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Harry Stebbings

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC) interviews the world's greatest venture capitalists with prior guests including Sequoia's Doug Leone and Benchmark's Bill Gurley. Once per week, 20VC Host, Harry Stebbings is also joined by one of the great founders of our time with prior founder episodes from Spotify's Daniel Ek, Linkedin's Reid Hoffman, and Snowflake's Frank Slootman. 

If you would like to see more of The Twenty Minute VC (20VC), head to www.20vc.com for more information on the podcast, show notes, resources and more.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch

Mike Mignano is a General Partner at Union Square Ventures, one of the most iconic venture firms in the world, whose investments include Coinbase, Stripe, Etsy, Twilio, Cloudflare. Before joining USV, Mike was a Partner at Lightspeed, where he backed breakout AI companies including Granola and Suno. Prior to investing, he co-founded Anchor, acquired by Spotify. 
 
AGENDA:
 
00:00 Is Fear of Failure the Secret Weapon Behind Great Founders?
 
07:20 Why Leave Lightspeed for USV — and Is Thesis-Driven Venture Still Alive?
 
09:50 Is the Real AI Money Still in Infrastructure, or Are Apps Finally About to Explode?
 
13:00 Who Wins the AI Model War: OpenAI, Anthropic, Open Source, or the "Rebel Alliance"?
 
19:00 Are We About to Hand Our Entire Lives Over to AI Agents?
 
21:00 Can Anthropic Keep Growing Like This — or Will Token Spend Break the Model?
 
26:00 Can AI Routing Become a $50BN Company, or Is It Just a Commodity Pipe?
 
30:00 Will the AI Energy Crisis Create the Next Monster Venture Outcomes?
 
36:00 Can Startups Survive Microsoft, OpenAI, and the Brutal Power of Bundling?
 
45:00 Should VCs Ignore Price When Backing Generational Companies?
 
55:30 Is Traditional Media Dead — and Who Becomes the New Tech Kingmaker?

20VC: Why Now is the Time for the Application Layer | Why OpenAI & Anthropic Won't Win the App Layer | Why Startups Should be TokenMaxxing | Why VCs Should Reduce Weighting on Price & Ownership in an Age of AI with Mike Mignano, USV

Clay Bavor is the Co-Founder of Sierra, one of the world's fastest-growing enterprise AI companies. Sierra is valued at approximately $15.8 billion, has raised more than $1.5BN from leading investors including Sequoia, Benchmark, Greenoaks, GV and Tiger Global, and today serves more than 40% of the Fortune 50. The company recently surpassed $150 ARR, making it one of the fastest-growing enterprise software businesses in history.
 
AGENDA:
 
00:00 – Why Frontier AI Demand Will Be Unlimited
 
08:00 – Open Models vs Frontier Models: Who Actually Wins?
 
17:00 – China's AI Advantage & The Distillation Debate
 
20:30 – Inside Sierra: The AI Agents Running the Entire Company
 
24:00 – The $100,000 Token Budget Every Engineer Will Soon Need
 
29:00 – Building AI for 40% of the Fortune 50
 
37:00 – Why Forward-Deployed Engineers Are the Future of Enterprise AI
 
43:00 – Sierra's Unusual Board Meetings & Billion-Dollar Company Playbook
 
48:00 – The Four Values Behind a $16B Startup: Craftsmanship, Intensity & Family
 
56:00 – Clay Bavor's Hiring Philosophy, AI-First Teams & What's Coming Next

20VC: Open Models vs Frontier Models: Who Actually Wins? | The $100,000 Token Budget Every Engineer Will Need | Why Forward-Deployed Engineers Are the Future of Enterprise AI with Clay Bavor, Co-Founder of Sierra

AGENDA:
 
00:00 Coinbase Slashes AI Spend 50%—Is the AI Token Bubble Bursting?
 
12:55 Anthropic Warns Open Source Could Destroy the AI Business Model
 
18:10 Dario Escalates the AI War with China & Open-Source
 
22:00 Should the US Ban Chinese AI Models?
 
33:15 Microsoft's AI Strategy Is Breaking Down
 
38:00 Kalshi's $40B Valuation Signals a New Consumer Gold Rush
 
41:15 Has SpaceX Frozen the AI IPO Market?
 
43:20 Why Bending Spoons May Be the Smartest IPO of the Year
 
46:00 The $100B Opportunity to Buy Broken SaaS Companies
 
53:30 Which Software Companies Would Jason Buy Tomorrow?
 
