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Best friends Joel and Matt are the co-hosts of How to Money which is all about providing the knowledge & tools that normal folks need to thrive in areas like debt payoff, DIY investing, and crucial money tricks that will provide continuous help along your journey. We believe that access to unbiased and jargon-free personal finance guidance is more necessary than ever before. When you handle your money in a purposeful, thoughtful way that works for your lifestyle, you can really start living a rich life.

How to Money

We all get the same 24 hours – but it sure doesn’t always feel that way, does it? Why is it that some people seem to have time for hobbies, meaningful conversations, even a slow cup of coffee, while others are just trying to survive the day on repeat? Today, we’re breaking down what it really takes to build a life that feels enjoyable, sustainable, and manageable… not rushed and reactive. And a crucial part of that equation are smart money decisions and intentional choices about how we spend our time. Our friend Andy Hill is here to share his wisdom. Andy runs Marriage, Kids & Money, and he’s the real deal – someone who has put in the work and built a life guided by values, freedom, and family. Everything he shares today comes from experience, not theory. Some of the topics we get to:
 
 • Best reason every for tracking and budgeting
 • Importance of effective communication with a partner
 • Cutting expenses shouldn't mean depriving yourself of joy
 • The debt hatred method focuses on paying off emotionally burdensome debts first
 • Transitioning to solopreneurship can provide more control over your time
 • Experimenting with work-life balance can lead to a more fulfilling life
 • What “FU” money affords you
 • Life is for living, not just saving for the future
 • And plenty more!
 
 
 
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Own Your Time • is the book, and 
Marriage, Kids, and Money • is the podcast.
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 Other money nerds: • Find a thriving community of fellow money nerds by joining the 
HTM Facebook group! Newsletter: • Sign up for the weekly 
HTM newsletter • . It’s fun, free, & practical.
 Money Gears: • knowing 
what to do with your money • is crucial to your personal finance journey.
 MG7: • and maybe you’re well on your way to financial independence but you’re looking for some financial reassurance, that’s when heading over to 
HowToMoney.com/Advisor • and getting matched with a highly vetted financial advisor makes sense.
 
 
 
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Own Your Time: Build a Life You Control w/ Andy Hill #1088

We’re kicking off the week by answering your listener questions! And if you have a question that you’d like for us to answer on the show, we’d love for you to submit your own via HowToMoney.com/ask , send us your voice memo. Regardless of how random or bizarre you might think it is, we want to hear it!
 
 
 
1 - Camper purchase: should I use my HELOC to replenish my emergency fund that we used to buy a used camper?
 
2 - Baby wealth: what accounts do I prioritize for my twins future and how should I be thinking about generational wealth?
 
3 - Expensive gyms: is it frugal or cheap to not tell my gym that I’m still paying the old rates?
 
4 - Apartment hunting: how should I approach the conversation with my landlord about breaking my lease due to our growing family?
 
5 - Crypto: is it a good idea to invest in individual stocks and crypto if they’re already represented in my portfolio via an index?
 
 
 
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 Money Gears: • knowing 
what to do with your money • is crucial to your personal finance journey.
 MG7: • and maybe you’re well on your way to financial independence but you’re looking for some financial reassurance, that’s when heading over to 
HowToMoney.com/Advisor • and getting matched with a highly vetted financial advisor makes sense.
 
 
 
During this episode we enjoyed a Dulce Muerte by Incendiary Brewing - a huge thanks to Brandon for donating this one to the show! And please help us to spread the word by letting friends and family know about How to Money! Hit the share button, subscribe if you’re not already a regular listener, and give us a quick review in Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Help us to change the conversation around personal finance and get more people doing smart things with their money!
 
