In this thought-provoking episode, repeat guests of MOZ Hannah and Steve (both anonymous) return to debate the controversy surrounding Tucker Carlson's Martyr Made interview with historian Daryl Cooper about World War II.

They critically examine Cooper's contentious views on Churchill and Hitler, discussing the dangers of historical revisionism from both the left and the right and its impact on modern political discourse.

The conversation explores the fine line between challenging historical narratives and engaging in counterproductive provocation, touching on issues of antisemitism, the political alignment of Jewish Americans, and the broader implications for right-wing politics. —

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— TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) Intro (00:09) Setting the stage for the Tucker Carlson interview controversy (01:10) The core of the controversy: Revisiting World War II narratives (03:00) Holocaust denial vs. edgy revisionism: Analyzing the interview's approach (06:00) The dangers of "transgressive" historical revisionism (10:40) Debunking myths vs. promoting harmful narratives (18:40) Fact-checking Daryl Cooper's claims about World War II (25:10) Sponsor break: WorkOS | Squad (33:30) The broader context: Antisemitism and political discourse (41:30) Examining the political implications for Jewish voters (49:20) The psychology of hate in political movements (57:10) Constructive alternatives to controversial historical revisionism (1:05:00) The self-fulfilling prophecy of antisemitism accusations (1:08:35) Conclusion: Putting the controversy in perspective