1:04:30 The Great AI Talent War Is About to Get Worse
 
1:11:20 Every Company Is Becoming an AI Company—or Dying

20VC: Dario and Anthropic Declare War on Open-Source | Coinbase Slash AI Spend by 50% | Kalshi's $40BN Valuation and Impending IPO | Bending Spoons: Smartest IPO of 2026 and the Year for SaaS Roll-Ups

KR Sridhar is the Founder and CEO of Bloom Energy, the distributed power company powering the AI revolution. Under his leadership, Bloom has grown to a market cap of approximately $93 billion, with revenue surpassing $2 billion as demand from AI data centres has surged. Over the last 12–18 months, Bloom has become one of the biggest beneficiaries of the AI infrastructure boom. It's also the largest position in Leo Aschenbrenner's investment portfolio, making up around 16% of his fund.
 
AGENDA:
 
00:00 Why Failure Is Never an Option: The Mindset That Built a $90B Company
 
05:20 The 25-Year Bet: Why Bloom Never Doubted AI Would Need Its Technology
 
12:10 Andy Grove's Brutal Leadership Lesson That Changed Everything
 
18:40 AI Isn't a Bubble—It's a "Hockey Stick on a Hockey Stick"
 
25:30 Why Electricity, Not AI Models, Will Decide the Winners of the AI Race
 
34:20 The Radical Vision: Why Power Must Move to the Edge of the Grid
 
40:40 How Bloom Beat Everyone to Power Oracle's AI Data Centres in Just 55 Days
 
50:00 The Future of Cities, Energy Sovereignty & Why AI Will Democratise Power
 
52:10 Parenting, Purpose & the One Belief KR Thinks Everyone Gets Wrong About AI
 
55:00 The Next 10 Years: Why AI Could Create Global Energy Abundance

20VC: Leo Aschenbrenner's Largest Holding: Inside the $90BN Bloom Energy | Why Electricity, Not AI Models, Will Decide the Winners of the AI Race | Why We Are Not in an AI Capex Bubble | Energy Sovereignty and The Future of Power with KR Sridhar

Paul Erlanger is the Co-Founder and CEO of FOMO, the social-first trading platform building the future of on-chain investing. Since founding the company in 2025, Paul has raised approximately $94 million, including a $17 million Series A led by Benchmark and a $75 million Series B led by Index Ventures with participation from USV, valuing the company at $550 million. Today, FOMO has grown to 600,000 users, processed over $4 billion in trading volume, and is adding thousands of new users every day—all with a team of just 17 people.
 
AGENDA: 
 
00:00 – Building a $550M Company with No Salaries, No Managers & No 1:1s
 
03:58 – Why Traditional Brokerages Will Lose in the Next 10 Years
 
09:30 – Why Robinhood's Strategy Is Wrong; The End of the Financial Super App? 
 
13:05 – "Markets Aren't a Casino" — The Case for Retail Investors Fighting Wall Street
 
16:45 – The Radical Hiring Bet: Giving Employees Founder-Level Equity
 
23:40 – AI Kills Org Charts: Why FOMO Will Stay Under 25 Employees
 
29:30 – Why Taste Beats AI & The Biggest Mistake Most Consumer Startups Make
 
33:10 – The Social Media Playbook That Every Startup Gets Wrong
 
39:20 – How Benchmark, Index & USV Won the Deal—and the VC Advice Founders Need to Hear
 
46:10 – The Future of Investing: Social Trading, Creator Economies & Financial Networks

20VC: How We Got Fred Wilson, Benchmark and Index to Invest $94M | Why Robinhood's Strategy is Wrong | Why 1-1s are BS and What Every Founder Gets Wrong About Equity | Why Taste Beats AI But How AI Kills Org Charts with Paul Erlanger, CEO @ fomo

AGENDA:
 
00:00 – Google Loses Two AI Legends as Anthropic Wins the Talent War
 
14:45 – China's $50B DeepSeek Bet Changes the AI Power Balance
 
27:15 – AI's Memory Crisis Has Begun — Apple Warns of a '100-Year Flood'
 
30:00 – Wall Street Finally Asks the $725 Billion Question: Who Pays for AI?
 
41:00 – We Built an AI Finance VP... and It's Better Than Humans
 
46:30 – The Death of Moats? Why Founders Should Stop Talking About Defensibility
 
58:30 – Databricks, ServiceNow & the New AI Software Winners
 
01:07:00 – The Seat-Based SaaS Model Is Dying
 
01:12:00 – OpenAI's Custom Models Could Rewrite Enterprise Software
 
01:17:00 – OpenAI's Biggest Threat Isn't Anthropic Anymore

20VC: Deepseek Raises $50BN | Wall St's $725BN AI Question | The Rise of Open Source & How it Threatens OpenAI & Anthropic | OpenAI Builds it's Own Chip: Jalapeno | The Death of Moats & The New AI Software Winners

Nikesh Arora is the Chairman and CEO of Palo Alto Networks, the global cybersecurity leader. Since taking over in 2018, he has transformed the company from an $18 billion market cap business into one worth more than $225BN with more than 21,000 employees globally. Previously, Nikesh was President and COO of SoftBank, where he worked alongside Masayoshi Son and helped shape the firm's technology investment strategy. 
 