 
 
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Ask HTM - Gym Edition Frugal or Cheap, Blaming the Baby for Lifestyle Upgrades, and Dipping into Savings for a Camper #1087

Time for a Friday Flight- our little sampling of the week’s best financial news and what it means for your personal finances. There are a lot of headlines out there, but we boil them down to specific takeaways that will allow you to kick off the weekend informed and help you to get ahead with your money. In this episode we explain some relevant and helpful stories like:
 
 World Cup ticket prices Retailers charging for returns Return rabbits Garnished wages on the way Education Department loan simulator Easily compare college costs Double majoring Nihilistic renters Shopping your mortgage No corporate landlords Timeshares, so hot right now Overdraft fees rising 
 
 
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HTM Facebook group! Newsletter: • Sign up for the weekly 
HTM newsletter • . It’s fun, free, & practical.
 Money Gears: • knowing 
what to do with your money • is crucial to your personal finance journey.
 MG7: • and maybe you’re well on your way to financial independence but you’re looking for some financial reassurance, that’s when heading over to 
HowToMoney.com/Advisor • and getting matched with a highly vetted financial advisor makes sense.
 
 
 
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Friday Flight - Return Rabbits, Double Majoring, and Nihilistic Renters #1086

“The quality of your life pretty much exists outside of the realm of money.” That’s a quote from today’s guest and we’re going to spend a good amount of time talking about everything BUT money! Personal finance and handling your money effectively is important of course, but don’t confuse the means to the end, with the end itself. Money is simply a tool, and like the adage about dying with ‘the most toys,’ it’s easy to see how taking the approach of maximizing your wealth accumulation would leave you wanting. Vicki Robin is all about helping folks change their relationship to money. She unknowingly sparked the FIRE movement back in 1992 with her co-author Joe Domniguez when they released the book Your Money or Your Life. We discuss of number of topics in this episode including: 
 
 • How money is a tool, but not the only one
 • Consciousness in spending can lower consumption
 • Community relationships are essential for support
 • Aging can bring new opportunities and perspectives
 • Consumer culture often breaks community bonds
 • Financial independence should include a sense of service
 • The ‘backpressure’ cause by the fear of death
 • And much more!
 
 
 
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 Vicki: • read her latest writings over on Substack, 
Coming of Aging • . And the book that started it all, 
Your Money or Your Life • .
 Credit card perks: • Check out 
our favorite credit cards • that we use to maximize rewards and optimize our spending.
 Other money nerds: • Find a thriving community of fellow money nerds by joining the 
HTM Facebook group! Newsletter: • Sign up for the weekly 
HTM newsletter • . It’s fun, free, & practical.
 Money Gears: • knowing 
what to do with your money • is crucial to your personal finance journey.
 MG7: • and maybe you’re well on your way to financial independence but you’re looking for some financial reassurance, that’s when heading over to 
HowToMoney.com/Advisor • and getting matched with a highly vetted financial advisor makes sense.
 
 
 
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Spending Life Wisely: Vicki Robin on Money, Meaning, and Time #1085

New year, new outlook, and a fresh strategy for your wallet. Welcome to 2026!
 
 
 
In this episode, we’re setting the table for the year ahead. After the unique challenges and "did that really just happen?" moments of 2025, it’s time to stop reacting and start orchestrating your own financial future. We’re stripping away the jargon to talk about what actually matters: building wealth slowly, steadily, and with a craft-beer-level appreciation for the process. To give you a taste of what we’re diving into:
 
 
 
 The Money Gears: • We’re walking through the specific steps to take your finances from "survival mode" to "total optionality." From why exactly you need $3,045 in the bank to the moment you can finally start crushing some Money Gear 7 goals.
 Frugality vs. Deprivation: • Why "living small" is actually the secret to living large, and how to make the shift from having to save to wanting to save.
 The K-Shaped Reality: • We discuss why the "average" economy doesn't exist and how a bare bones budget is going to help keep you afloat.
 • Our own personal goals for the year, and more!
 
 
 
Whether you’re looking to get your time back, ditch the paycheck-to-paycheck cycle, or finally understand where your money is actually going, this episode is your roadmap for the new year.
 
