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Dave Stachowiak

Leaders aren’t born; they’re made. Many leaders reach points in their careers where what worked yesterday doesn’t work today. This Monday show helps leaders thrive at these key inflection points. Independently produced weekly since 2011, Dr. Dave Stachowiak shares insights from a decade of leading a global leadership academy, plus more than 15 years of leadership at Dale Carnegie. Bestselling authors, proven leaders, expert thinkers, and deep conversation have attracted 50 million downloads and over 300,000 followers. Join the FREE membership to search the entire leadership and management library by topic at CoachingforLeaders.com

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Steve Blank: Blind to Disruption

Steve Blank is an Adjunct Professor at Stanford and co-founder of the Gordian Knot Center for National Security Innovation. Credited with launching the Lean Startup movement and the curriculums for the National Science Foundation Innovation Corps and Hacking for Defense and Diplomacy, he’s changed how startups are built, how entrepreneurship is taught, how science is commercialized, and how companies and the government innovate. Steve is the author of The Four Steps to the Epiphany and The Startup Owner’s Manual and is the author of his recent article at steveblank.com: Blind to Disruption: The CEOs Who Missed the Future.

Leaders may see the future coming, but we aren’t always incentivized to act on it. In this conversation, Steve and I discuss what we can learn from the common patterns of disruption so we don’t miss what’s next.

Key Points

 • In the 1890s, there were approximately 4,000 carriage and wagon makers in the United States. Only one company made the transition to automobiles.

 • In each of the three companies that survived, it was the founders, not hired CEOs, that drove the transition.

 • Studebaker recognized that it wasn’t in the business of carriages; it was in the business of mobility.

 • Clayton Christensen taught us that disruption begins with inferior products that incumbents don’t take seriously.

 • The real problem isn’t that companies can’t see the future. It’s that they are structurally disincentivized to act on it.

 • Parsing innovation theatre vs. innovation means paying attention to what’s actually shipping. If nothing is and you want to innovate, look elsewhere.

 • Bubbles in the market are normal. Timing may be off, but that doesn’t mean disruption isn’t happening.

Resources Mentioned

Blind to Disruption: The CEOs Who Missed the Future • by Steve Blank

Related Episodes

How to Start Seeing Around Corners, with Rita McGrath • (episode 430)

How to Build an Invincible Company, with Alex Osterwalder • (episode 470)

How to Pivot Quickly, with Steve Blank • (episode 476)

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761: Notice Disruption and Innovate Through It, with Steve Blank

Shannon Minifie: Box of Crayons

Shannon Minifie is the CEO of Box of Crayons, a learning and development company that helps unleash the power of curiosity to create connected and engaged company cultures. They are the organization behind the bestselling book The Coaching Habit by Michael Bungay Stanier. Shannon and her team recently released a report along with the Harris Poll titled Navigating a Fractured Workplace: How Relational Curiosity increases engagement, trust, and productivity.

Of course, you’ve heard that being curious and coach-like will help in leadership. But sometimes the very thing we think we’re doing well is actually getting in the way. In this conversation, Shannon and I explore the kind of curiosity that leaders often miss.

Key Points

 • 5-6 hours of the average workweek is lost to the fear of making mistakes.

 • A strong majority of leaders say employees are expressing a desire for more feedback, and a majority also say that people are unable to receive hard feedback.

 • Relationships are the core of these conflicting messages. Without a relationship of trust, helpful feedback often doesn’t land that way.

 • Intellectual curiosity helps us learn what we don’t know. Relationship curiosity helps the other person learn what they don’t know.

 • Ask yourself: what is my goal in asking this question?

 • Rather than asking a question that starts with a “why,” consider asking a question that starts with a “what.”

The 7 Essential Questions:

 1. What’s on your mind?

 2. And what else?

 3. What’s the real challenge here for you?

 4. What do you want?

 5. How can I help?

 6. If you’re saying yes to this, what are you saying no to?

 7. What was most useful for you?

Resources Mentioned

Navigating a Fractured Workplace: How Relational Curiosity Increases Engagement, Trust, and Productivity • .

