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Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin), these two won’t just tell you what’s happening—they’ll tell you why you’re probably doing it wrong. Buckle up, buttercup.

The Chad & Cheese Podcast

Get ready for a jam-packed episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast as hosts Joel Cheesman, Chad Sowash, and Emi B serve up their trademark mix of industry news, corporate earnings, and unfiltered banter. 

The episode kicks off with personal updates and shout-outs, covering everything from Chad’s slippery "Charlie Brown" beach wipeout in Portugal to a Harvard report on workplace outcomes, the rise of late-night interviews for night owls.

As the episode shifts into corporate strategy, the hosts put the latest financial filings and major market moves under the microscope. You will hear them break down the Q2 earnings, cost-cutting strategies, and future outlooks for ZipRecruiter, Recruit Holdings, and Indeed. 

The team then brings back their signature "Buy or Sell" segment to grade recent consolidation in the space, evaluating MetaView’s acquisition of Reval (and its autonomous coworker "fillmore"), CareerMinds picking up Jobrapido, and the big transition of a long-time leader at LinkUp. 

Finally, the episode tackles the serious side of hiring tech with a look at global regulatory compliance and vendor transparency involving Maki People, Mochi AI Assessments and Recruitics, before winding down with a nostalgic debate over the unexpected relaunch of MySpace. 

To find out who gets a "Buy," who gets a "Sell," and exactly why the hosts are skeptical of the latest AI trends, you will have to tune in to the full episode.

ZipRecruiter Financial Gymnastics

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment.

Shredded: ZipRecruiter, Recruit Holdings, Upwork, Dice, Spark Hire, Careerminds, & Jobrapido

Ageism is out in the open, AI is masking mass corporate cost-cutting, and 1 in 3 job postings might be completely fake. In this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, 20-year HR executive Cassell Kaye from The Reframed Collective pulls back the curtain on a brutal modern job market. 

Drawing on her leadership experience at tech and entertainment giants like Disney, Yahoo, and Amazon, she exposes the calculated corporate math pushing older workers out, explaining why companies now treat discrimination lawsuits as just another line-item cost of doing business.

Cassell also deconstructs the current tech hype, framing AI not as a revolutionary replacement for human workers, but as a convenient smokescreen for aggressive corporate cost-cutting and margin protection. 

She highlights how automated tracking systems scale existing biases at an unprecedented rate, creating a virtual trap for applicants where even opting out for a "human review" simply results in a resume disappearing into an ignored pile. 

Finally, the episode tackles the rise of the "ghost job" phenomenon, explaining the strategic corporate reasons behind the massive 2-million job gap between reported openings and actual hires. If you want to understand how the hiring game is truly rigged and how to navigate a system missing its old safety nets, you cannot miss this candid conversation.

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction to Cassell and her background

01:56 - Cassell discusses ageism and workforce bias

04:08 - Impact of AI on layoffs and employment practices

05:54 - Legal risks and the role of government regulation

08:10 - The future of AI and its influence on workforce demographics

10:06 - Advice for workers over 50 facing layoffs

11:57 - The problem with ghost jobs and transparency

13:57 - The role of vendors and bias in AI systems

16:06 - Government actions and the regulation landscape

18:01 - The impact of AI on hiring processes and bias

20:00 - The political and legal challenges in regulating AI

22:07 - The lagging indicators in employment data

24:04 - The real state of the job market and ghost jobs

25:59 - The influence of corporate signaling and investor perceptions

28:03 - Automation, AI, and the future of talent acquisition

29:47 - The role of government and legal actions in employment law

31:57 - Final thoughts and where to follow Cassell

Links

https://www.youtube.com/@cassellkaye

https://www.linkedin.com/in/cassell/

https://www.tiktok.com/@the.reframed.collective

https://www.instagram.com/thereframedcollective/

Ageism, Algo-Bias, and Corp Naughtiness w/ Cassell Kaye

The latest episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast with Emi and Lieven is officially live, and it is a certified must-watch. In this episode, the crew dives straight into a massive legal showdown brewing in the tech world, breaking down the explosive trade secret drama between Rippling and Runlayer. 

They also discuss a massive $50M acquisition move by Deel involving Clarity to fight a terrifying new trend in hiring, begging the question: is big tech done buying smaller tools for good?

The conversation takes a sharp turn into the ultimate AI casualties, analyzing how one freelance giant’s stock has cratered a staggering 94% since ChatGPT entered the chat. The team breaks down the absolute collapse of Fiverr and discusses why their desperate pivot to save the platform might already be too late. 