 
 
Want more How To Money in your life? Here are some additional ways to get ahead with your personal finances:
 
 Credit card perks: • Check out 
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 Other money nerds: • Find a thriving community of fellow money nerds by joining the 
HTM Facebook group! Newsletter: • Sign up for the weekly 
HTM newsletter • . It’s fun, free, & practical.
 Money Gears: • knowing 
what to do with your money • is crucial to your personal finance journey.
 MG7: • and maybe you’re well on your way to financial independence but you’re looking for some financial reassurance, that’s when heading over to 
HowToMoney.com/Advisor • and getting matched with a highly vetted financial advisor makes sense.
 
 
 
During this episode we enjoyed an If Only To Be Thoughtless Once More by Burial! And please help us to spread the word by letting friends and family know about How to Money! Hit the share button, subscribe if you’re not already a regular listener, and give us a quick review in Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Help us to change the conversation around personal finance and get more people doing smart things with their money!
 
 
 
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Your Smart Money Guide for 2026 #1084

Think back to the last time you lost power at your place. I’m sure it was an inconvenience- it was likely annoying to find yourself walking into a room and reflexively reaching for the light switch, even though the power was out. But the real problem with an outage are the downstream effects it has: food in the fridge spoils, traffic is a nightmare if the stoplights are out, folks even die due to extreme heat or cold. We’re less worried about a power outage and more worried about the mayhem that ensues. And in a similar way we’re less worried about silly credit scores and more worried about the negative impact that a crappy score can have on much of your personal finances. Listen as we discuss our stance on taking out loans, the high cost of neglecting your credit, and steps that you can immediately take in order to mitigate the knock-on effects of crappy credit.
 
 
 
Want more How To Money in your life? Here are some additional ways to get ahead with your personal finances:
 
 Credit card perks: • Check out 
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 Other money nerds: • Find a thriving community of fellow money nerds by joining the 
HTM Facebook group! Newsletter: • Sign up for the weekly 
HTM newsletter • . It’s fun, free, & practical.
 Money Gears: • knowing 
what to do with your money • is crucial to your personal finance journey.
 MG7: • and maybe you’re well on your way to financial independence but you’re looking for some financial reassurance, that’s when heading over to 
HowToMoney.com/Advisor • and getting matched with a highly vetted financial advisor makes sense.
 
 
 
During this episode we enjoyed a Grapefruit Radler by Halfway Crooks Beer! And please help us to spread the word by letting friends and family know about How to Money! Hit the share button, subscribe if you’re not already a regular listener, and give us a quick review in Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Help us to change the conversation around personal finance and get more people doing smart things with their money!
 
 
 
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The High Cost of Crappy Credit (Bestie Ep) #1083

Time is easily our most precious resource, but rarely do we pay much attention to what it is that we’re going to spend our minutes and hours, which inevitably turn into weeks and years. And if you completely fail to do this, you end up as the proverbial careerist, looking back at the wasted decades, wishing you would’ve done something differently. And our guest today, Ben Miller, actually did shake things up- he traded a position on Wall Street with Goldman Sachs for a fulfilling life out in Colorado. He chose meaning over money, and he’s on a quest to help others to discover what a fulfilling life is for them with the app he’s developed: ChroniFI. We discuss nerdy board games, what caused Ben to make the pivot out west, finding work/life balance as an entrepreneur, why earning a ton of money is only one half of the equation, how to figure out what to spend your money on, determining whether to spend on ‘convenience’, and plenty more!
 
 
 
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 ChroniFi - • See how your current purchases impact your future retirement! Ben's app links your time and your money, boiling it down to the steps you need to take in order to achieve financial freedom. And be sure to use our 
ChroniFi.com/HowToMoney • link to get 25% off!
 Credit card perks: • Check out 
our favorite credit cards • that we use to maximize rewards and optimize our spending.
 Other money nerds: • Find a thriving community of fellow money nerds by joining the 
HTM Facebook group! Newsletter: • Sign up for the weekly 
HTM newsletter • . It’s fun, free, & practical.
 Money Gears: • knowing 
what to do with your money • is crucial to your personal finance journey.
 MG7: • and maybe you’re well on your way to financial independence but you’re looking for some financial reassurance, that’s when heading over to 
HowToMoney.com/Advisor • and getting matched with a highly vetted financial advisor makes sense.
 
