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Studio BOTH/AND

True Crime Bullsh** is a serialized, investigative podcast that aims to identify the missing victims of serial killer Israel Keyes. Host Josh Hallmark has spent close to a decade combing through FBI files, analyzing interrogation videos, and working with experts in the field in this comprehensive and ground-breaking podcast.

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True Crime Bullsh**

Josh continues his look into the strange disappearance of Roger Jung. The team analyzes tips, reviews the Keyes timeline, data mines, and gets some help from the Everett Police Department.

This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark. 
Additional research by: Shana Wilensky, Michelle Tooker, Jordan Taylor, and Kim K. 
Sound editing by: Darron Wood of the Defense Diaries podcast. 
 
This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: 
www.truecrimebullshit.com / bothand.fyi 
For an ad-free experience: www.patreon.com/studiobothand 

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Music by: William Hellfire, HIVE, Radical Face, Sergey Cheremisinov. 
Featured song by: Sunriver

Patreon producers: Amelia Hancock, Amy Basil, Annemarie Cash, Annette L, Asch Fish, Becky C, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Casey Jensen-Richardson, Christina Sisson, Corey Deatly, Dale Akstin, Drew Vipond, Heather Horton-Whedon, Jen Jacobi, Jillian Natale, Kathleen Studer, Kendall C, Lana Halladay, Lauren F, Lynnlie Tuschoff, Manolis Boukolus, Nicole and Dennis Henry, Nicole Guzman, Pink, SC, Shelly Brewer, Sherri D, Trista, Tuesdi Woodworth, Zack Ignatowicz Warren, Beth McNally, John Comrie, Jordan M, Jordan Taylor, Michael Beers, Sara Cee, Shawna Hardin, Spooky Express, and Lydia Fiedler.

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0618 | Summits, part 2

The season six finale is over a decade in the making; Josh sits down with FBI Special Agent Ted Halla to discuss the Keyes investigation, share new information and ideas, rule out potential victims, and develop our clearest look yet at the details surrounding 5 of Keyes's victims. 

This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark. 
Featuring: FBI SA Ted Halla. 
Sound editing by: Darron Wood of the Defense Diaries podcast. 

This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: 
www.truecrimebullshit.com / bothand.fyi 
For an ad-free experience: www.patreon.com/studiobothand 

Music by: William Hellfire, Radical Face, Sergey Cheremisinov, and Sero. 
Featured song: The Museum by Half Waif 

Patreon producers: Amelia Hancock, Amy Basil, Annemarie Cash, Annette L, Asch Fish, Becky C, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Casey Jensen-Richardson, Christina Sisson, Corey Deatly, Dale Akstin, Drew Vipond, Heather Horton-Whedon, Jen Jacobi, Jillian Natale, Kathleen Studer, Kendall C, Lana Halladay, Lauren F, Lynnlie Tuschoff, Manolis Boukolus, Nicole and Dennis Henry, Nicole Guzman, Pink, SC, Shelly Brewer, Sherri D, Trista, Tuesdi Woodworth, Zack Ignatowicz Warren, Beth McNally, John Comrie, Jordan M, Jordan Taylor, Michael Beers, Sara Cee, Shawna Hardin, Spooky Express, and Lydia Fiedler.

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0619 | The Future Is a Hopeful Past

The true crime podcasting community has come together for the holiday season to discuss all things true crime podcasting. Over the next two weeks, ten shows will be dropping bonus episodes sharing these conversations. In this episode, I'm joined by The Captain (True Crime Garage) and Charlie Worroll (Crimelines) to discuss highs and lows of podcasting, true crime events, criticism, being public-facing, self-doubt, growing pains, and more.

Check out Charlie's and Captain's shows:
Crimelines
True Crime Garage

Other true crime conversations coming:
• Josh (True Crime Bullsh**), Alvin (Affirmative Murder), Javier (Pretend)
• Lucy (Wine & Crime), Kristen (Murder, She Told), Charlie (Crimelines)
• Amanda (Wine & Crime), Javier (Pretend), Whitney (Navigating Advocacy)
• Robin (The Trail Went Cold), Melissa (Navigating Advocacy), Robert (The Broken System)

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True Crimelines Garage Bullsh**

The true crime podcasting community has come together for the holiday season to discuss all things true crime podcasting. Over the next two weeks, ten shows will be dropping bonus episodes sharing these conversations. In this episode, I'm joined by Alvin Williams (Affirmative Murder) and Javier Leiva (Pretend) to discuss how we started our shows, true crime as an industry, how we've grown and lessons we've learned, cases we've covered, monetizing true crime, television, the future of our shows, and more.

Check out Alvin's and Javier's shows:
Affirmative Murder
Pretend

Other true crime conversations coming:
• Josh (True Crime Bullsh**), The Captain (True Crime Garage), Charlie (Crimelines)
• Lucy (Wine & Crime), Kristen (Murder, She Told), Charlie (Crimelines)
• Amanda (Wine & Crime), Javier (Pretend), Whitney (Navigating Advocacy)
• Robin (The Trail Went Cold), Melissa (Navigating Advocacy), Robert (The Broken System)

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Affirmative Pretend Bullsh**

Boy, do we have a lot of thoughts and feelings on this episode. Josh discusses disagreements with Halla, perceived holes in Halla's logic, information gained, the architecture of next season, 2025 as a whole, season 6 as a whole, his least favorite episode, new projects, the featured song, and more. Plus, an unaired clip from the Halla interview. 