Meanwhile, they expose why AI adoption has completely stalled across Europe, how companies are fighting weak data foundations, and the massive compliance hurdles that are about to change the landscape for international employers.Finally, the bots are officially taking over, and the major job platforms are panicking. 

he hosts talk about how LinkedIn just quietly rolled out a brand-new button to fight the wave of artificial content taking over your feed, while Indeed was forced to hit the emergency brakes on their aggressive new automation feature after severe user backlash. 

Want to know what the crew really thinks about these massive shifts? Tune in to the full episode now on your favorite podcast platform or watch it on YouTube!

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction and Episode Overview

01:14 - European Culture and Vacation Trends

03:26 - Review of the Odyssey Movie

04:45 - Discussion on AI in Entertainment and Media

07:14 - Controversies in FIFA and Sports Politics

09:18 - Belgian Football and World Cup Highlights

11:21 - Deep Fake Detection and HR Security

18:41 - Rippling and Deal Legal Drama

29:39 - Fiverr and AI Displacement of Freelance Work

38:33 - European AI Adoption and Cultural Barriers

49:32 - LinkedIn and Indeed AI Content and Automation

52:48 - Future of AI Regulation and Ethical Concerns

Indeed Pauses, Fiverr Falls & Rippling Ransacks

Shredded: Foundational, LinkedIn, Buildforce, Deel, Clarity, Runlayer, Rippling, & More

In this episode, HR veteran Jolene Hostal joins Joel and Chad to discuss how a legacy brand like Stanley Steemer stays "young and vibrant" in a competitive labor market. Managing high-volume hiring for thousands of technicians across 57 corporate locations, Jolene breaks down how modern tech integrations, fast candidate screening, and a strong culture drive their talent acquisition strategy.

 Mobile-First High-Volume Hiring: Because candidates for cleaning technician roles are constantly on the move, Stanley Steemer uses Paradox’s chatbot ("Maria") to let applicants apply in 90 seconds or less.

 Open Architecture Tech Stack: Jolene explains choosing Dayforce as their HCM due to its strong API connections, allowing seamless integration with Paradox and background check partners like First Advantage.

 The "90-Day" Retention Milestone: Highlighting the physical demands of technician roles, Jolene notes that if a technician stays for 90 days, they almost always stay for a full year.

 Career Progression from the Trucks: The company boasts strong internal mobility—73% of company managers started out as service technicians, proving that entry-level roles can lead to long-term career paths.

 Keeping the Remote Workforce Connected: Field technicians receive job dispatches, safety updates, and communication through in-van tablets and driver safety monitoring systems.

90 Days Hired, They Stay a Year w/ Jolene Hostal

Is LinkedIn turning into a bot-ridden wasteland? Is Google actively blowing up its own revenue model? And are AI agents already plotting their escape from human containment? 

The crew is back together, hot out of the chamber, to slice through corporate PR and tackle the messiest stories in tech and workplace culture. From outrageous ageism in the C-suite to the high-stakes risk of unchecked AI, Chad, JT, and Mo are serving up the unfettered truth with zero filters. 

 Surveillance, Smoke, & Creepy Ray-Bans

 The $600K Employee Influencer Win

 Lattice CEO’s "Calcified" Slip-Up

"Just because you can doesn't mean you should, is my theme for 2026 on this pod... You don't replace judgment and have AI do it." — JT O'Donnell

 LinkedIn: Sexy Bots & The King of Slop

 The Nano-Influencer Arbitrage. 

 Google Search Enters Its Zero-Click Era

 Autonomous Bots & The AI Singularity

"I'm going to tell you right now, if you're at a party and you're not at least asking Charney for his vape pen, you're wrong. Charney brings the best weed." — Chad Sowash

 

Enjoy!

LinkedIn Sloppin, Google's No Click AI Poppin', and OpenAI's Jail Breakin'

Shredded: Kforce, Indeed, OpenAI, ZipRecruiter, Skello, Fiverr, & More

On this week's The Chad & Cheese Podcast interview episode, Joel and Chad sit down with Kristy McCann founder, former CEO of Skill Cycle, and overall HR force of nature who proves the ultimate golden rule: Do NOT mess with HR.

Ever wondered what a founder’s absolute worst nightmare looks like? Picture this: You bootstrap your HR tech startup, navigate COVID without losing your shirt, grow fourfold, and then win an "Opportunity Fund" competition. Sounds great, right? Except the folks writing the checks didn't just want a seat at the table they wanted to lock you out of the house, revalue your $30 million company down to $8 million, and suggest you replace your human coaching marketplace with an AI bot. 

In this wildly candid episode, Kristy spills all the tea (and Burger King) on:

 The Georgia Ambush

 VC Playbooks & "Pay-to-Play"

 RICO & Receipts

It’s a cautionary tale full of red flags, "bipolar 5.5-sense" gut instincts, and a Masterclass in why discovery in a courtroom is a VC's absolute worst enemy. 

