Journalist and author Liel Leibovitz joins Antonio and Erik for a deep discussion that “solves all outstanding Israel issues once and for all.” They discuss what’s going on with Israeli and US politics, Israel’s foundational choice ahead, and why wokeness is not penetrating Israel. If you’re looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/zen

We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

Walter Russell Mead, historian, pundit, and author is encyclopedic about politics, culture, and history from immigration to religion, literature to finance. Mead is one of our favorite guests on Moment of Zen. He also has his own show called What Really Matters, a new podcast from Tablet Magazine (whose editor in chief, Alana Newhouse, was also on our show). Every week on What Really Matters, Mead and deputy editor Jeremy Stern analyze the revolutionary changes upending American life and connect them to larger trends. Go to tabletmag.com/podcasts/what-really-matters or subscribe to What Really Matters with Walter Russell Mead on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

LINKS: Liel’s writings for Tablet: https://www.tabletmag.com/contributors/liel-leibovitz

RECOMMENDED PODCASTS: Upstream with Erik Torenberg: https://link.chtbl.com/Upstream Unorthodox from Tablet: https://www.tabletmag.com/tags/unorthodox

TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) Episode preview (03:06) Askhenazi vs Sephardic (04:14) Universalism vs Particularism (15:28) Sponsors: Secureframe | MarketerHire (37:08) Christian vs Jewish notions of Justice (49:28) Liel’s political evolution (52:42) Palestinians vs Israelis (1:00:00) Abraham Accords - Obama vs Trump approach to Israel (1:07:00) What do the left vs right of Israel believe? (1:12:00) What does Netanyahu want (1:16:02) Liel is Long-term bullish, short-term bearish on Israel (1:19:00) Israel isn’t dependent on U.S. anymore (1:29:27) What would Liel’s smartest critic say about this conversation (1:34:52) Future of America / Israel relationship

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