AGENDA:
 
00:00 Why AI Token Prices Will Fall 90% — And Why That's Bullish for AI
 
07:40 The Frontier Model Problem: Breadth vs Depth in AI
 
11:30 Most Enterprises Are Using AI Completely Wrong
 
13:10 Why AI Could Cut Marketing, HR & Finance Teams in Half
 
16:00 AI Applications Will Have Opinions — SaaS Never Did
 
20:00 OpenAI, Anthropic & The Most Important Valuation Question in Tech
 
24:00 The Real Business Model of AI: Transaction Revenue Beats Advertising
 
25:10 Why Token Prices Must Collapse
 
28:20 Where Value Actually Accrues in AI: Models, Memory or Apps?
 
29:00 Why Memory Becomes the Biggest Moat in AI
 
32:00 Why Every Enterprise Should Be Scared Right Now
 
33:15 Should Governments Regulate Frontier AI Models?
 
37:10 Why Brian Armstrong's AI-First Playbook Doesn't Work Everywhere
 
40:00 The Biggest AI Mistake CEOs Are Making Today
 
42:00 How Nikesh Creates Darwinian Competition Inside Palo Alto
 
43:00 Do AI Companies Really Need Forward-Deployed Engineers?
 
45:00 Why Enterprise AI Products Still Aren't Ready
 
52:00 Systems of Record vs Systems of Intelligence: The Future of Software
 
54:00 Why AI Applications Will Replace Traditional SaaS Workflows
 
58:00 What Nikesh Learned From Google That Still Matters Today
 
1:04:00 From $200 and Two Suitcases to Running a $225B Company
 
1:10:00 Happiness, Gratitude and Why Tomorrow Matters More Than Ten Years From Now

20VC: Nikesh Arora on the Frontier Model Problem: Breadth vs Depth | The Future of Token Costs | Memory Becoming the Moat | Where Value Accrues: Infra, Models, or Apps? | Why Enterprise AI is Not Ready & Systems of Record vs Systems of Intelligence

Ryan Peterson is the Founder & CEO @ Flexport, the logistics darling of the venture capital world that has raised $900M+ with the last round valuing the company at $8BN. Today, the company does $450M in revenue growing 30% YoY. 
 
AGENDA: 
 
00:00 — Why Does Ryan Petersen Call Remote Work "White Collar Fraud"?
 
08:30 — Does Having More Money Actually Make You a Better Founder?
 
11:40 — When Will Flexport IPO? What Price Would It Go Out At?
 
19:00 — Can AI Actually Automate Entire Companies or Is the Productivity Boom Overhyped?
 
22:00 — Which Jobs Will Exist in 5 Years That Don't Exist Today?
 
26:00 — OpenAI vs Anthropic: If Ryan Could Only Own One, Which Would He Buy?
 
27:45 — Are Chinese Open-Source Models a National Security Threat—or Is Silicon Valley Overreacting?
 
30:15 — The $500M Fundraising Mistake Ryan Wishes He Never Made
 
35:00 — Why Flexport Abandoned San Francisco & Remote Work Damaged Flexport's Culture
 
41:00 — Why Marketing Is the Hardest Executive Hire in Startups
 
43:00 — Do Great CEOs Hate HR?
 
46:00 — Why Most Startup Founders Hire Executives Too Early
 
48:00 — What Ryan Learned Investing Alongside the Greatest YC Founders
 
55:00 — The Single Biggest Mistake Founders Make When Fundraising
 
1:09:00 — Does Founder Brand Actually Drive Enterprise Value?
 