Interactive Learning Preview: Invest in the Power of Curiosity
The Coaching Habit • * by Michael Bungay Stanier

Interview Notes

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Related Episodes

These Coaching Questions Get Results, with Michael Bungay Stanier • (episode 237)

How to Ask Better Questions, with David Marquet • (episode 454)

The Way to Be More Coach-Like, with Michael Bungay Stanier • (episode 458)

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760: The Kind of Curiosity Leaders Often Miss, with Shannon Minifie

Ruchika T. Malhotra: Uncompete

Ruchika T. Malhotra is the founder of Candour, a global inclusion strategy firm that has worked with some of the world’s biggest organizations. She’s been recognized multiple times by Thinkers50 and co-wrote one of Harvard Business Review’s top 100 most-read articles in history: Stop Telling Women They Have Imposter Syndrome. She is the author of Inclusion on Purpose, MIT Press’s top-selling book of 2022 and now her newest book, Uncompete: Rejecting Competition to Unlock Success (Amazon, Bookshop)*.

A lot of people think about work as a competition for resources. But what if, by inviting others to the table, you created more for everyone? In this conversation, Ruchika and I explore the opportunity for all of us to uncompete.

Key Points

 • Many of us are so socialized to compete that we don’t realize the benefits of collective collaboration.

 • Reach out to someone who inspires you. Praising someone for something awesome about them, without an accompanying ask, is so rare.

 • Display genuine curiosity. Don’t confuse “nice” small talk for depth. Ask bigger questions that get to the heart of who people are.

 • As you build trust, talk numbers. In the professional context, real relationships of trust demand this kind of transparency.

 • Take regular stock of relationships. Take people at their word and also watch how their actions line up – or don’t.

 • Invite others to the table. The bigger your circle, the more you create for everybody.

Resources Mentioned

Uncompete: Rejecting Competition to Unlock Success • by Ruchika T. Malhotra (
Amazon • , 
Bookshop • )*

Interview Notes

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Related Episodes

End Imposter Syndrome in Your Organization, with Jodi-Ann Burey • (episode 556)

How to Create Inclusive Hiring Practices, with Ruchika Tulshyan • (episode 589)

Doing Better Than Zero-Sum Thinking, with Renée Mauborgne • (episode 641)

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759: The Way to Build Collective Power, with Ruchika T. Malhotra

Kirstin Ferguson: Blindspotting

Kirstin Ferguson has been recognized globally by Thinkers50 as one of the top 50 management thinkers in the world and is the recipient of the 2023 Distinguished Leadership Award. She was an officer in the Royal Australian Air Force, and then went on to lead an international consulting firm as CEO, before serving on the boards of major publicly listed, private, and non-profit organizations. She is the author of Women Kind, Head & Heart, and her newest book Blindspotting: How to See What Others Miss (Amazon, Bookshop)*.

If we stop to think about it, almost all of us recognize that we have blind spots. Given that reality, anything we can do that helps us see what others might miss will help us lead better. In this conversation, Kirsten and I explore the mindsets and practices that will help us uncover more of our blind spots.

Key Points

 • Experts are better at knowing when they are right, but also less likely to show appropriate doubt when they could be wrong.

 • There’s a time to be a seeker and a time to be a knower. Both are important in different situations, but leaders in many situations would benefit from more seeking.

 • Blindspotting is about calibration, not hesitation.

 • Accept your intellectual limitations. A key way to do this is saying these four words more: “I don’t know yet.”

 • Disentangling your ego will help your blind spot better. Shift away from your pride a bit by separating yourself from your knowledge and expertise.

 • Hunt down your biases. Admitting they exist is step one. Model vulnerability by talking about your past mistakes both with yourself and with others.

Resources Mentioned

Blindspotting: How to See What Others Miss • by Kirstin Ferguson (
Amazon • , 
Bookshop • )*.