"You wanna fuck with me? Fine. Let's bring it out into a courtroom."

— Kristy McCann

 

Grab your popcorn, founders you’re going to want to take notes on this one.

Startup Nightmares w/ Kristy McCann

Chad – Welcome to the last installment of this three-part Chad & Cheese iCIMS iNFLUENCE 2018 Series. In mid-Oct when Joel and I flew to NJ and landed at iCIMS HQ we really didn’t know what to expect. What we got was an event where Colin Day, iCIMS CEO and Chairman of the Board along with other iCIMS leaders shared their common vision for more than just iCIMS. It was an vision for the industry and how iCIMS was going to take the lead in reinventing it.
 We’re starting out this final episode with the sweetest sound to Colin Day’s ears.
 Colin – Well guess what, GDPR comes along it’s the sweetest thing we’ve ever heard. I know it’s annoyance for some or whatvere, but it needed to happen. So all of the sudden GDPR gets launched, candidates actually have rights, they should know what you’re storing on them. They should be able to edit it, archive it, delete it, update their preferences. And that quieted these boards down a little bit.
 Colin – Even better, this thing called Cambridge Analytica happens, and that really begins to quiet down the boards. Now they aren’t going to remain quiet forver because their whole business model is in jeopardy if they don’t get the (hiring) signal data. Our viewpoint is, we have the opportunity to not ony go to GDPR but to take it even further. We want to be the moral compass for data security and privacy in our industry. We really really do.
 Colin – So we’re creating something call PASSPORT, and Passport some of it you’ve heard before. This is kind of the create a single passport, single click apply. Make it dead easy. So for the customer the benefit will be candidate experience. The candidate will come in – if they haven’t created an iCIMS Passport – they can create one. If they’ve already created one we’re talking single click apply in to other companies. While they’re in their passport they have their data rights. We can show them everyone (organizations) they’ve applied to, what’s going on. They can say I’m okay sharing some of that (data) with LinkedIn or I’m fine if you send that over to background check. They can get a history and because we have a modern communications platform they can say how they want to be communicated with “Stop texting me”, “Stop emailing me” full their rights.
 Chad – (Laughing) Remember JobFox, AllianceQ and even Taleo tried a Universal resume, but none of these efforts had the hammer of compliance and regulation not to mention the nasty stench of Cambridge Analytica to drive their efforts. iCIMS has found the perfect time to focus on creating a universal system predicated on protecting THE CANDIDATE.
 But how will the candidate PASSPORT play bring it all together?
 Colin – This is true end-to-end recruiting. This is why I’m so excited about the future. We’ve never been there. You know we’ve been the ATS but we’ve been reliant on “What is Google doing?”, “What are the boards doing?” or “What are the third-party sites doing?”. This is the first time we can say we’re gonna go in, full bore end-to-end. So we talk about, we will be right there when you post your jobs. We don’t want third-parties. We want to be right in there posting the jobs. We want to be right there when Google hands-off the traffic to your career site or you get it with programmatic advertising with a next generation of career portal. We want to be right there when the candidate applies. Hopefully they’ve built their passport already. If not, very easy to build a passport and we’ll show them everything they’ve ever applied to, all their data. When they update that data now you’re going to see the power of the marketplace. We can be that, not only through all of our products, but through the entire industry.
 Chad – But the Enterprise Talent Management System buy is tdieous and time consuming at best. You’ll have to wait years until some companies are even ready to talk about this new integrated end-to-end system. In the meantime, how will iCIMS get their foot in the door and penetrate the market? aka drive new revenues?
 Colin – How important is it to have these foot-in-the-door products? That when you walk into any unique customer you can say we can get you on our entire tech stack, starting with the ATS. Wonderful. If we can’t, let’s get you with the CRM, if we can’t let’s get you with our new Offer module, which we are going to building as portable as well. Let’s get you with TextRecruit and you’ll see some other things that we’re coming out with…
 Chad – There it is… Most Enterprise systems aren’t complete at all, so iCIMS new modular product design will allow them to target competitors weaknesses and attack with a smile. Knowing this you can imagine iCIMS sinking further into client relationships where their probability of winning the full Enterprise buy down the road increases dramatically.
 Chad – So that’s it kids… In this series we’ve heard how iCIMS is Working with Google Talent Solutions, creating a slow lane for job boards as iCIMS speeds by, getting rid of the user experience middlemen, embracing GDPR and attacking the market holistically and in chunks.
 If you missed any of these episodes, or just want a quick review — You can find the entire iCIMS iNFLUENCE 2018 3 part series at chadcheese.com…

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