To support the show and get more bonus content, go to www.Patreon.com/studiobothand

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Thoughts & Feelings: 0619

Josh, Shana, Tooks, and Jordan answer listener questions about season 6, the FBI interviews, the future of the show, Hunters WA, and more. We chat at length about the Ackernecht, Cooke, Mayo, Murray, and Tidwell cases.

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Season 6 Q&A

When a young child goes missing from a Florida apartment complex, police must examine histories of abuse, murky allegations, and contradictory timelines. As the investigation moves forward, media appearances complicate things and ultimately lead to more tragedy. And this case that Israel Keyes was almost certainly not involved in, brings more attention to his activity in Florida. 

Written and Researched by Michelle Tooker. 
Edited and Produced by Josh Hallmark. 

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Sources include: 
• https://charleyproject.org/case/trenton-john-duckett
• https://www.youtube.com/live/V96x5lqPqe8?si=fCqpjEGAotuGeuup
• https://www.thetimes.com/article/cnn-guest-kills-herself-after-gruelling-questions-t5nhm3qk77h
• https://www.ocala.com/story/news/2006/10/01/melinda-reportedly-was-abused-as-a-child/64279937007/
• https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2006/09/17/for-trenton-turmoil-began-with-parents-2/
• https://www.myflfamilies.com/crisis-services/baker-act
• https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/150052461/melinda_marie-duckett
• https://www.newsweek.com/family-stunned-duckett-suicide-109245
• https://transcripts.cnn.com/show/ng/date/2006-09-26/segment/01
• https://supremecourt.flcourts.gov/content/download/344916/file/01-2149_ans.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjSt572rIqMAxVjM1kFHTfEOTIQFnoECCYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0W61TqEvBWuGDaM6w93Zry
• https://www.dailycommercial.com/story/news/local/2024/08/27/leesburg-florida-boy-trenton-duckett-still-missing-18-years-later/74965557007/
• https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna14823398
• https://www.ocala.com/story/news/2006/09/27/ducketts-marriage-rocky-from-the-start/31170725007/
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBG3hfBs5Lg
• https://www.ocala.com/story/news/2007/01/31/why-did-melinda-duckett-become-a-notary/31183982007/
• https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/new-rendering-released-in-trenton-duckett-missing-persons-case
• https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/nancy-grace-settles-lawsuit-melinda-ducketts-suicide/story?id=12096851
• https://www.gainesville.com/story/news/2006/11/22/lawsuit-blames-nancy-grace-for-womans-suicide/31503421007/
• https://www.cbsnews.com/news/grace-guests-suicide-note-cites-media/

Music by: 
Alex Preston, Parhelion, Lightless Voids, and When The Tide Breaks. 
Featured song by Duce Williams. 

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The NAMUS-45: Trenton Duckett

New Tour Dates:
4/10/2025 | Dallas, TX at Elm & Good at The Kimpton Pittman Hotel (6pm - 8pm)
4/14/2025 | New Orleans, LA at The Paradise Lounge at Hotel St. Vincent (530pm - 730pm)
These are both informal happy hours. 

Studio Sessions:
5/17/2025 | North Adams, MA at Studio BOTH/AND (1pm - 5pm)
Come to the studio for a Keyes Q&A, studio tour, cocktaills, podcast previews, special guests, and more.
Get Tickets

Unsafe Spaces: Part 2 premieres on April 24th.

TrovaTrip to Bali
September 27 - October 3
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A Tour, Studio Sessions, and the Unsafe Spaces: Part 2 Trailer

The Pulitzer Prize-winning podcast returns for its second season! 

Seven years after his release from prison, former juvenile lifer Luis "Suave" Gonzalez seems to be thriving. His career has taken off, he’s in a committed relationship and he’s received public recognition after telling his story on the podcast. Suave always thought once he was out of prison and found stability in his new life, he would finally feel truly free. But freedom, it turns out, is more complicated than it seems. "Suave" is a deeply intimate portrait of a man battling the lingering trauma of incarceration and his search for happiness in the outside world after a near-lifetime in prison. In this season we explore the long shadow of prison.

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Introducing Season 2 of “Suave”

In the second season premiere, Josh digs into two years of research into the lives and crimes of Steven Lorenzo and Scott Schweickert, in hopes of identifying other victims. A list of 25 missing and murdered men, across multiple jursidctions, launches a deep-dive investigation that examines the lives of these 25 men, Lorenzo & Schweickert, other area serial killers, intersectionality, homophobia, politics, and more. 

This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark 

Featuring: 
Albert Perkins 

Resources: 
 • NAMUS.gov 
CharleyProject.org • The Tampa Bay Times 
 • The Tampa Tribune 
This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyi
For an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothand

Music by: Tamuz Dekel, Grissly Bill, and Yehezkel Raz 
Featured music by: TV on the Radio 

Patreon Producers: Amy Basil, Dale Akstin, Kendall C, Amelia Hancock, Annette L, Asch Fish, Becky C, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Casey Jensen Richardson, Christina Sisson, Corey Deatly, Drew Vipond, Heather Horton Whedon, Jen J, Jillian Natale, Kathleen Studer, Lana Halladay, Lauren F, Lydia Rodarte Quayle, Manolis Bouloukos, Nicole & Dennis Henry, Pink, Robin Wolfe, SC, Shelly Brewer, Sherri D, Trista, Tuesday Woodworth, Zack Ignatowicz Warren, Bethany Heintz, Carrie, Emily Paine, John Comrie, Jordan M, Jordan Taylor, Kate Lussier, Kathy Nation, Megan Inman, Rene LaPlante, Sabrina Abbot, Spooky, Tori Myers 

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A Tour, Studio Sessions, and the Unsafe Spaces: Part 2 Trailer

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