Interview Notes

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Related Episodes

Getting Better at Reading the Room, with Kirstin Ferguson • (episode 651)

How to Find What’s Missing, with Jeff Wetzler • (episode 732)

How to Teach Your Expertise to Others, with Roger Kneebone • (episode 743)

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758: How to See What Others Miss, with Kirstin Ferguson

Goldie Chan: Personal Branding for Introverts

Goldie Chan is the founder of Warm Robots, a social media strategy and creative agency, and she is herself a creative, keynote speaker, author, and cancer survivor. She was named the “Oprah of LinkedIn” by Huffington Post, and her creative video channel won LinkedIn Top Voice for Social Media. She is the author of Personal Branding for Introverts (Amazon, Bookshop)*.

Many of us aspire to have a powerful personal brand, but it’s not always clear where to start. In this conversation, Goldie and I zero in on the five elements that matter most – and what you can do to get started.

Key Points

Five C’s of personal branding:

 • Clarity: Surface it by determining three words you want to be associated with.

 • Consistency: The internet is for introverts. Find the medium where you can show up often and that plays to your strengths.

 • Competency: Rather than promoting yourself, promote the ideas and practices you stand for through your experience.

 • Confidence: Ego is when you shout who you are to a room, and confidence is when you know who you are in a room.

 • Community: Join in on conversations with people discussing what you care about. Find these communities or build your own.

Resources Mentioned

Personal Branding for Introverts • by Goldie Chan (
Amazon • , 
Bookshop • )*.

Interview Notes

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Related Episodes

The Four Critical Stories Leaders Need For Influence, with David Hutchens • (episode 148)

The Way to Get Noticed by Key Stakeholders, with Daphne E. Jones • (episode 614)

Your Reputation is Your Currency, with Maha Abouelenein • (episode 703)

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757: The Key Elements of a Powerful Personal Brand, with Goldie Chan

Muriel Wilkins: Leadership Unblocked

Muriel Wilkins is the founder and CEO of Paravis Partners and a sought-after C-suite adviser and executive coach with a twenty-year track record of helping senior leaders take their performance to the next level. She is the coauthor of Own the Room and the host of the Harvard Business Review podcast Coaching Real Leaders. She’s just released her newest book, Leadership Unblocked: Break Through the Beliefs That Limit Your Potential (Amazon, Bookshop)*.

You may have spent years aiming for the leadership role you now have. But now, once you’re in the job, it can be really disorienting to feel like you don’t belong. In this conversation, Muriel and I explore this reality that a lot of leaders face and what do when you run into it.

Key Points

 • Feeling like you don’t belong is a normal and common reality at inflection points in your career.

 • A vicious cycle can emerge: you’re waiting to be included while others are waiting for you to engage.

 • While you can’t control others, you can break the part of the pattern you have control of.

 • Define your value proposition. What gets missed when you don’t show up?

 • Remind yourself of shared goals or values with the group. This prevents the small stuff from distracting you as much.

 • Identify a few supportive people and build relationships with them.

Resources Mentioned

Leadership Unblocked: Break Through the Beliefs That Limit Your Potential • by Muriel Wilkins (
Amazon • , 
Bookshop • )*

Interview Notes

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Related Episodes

How to Start a Big Leadership Role, with Carol Kauffman • (episode 617)

How to Start Better With Peers, with Michael Bungay Stanier • (episode 635)

The Habits That Hold Leaders Back, with Marshall Goldsmith • (episode 696)

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756: When It Feels Like You Don’t Belong, with Muriel Wilkins

David Hutchens: Story Dash

David Hutchens works with leaders around the world to find, craft, and tell their most urgent stories for the purpose of creating shared meaning, preserving culture, disseminating learning, and speeding change in organizations. He has taught the Storytelling Leader program at some of the most influential organizations, including NASA, Paypal, Loreal Paris, Cisco, Walmart, Google, and FedEx. He’s written many books, including the Circle of the 9 Muses, Story Dash, and The Leadership Story Deck.

When organizational change is happening, leaders need to be intentional about lining up with culture, especially if it’s the time to shift that culture just a bit. We often do the logistics well, but we miss the power of both the human and emotional connections. In this episode, David and I discuss how story can help us make a meaningful shift.

Key Points

 • The organizations that are being intentional about culture are also being intentional about story.

 • Getting beyond the logistics of changes and leaning first into humanity and emotion help people frame cultural shifts.