 
 
During this episode we enjoyed a Apri-Guav Tastee by The Veil! And please help us to spread the word by letting friends and family know about How to Money! Hit the share button, subscribe if you’re not already a regular listener, and give us a quick review in Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Help us to change the conversation around personal finance and get more people doing smart things with their money!
 
 
 
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Time > Money w/ Ben Miller (Bestie Ep) #1082

We’re kicking off the week by answering your listener questions! And if you have a question that you’d like for us to answer on the show, we’d love for you to submit your own via HowToMoney.com/ask , send us your voice memo. Regardless of how random or bizarre you might think it is, we want to hear it!
 
 
 
1 - Home sale: should I sell my house to an iBuyer?
 
2 - Life insurance: is my work provided life insurance enough or should I go ahead and get an affordable policy while I’m young?
 
3 - Retirement: my 401k has a ‘true-up’ feature but does investing just once, at the end of the year, stymie compounding returns?
 
4 - Investment property: does it make sense to build a brand new house and then rent it out as an investment property?
 
5 - Pod talk: how can I grow my podcast- how did y’all grow your podcast audience?!
 
 
 
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 Other money nerds: • Find a thriving community of fellow money nerds by joining the 
HTM Facebook group! Newsletter: • Sign up for the weekly 
HTM newsletter • . It’s fun, free, & practical.
 Money Gears: • knowing 
what to do with your money • is crucial to your personal finance journey.
 MG7: • and maybe you’re well on your way to financial independence but you’re looking for some financial reassurance, that’s when heading over to 
HowToMoney.com/Advisor • and getting matched with a highly vetted financial advisor makes sense.
 
 
 
During this episode we enjoyed a Chubby Unicorn by Common Space! And please help us to spread the word by letting friends and family know about How to Money! Hit the share button, subscribe if you’re not already a regular listener, and give us a quick review in Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Help us to change the conversation around personal finance and get more people doing smart things with their money!
 
 
 
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Ask HTM - Work Provided Life Insurance, Compounding Returns with a 401k True-Up, & Selling a Home to an iBuyer (Bestie Ep) #1081

A big thanks to our friend Joe Saul-Sehy for inviting us to join an episode of Stacking Benjamins – we had a blast, and we think you'll enjoy this convo as well!
 
 
 
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It's the most wonderful time of the year in the basement, and we're kicking off the holiday season with our biggest, most packed episode yet.
 
 
 
Joe Saul-Sehy, OG, and Neighbor Doug welcome Joel Larsgaard and Matt Altmix from the How to Money podcast for a year-end celebration of everything that mattered in money during 2025. Think of this as the holiday parade of personal finance episodes. There's a lot happening, it's all connected, and you'll want to stick around for the whole thing.
 
 
 
First up, Joel and Matt join the crew for their Top 5 Lessons from the Events of 2025. From AI's real impact on everyday work to market surprises nobody saw coming, this segment unpacks the money moments that actually changed how we think about our finances. These aren't just headlines rehashed. They're the insights that'll help you make smarter moves in 2026.
 
 
 
Then the show shifts to a fascinating trend everyone's noticing but nobody's quite figured out yet. Why is everyone suddenly betting on everything? Prediction markets are exploding, retail investors are taking bigger risks, and the line between investing and gambling feels blurrier than ever. Joe, OG, Joel, and Matt dig into what's driving this shift, whether it's brilliant or reckless, and how to think about risk when it seems like the whole world just discovered the casino.
 
 
 
But wait, there's more. Nick from Alaska calls in with a real-world budgeting challenge that proves even the most prepared Stackers face seasonal money surprises. His situation sparks the kind of practical, helpful conversation this show does best.
 
 
 
And because this is a holiday kickoff episode, we're wrapping with big news about the Stacking Benjamins Vault, the new tool designed to help you organize and protect your most important financial documents without the headache.
 
