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Dan Turchin


Host Dan Turchin, PeopleReign CEO, explores how AI is changing the workplace. He interviews thought leaders and technologists from industry and academia who share their experiences and insights about artificial intelligence and what it means to be human in the era of AI-driven automation. Learn more about PeopleReign, the system of intelligence for IT and HR employee service: http://www.peoplereign.io.


AI and the Future of Work

Dr. Jad Tarifi is the co-founder of Integral AI, a company he launched in 2021 after holding senior AI roles at Google. He earned his PhD in Computer Science and AI from the University of Florida and completed his undergraduate studies at the University of Waterloo. A returning guest to the podcast, Jad is a leading thinker on world models in AI and often shares insights on the science of longevity and the future of intelligence.

In this conversation, we discuss:

 • Why Jad believes the goal of AGI isn't intelligence but freedom, and how that redefinition reframes both ethics and alignment
 • The role of world models in achieving AGI, and why video prediction alone isn't enough for robust, reliable reasoning
 • What it means to design AI that can autonomously learn new skills with minimal energy and data, matching or exceeding human learning efficiency
 • How Integral AI is building AGI-capable models by focusing on unsupervised abstraction and embodied, open-ended agents
 • How Jad defines superintelligence and what it reveals about the evolving relationship between humans and machines
 • A glimpse into Integral’s long-term roadmap, including recursive superfactories and post-AGI economies

Resources:

Subscribe to the AI & The Future of Work NewsletterConnect with Jad on LinkedInAI fun fact articleOn How To Pick The Right Business Problem to Solve with AI • Jad Tarifi’s past episode 
on how to train AI to reason like humans

350: What Comes After AGI? A Vision for a Freedom-Based Economy with Jad Tarifi, Co-Founder of Integral AI

To celebrate International Youth Day (August 12), this special compilation episode of AI and the Future of Work brings together inspiring voices with wisdom for both young people starting out and the leaders, parents, and mentors guiding them.

In this episode, we revisit key moments from four remarkable guests who share timeless lessons on navigating change, finding meaning in work, embracing vulnerability, and developing the human-centered skills that will matter most in the future.

Featuring Guests:

🔹 Bruce Feiler, Bestselling Author - Listen to the full conversation: https://www.buzzsprout.com/520474/episodes/14158168 

🔹 Linda Rottenberg, Co-Founder & CEO, Endeavor - Listen to the full conversation: https://www.buzzsprout.com/520474/episodes/8356582 

🔹 Mark McCrindle, Social Researcher & Speaker - Listen to the full conversation: https://www.buzzsprout.com/520474/episodes/13014260 

🔹 William Osman, Tech Creator & YouTuber - Listen to the full conversation: https://www.buzzsprout.com/520474/episodes/15701415-301 

💡 What You’ll Learn:

 • Why your work journey will change multiple times—and how to embrace it
 • How vulnerability can make leaders more relatable and effective
 • The enduring value of human-centered skills in a tech-driven world
 • Why experimentation and adaptability are critical for success
 • How leaders and mentors can help create opportunities for young people

Whether you’re charting your own course or helping others navigate theirs, these conversations will inspire you to take bold steps toward a meaningful future.

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Inspired by something in this episode? Share your favorite insight on social and tag us. And don’t forget to subscribe for more conversations with the leaders shaping the future of work.

Other special compilation episodes: 

Lessons from Four Unicorn CEOs Disrupting Massive Markets with AI (Special Episode)Ethical AI in Hiring: How to Stay Compliant While Building a Fairer Future of Work (HR Day Special Episode)The Future of AI Ethics Special: Perspectives from Women Leaders in AI on Bias, Accountability & TrustAI and Safety: How Responsible Tech Leaders Build Trustworthy Systems (National Safety Month Special)World Health Day Special: How AI Is Making Healthcare Smarter, Cheaper, and KinderData Privacy Day Special Episode: AI, Deepfakes & The Future of Trust

Empowering the Next Generation: Career, Leadership & Resilience Insights (International Youth Day Special Episode)

William Chan is the co-founder and CEO of Iodine Software, a company he helped launch in 2010 to pioneer the use of AI in helping healthcare providers get paid. A serial entrepreneur, he previously co-founded WhisperWire, acquired by Convergys, and Crimson, acquired by The Advisory Board, and has held product leadership roles at companies including Oracle. William holds a BS in computer science from Cornell University and an MBA from Harvard Business School.