 • Leaders go first. Embodied stories from leaders are surprising, counter-cultural, and repeatable.

 • Asking for stories is rarely sufficient. Instead, invite stories through intentional prompts like, “Tell me about a time you felt more engaged, alive, and happiest in your work here.”

 • Received stories are the ones told by employees. Adding an emotion word to an invitation such as, “What’s a time you were 
proud? • ” often surfaces more genuine stories.

David is now a Coaching for Leaders expert partner. Connect with him to discover how he might support your organization in making a meaningful cultural shift via our partners page or email him directly at david@davidhutchens.com.

Resources Mentioned

Circle of the 9 Muses: A Storytelling Field Guide for Innovators and Meaning Makers • by David Hutchens (
Amazon • , 
Bookshop • )*

Story Dash: Find, Develop, and Activate Your Most Valuable Business Stories…In Just a Few Hours • by David Hutchens (
Amazon • )*

Leadership Story Deck • by David Hutchens (
Amazon • )*

Related Episodes

Leadership Means You Go First, with Keith Ferrazzi • (episode 488)

How to Start Finding Useful Stories, with David Hutchens • (episode 593)

How to Bring Out the Best in People, with Donna Hicks • (episode 724)

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755: How to Lead a Meaningful Cultural Shift, with David Hutchens

Monica Chartier: Coaching for Leaders Fellow

Monica Chartier is a group product manager in the technology industry. Her work has centered on supporting a global product experience, getting a million visitors a day. In addition to her e-commerce and technical experience, she indexes heavily on coach-like leadership with her team and also inside our community as one of our Coaching for Leaders Fellows.

In this conversation, Monica and I explore a need inside the Coaching for Leaders membership community and how we used the design thinking process to approach it. We outline the five key steps we followed and how you might do the same to address a problem inside your own organization.

Key Points

Five steps to solve a problem using design thinking:

 1. Empathy: Start with Intentional Listening and Observation.

 2. Define: Clarify the Real Problem to Solve.

 3. Ideate: Co-Create Ideas and Form Testable Hypotheses.

 4. Prototype: Start Small, Learn Fast.

 5. Test, Learn, and Adapt: Make Iteration a Leadership Habit.

Access Monica’s detailed guide (PDF download)

Resources Mentioned

Monica Chartier on LinkedIn

Related Episodes

The Way to Make Struggles More Productive, with Sarah Stein Greenberg • (episode 569)

How to Prevent a Team From Repeating Mistakes, with Robert “Cujo” Teschner • (episode 660)

How to Lead Engaging Meetings, with Jess Britt • (episode 721)

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754: Five Steps to Solve a Problem, with Monica Chartier

Vanessa Druskat: The Emotionally Intelligent Team

Vanessa Druskat is an associate professor at the Peter T. Paul College of Business and Economics at the University of New Hampshire. She advises leaders and teams at over a dozen Fortune 500 and Fortune Global 500 companies and wrote the best-selling Harvard Business Review article (with S. Wolff) on emotionally intelligent teams that has been chosen many times for inclusion in HBR’s most valued articles. She is the author of The Emotionally Intelligent Team: Building Collaborative Groups that Outperform the Rest (Amazon, Bookshop)*.

It’s easy to assume that a good start for a great team is getting the smartest people together. That does help, but it’s not the critical factor in whether a team performs. In this conversation, Vanessa and I discuss why the word belonging makes such a difference.

Key Points

 • Raw talent of the individual and their own interpersonal skills don’t predict team performance.

 • Belonging is critical for team performance. Leaders often miss this because they already feel like they belong.

 • Team members understanding each other is the first and most critical norm.

 • Beginning meetings with check-ins or gallery walks helps people understand each other, even if it’s not discussed extensively.

 • Inviting people to bring everyday objects to illustrate a more complex point helps make understanding accessible.

 • The leader sets the tone, but it’s the interaction between team members that makes the difference.