 
 
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HTM newsletter • . It’s fun, free, & practical.
 Money Gears: • knowing 
what to do with your money • is crucial to your personal finance journey.
 MG7: • and maybe you’re well on your way to financial independence but you’re looking for some financial reassurance, that’s when heading over to 
HowToMoney.com/Advisor • and getting matched with a highly vetted financial advisor makes sense.
 
 
 
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Holiday Special: 2025 Lessons, Risky Bets, and an Alaska Surprise (BONUS EP)

Sherlock Holmes is a literary character we’re all familiar with who has the uncanny ability to solve any mystery he comes across. And one of the things that sets the British detective apart from others is his use of inductive reasoning to solve his cases. He begins with observations which then propel him in his search for the truth. Deductive reasoning, on the other hand, begins with a hypothesis and then uses the facts in order to confirm a theory. And so as we’re trying to figure out how wealthy we need to be, we think that taking the Holmsian approach is most helpful. Rather than picking a nice round number out of thin air like $1 million, we’re doing some observing and we’re asking some questions! Because regardless of how much money you already have set aside for retirement, you could be missing the mark if you’re only reading the headline numbers reported by the ‘experts’. Today’s episode should help you to realize you probably don’t need as much money as you think, you’ll gain a healthier view of work vs retirement, and we’ll go over some practical calculations to help you decide how much money you’ll *literally* need.
 
 
 
Want more How To Money in your life? Here are some additional ways to get ahead with your personal finances:
 
 Credit card perks: • Check out 
our favorite credit cards • that we use to maximize rewards and optimize our spending.
 Other money nerds: • Find a thriving community of fellow money nerds by joining the 
HTM Facebook group! Newsletter: • Sign up for the weekly 
HTM newsletter • . It’s fun, free, & practical.
 Money Gears: • knowing 
what to do with your money • is crucial to your personal finance journey.
 MG7: • and maybe you’re well on your way to financial independence but you’re looking for some financial reassurance, that’s when heading over to 
HowToMoney.com/Advisor • and getting matched with a highly vetted financial advisor makes sense.
 
 
 
During this episode we enjoyed a Double Clutch Nitro Oatmeal Stout by Gruner Brothers- thanks for donating this one to the show Katie! And please help us to spread the word by letting friends and family know about How to Money! Hit the share button, subscribe if you’re not already a regular listener, and give us a quick review in Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Help us to change the conversation around personal finance and get more people doing smart things with their money!
 
 
 
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Who Wants to *Literally* Be a Millionaire? (Bestie Ep) #1080

Who doesn’t wish that they were currently listening to this episode while lounging at the beach, on a European adventure, or even completely off the grid hiking somewhere amazing?! Of course we all want to do that but c’mon, it’s too expensive! That is the unfortunate excuse that we give ourselves for why we don’t travel as much as we’d like, but our guest is here to set the record straight. Scott Keyes is the founder of Going, the travel platform that was formerly known as Scott’s Cheap Flights. Over at Going, Scott is all about helping travelers snag the absolute best flight deals- from mistake fares, to the best time to book flights, to specific travel recommendations… listen as we have a wide-ranging conversation that will get you excited to plan your next excursion.
 
 
 
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 • Knowing your ‘money gear’ is a crucial part of your personal finance journey. 
Start here. • 
 • Sign up for the weekly 
HTM newsletter • . It’s fun, free, & practical.
 • Join a thriving community of fellow money in the 
HTM Facebook group. • Find the best credit card for you with our new 
credit card tool • !
 • Massively reduce your 
cell phone bill • each month by switching to a discount provider like Mint Mobile.
 
 
 
During this episode we enjoyed a Kolsch by Altstadt Brewing! And please help us to spread the word by letting friends and family know about How to Money! Hit the share button, subscribe if you’re not already a regular listener, and give us a quick review in Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Help us to change the conversation around personal finance and get more people doing smart things with their money!
 
 
 
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The Cheap Travel Truth w/ Scott Keyes #974

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