1:11:00 — What Makes a Great Board Member—and Why Most Boards Add Negative Value
 
1:13:00 — The Sports Team Ryan Dreams of Buying Just to Troll His Biggest Competitor

20VC: Why Remote Work is White Collar Fraud | Why Revenge and Patriotism are the Best Founder Traits | Two Questions Every Founder Needs to Ask | The Wild Story of Raising $1BN from Masa Son in an Hour Long Meeting with Ryan Peterson, Founder @ Flexport

AGENDA:
 
 • 00:00 — SpaceX Completes the Largest IPO in History
 • 03:45 — Elon Musk Adds a Warren Buffett Fortune in 24 Hours
 • 20:45 — Anthropic's Claude Fable Launches Monday, Gets Banned by Thursday
 • 25:00 — Washington Declares War on Frontier AI
 • 39:00 — Europe's Sovereign AI Push Accelerates as Mistral Targets $20B
 • 43:30 — Benchmark Admits Its Biggest Miss: Passing on the Model Labs
 • 45:15 — Salesforce Buys Fin for $3.6B and Rewrites the SaaS Survival Playbook
 • 1:02:00 — Adobe Beats, Raises, and Still Crashes as AI Fears Intensify
 • 1:06:30 — Why Every Legacy SaaS Company Is Trapped in an AI Death Spiral
 • 1:10:00 — The AI Acquisition Window Has Officially Closed
 • 1:13:00 — Nvidia at 16x Earnings vs SaaS at 8x Cash Flow: Where Should Investors Be?
 • 1:17:00 — The Great Rotation: Why Wall Street Is Abandoning Software for AI Infrastructure

20VC: SpaceX Soars to $2.7TRN | Anthropic's Fable Banned by US Government | Wix and Adobe Hit All-Time Lows | Mistral Raising at $20BN and The Case for Sovereign Models | Fin Acquired by Salesforce for $3.6BN

Aravind Srinivas is the Founder and CEO of Perplexity, one of the fastest-growing AI companies in the world. Since the start of the year, Perplexity has tripled revenue to well over $500M in ARR. Aravind has raised over $1BN for the company with reported valuations reaching $20BN. 
 
AGENDA: 
 
05:40 – "Perplexity Changed Google More Than Any PM Ever Has"
 
10:15 – Why Search Is Not the Future of AI
 
13:05 – The Most Important Insight in AI: The Model Is NOT The Product
 
16:10 – Why AI Agents Will Become Bigger Than Google Search
 
22:00 – AI Will Design Chips, Discover Drugs & Cure Diseases
 
24:15 – The Secret to Building a 24/7 AI Agent
 
32:40 – Aravind's Wild Prediction: Micron Could Become More Valuable Than Meta
 
41:00 – Why Power Will Be The Biggest Bottleneck In AI For The Next Decade
 
45:00 – Have U.S. Export Controls Accidentally Made China Stronger?
 
49:00 – Why Dario Amodei's AI Doom Narrative Is Wrong
 
55:20 – Why Token Budgets are Total BS and Useless
 
58:00 – When Agent Traffic Surpasses Human Traffic, What Happens To The Internet?
 
01:08:00 – SpaceX, OpenAI & Anthropic IPOs: Is There Enough Capital For All Three?
 
01:14:00 – What Elon Musk Is Really Like Behind Closed Doors

20VC: Micron Will Be More Valuable Than Meta | How Export Controls Helped Not Hurt China | Power is the Bottleneck to AI | Why Dario Has Done a Disservice to AI with his Labour Replacement Messaging with Aravind Srinivas, Founder @ Perplexity

Roman Chernin is Co-Founder and Chief Business Officer of Nebius, one of the fastest-growing AI infrastructure companies in the world. Today, Nebius operates some of the largest AI compute clusters globally and serves leading AI labs, enterprises, and developers. Today, Nebius has a market cap of $57BN. 
 
AGENDA: 
 
00:00 — Why AI Infrastructure Is Not a Bubble
 
05:00 — The Real Impact of Open Source on OpenAI & Anthropic
 
11:00 — Jevons Paradox: Why Cheaper AI Creates More Demand
 
13:00 — The Four Layers of AI Infrastructure Explained
 
19:00 — If Nebius Had 10x More Capacity Tomorrow
 
26:00 — The Shift from Training to Inference and Agents
 
31:00 — How Token Factory Cuts AI Costs by 70%
 
44:00 — Sovereign AI, Europe, and the Future of Model Building
 
49:00 — Competing Against Hyperscalers with 10x More Capital
 
59:00 — The Biggest Threat to Nebius Isn't Competition—It's Consolidation

The Twenty Minute VC

20VC: Nebius Co-Founder on AI Infrastructure Bubbles | The Real Impact of Open Source on OpenAI & Anthropic | How Price Elastic is Demand for Compute | Could Nebius Sell 10x More Compute If They Had It & more with Roman Chernin

20VC: Nebius Co-Founder on AI Infrastructure Bubbles | The Real Impact of Open Source on OpenAI & Anthropic | How Price Elastic is Demand for Compute | Could Nebius Sell 10x More Compute If They Had It & more with Roman Chernin

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