Resources Mentioned

The Emotionally Intelligent Team: Building Collaborative Groups that Outperform the Rest • (
Amazon • , 
Bookshop • )* by Vanessa Druskat

Interview Notes

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Related Episodes

How to Engage Remote Teams, with Tsedal Neeley • (episode 537)

Team Collaboration Supports Growth Mindset, with Mary Murphy • (episode 695)

How to Help People Connect at Work, with Wes Adams • (episode 735)

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753: The Key Norm of a High Performing Team, with Vanessa Druskat

Scott Keller: A CEO For All Seasons

Scott Keller is a senior partner at McKinsey, where he coleads the firm’s global CEO Excellence work within the Strategy & Corporate Finance Practice and serves as a global leader in the Organization Practice. He’s a New York Times bestselling author and trusted advisor to boards, CEOs, and senior leadership teams, with whom he guides multiyear, enterprise-wide transformations that shape the future of institutions. His colleagues and he are the authors of the new book, A CEO For All Seasons: Mastering the Cycles of Leadership (Amazon, Bookshop)*.

One of the most critical phases of taking on the top job is what you do at the start. Whether it’s stepping into the role as president, general manager, executive director, owner, or CEO, starting well can make all the difference. In this conversation, Scott and I explore how to begin in the best way possible.

Key Points

 • One-third to one-half of new CEOs are considered to be failing within eighteen months of taking the role. Many wish they’d handled the transition differently.

 • New CEOs enter a reality distortion field of many bosses (the board), no peers, and ultimate accountability for everything. The best CEOs guard against this by not making it about them.

 • Ask questions that aren’t about you, but the organization. Instead of, “How will I know if I’m successful?” ask, “How will we know if we’re winning?”

 • Beginning with a listening tour is essential. People will tell you things when you’re new that they’ll never say two or three years later.

 • Create a fact-based, one version of the truth. Once you know it, keep to a single narrative for everyone.

 • Err towards complete candor in the toughest realities. Prepare intensely for moments of truth, when they need to happen.

 • Set clear boundaries and stay extremely disciplined. Your narrative and first moves should guide how you frame these.

Resources Mentioned

 • A CEO For All Seasons: Mastering the Cycles of Leadership (
Amazon • , 
Bookshop • )* by Carolyn Dewar, Scott Keller, Vikram Malhotra, and Kurt Strovink

Interview Notes

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Related Episodes

How Top Leaders Influence Great Teamwork, with Scott Keller • (episode 585)

How to Genuinely Show Up for Others, with Marshall Goldsmith • (episode 590)

How to Start a Big Leadership Role, with Carol Kauffman • (episode 617)

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752: How to Start the Top Job, with Scott Keller

Bonni Stachowiak: Teaching in Higher Ed

Bonni is the host of the Teaching in Higher Ed podcast, Dean of Teaching and Learning and Professor of Business and Management at Vanguard University, and my life partner. Prior to her academic career, she was a human resources consultant and executive officer for a publicly traded company. Bonni is the author of The Productive Online and Offline Professor: A Practical Guide*.

While we all enjoy many aspects of our personality, most of us trend towards either extroversion or introversion in how we engage with the world. In this episode, Dave and Bonni discuss this dichotomy, how to lead those who have preferences in each area, and advice for your own leadership style.

How to lead those with an extroversion preference:

 • Give them opportunities to communicate ideas and thoughts

 • Help them use their preferences in sales interactions

 • Recognize that they may become impatient with a slow pace, so give them indicators of movement, when possible

 • Use feedback regularly

How to lead if you have an extroversion preference:

 • Take time to listen

 • Ask others how they want to be led

 • Avoid using “thinking out loud” as an excuse for not treating others well

 • Give yourself “time outs” when you need them

 • Recognize that venting does not actually live up to its reputation

How to lead those with an introversion preference:

 • Don’t surprise them

 • Give them time to respond

 • They are doing their best work when you don’t see them

 • Unnecessary group work irritates them

 • Give them physical space to work independently

 • They tend to not multi-task well

How to lead if you have an introversion preference:

 • Be flexible

 • Let people know what you are thinking

 • Explain to people that you might not always seem engaged

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43: How to Lead Extroverts and Introverts, with Bonni Stachowiak

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