In this conversation, we discuss:

 • The challenges hospitals face in accurately capturing patient care details for proper reimbursement.
 • How AI can address staffing shortages by assisting with clinical documentation review.
 • The importance of responsible AI that supports, rather than replaces, human decision-making in healthcare.
 • Strategies to reduce bias and improve accuracy by training AI models on diverse datasets from different hospital types and geographies.
 • Why AI must deliver clear, actionable insights that clinicians can validate, ensuring trust and accountability in healthcare decisions.
 • William’s vision for reducing the $260 billion in administrative waste and enabling providers to focus more on patient care.

Resources:

Subscribe to the AI & The Future of Work NewsletterConnect with William on LinkedInAI fun fact articleOn How To Revolutionizing Finance and Decision-Making • Past episodes mentioned in this conversation:
 • [With Dr. Shiv Rao, CEO and Co-Founder of Abridge] - 
On How Generative AI is fixing the Biggest Problem faced by Doctors

349: Can AI Reinvent Healthcare Admin? Cutting $260B in Waste and Optimizing Revenue Cycles with William Chan, CEO of Iodine Software

Dr. Mark van Rijmenam is ranked as the world's best futurists and is known globally for his trademark “Optimistic Dystopian” viewpoint. Recognized by Salesforce as a top voice shaping the future of AI, he’s a sought-after speaker on the relationship between innovation and humanity. He delivered the world’s first TEDx Talk in VR (2020) and introduced a digital twin that speaks 29 languages (2024). Mark holds a PhD in Management from the University of Technology Sydney, where he studied how organizations can use big data, blockchain, and AI. He’s also a six-time author and dedicated endurance athlete.

In this conversation, we discuss:

 • Why Dr. Mark van Rijmenam believes we need a paradigm shift to prepare society for the long-term consequences of AI and quantum computing
 • The critical difference between building technology for shareholders versus stakeholders and how that shapes our future
 • What the “spiral dynamics” framework reveals about humanity’s current worldview and its path toward a more interconnected mindset
 • How banning technology for kids under 16 could protect future generations and reshape digital education
 • The risks of anthropomorphizing AI and the need to preserve human agency in a world increasingly shaped by machines
 • What inspired Dr. Mark’s sixth book 
Now What? • and how he uses fiction, philosophy, and global cultures to help readers ride the tsunami of change

Resources:

Subscribe to the AI & The Future of Work NewsletterConnect with Mark on LinkedInAI fun fact articleOn Extending Life With AI • Explore more from Dr. Mark van Rijmenam:
Now What? How to Ride the Tsunami of ChangeFuturwise Platform — The Fastest Path to your Next InsightDr. Mark’s TEDx Talk in VR •

348: Will Society Evolve Fast Enough? AI Ethics, Quantum Futures, and Rethinking Humanity with Dr. Mark van Rijmenam

Bhaskar Roy is the Chief of AI Products & Solutions at Workato, the workflow automation leader with more than 11,000 customers and a $5.7 billion valuation. He has been with the company for nearly 11 years, previously serving as CMO. A serial head of products, Bhaskar co-founded Qik, which was acquired by Skype in 2011 for $150 million and later by Microsoft for $8.5 billion, and later held leadership roles at Playphone. He holds a Bachelor’s degree in Computer Science from the Birla Institute of Technology in Mesra, India.

In this conversation, we discuss:

 • Bhaskar’s journey from co-founding Qik to leading AI products at Workato, and why a lightbulb moment convinced him to pivot from marketing back to product innovation
 • What Bhaskar learned from building products that scale globally and how those lessons shape his view on AI’s real-world impact
 • Why Bhaskar sees AI agents as the next leap beyond low-code automation and how they orchestrate complex business processes
 • The balance between deterministic workflows and AI’s reasoning capabilities, and how to maintain human oversight
 • How enterprises can move beyond AI experiments at the fringes to transformative use cases that deliver measurable ROI
 • The cultural shift required to embrace AI in the workplace, from reducing fear of automation to unlocking new opportunities for employees

Resources:

Subscribe to the AI & The Future of Work NewsletterConnect with Bhaskar on LinkedInAI fun fact articleOn How to Help Companies Push Boldly Into The Future • Past episodes with amazing guests from Workato:
Interview with Vijay Tella, CEO of WorkatoInterview with Carter Busse, CIO at Workato

347: Will AI Agents Redefine Automation? Balancing Autonomy and Guardrails with Bhaskar Roy, Chief of AI Products and Solutions at Workato

Dave Treat is the Chief Technology Officer of Pearson, the world’s largest education company headquartered in London, with a market cap of $11 billion and over 17,000 employees. Before joining Pearson, he spent several years at Accenture as a Senior Managing Director leading the Innovation Incubation Group. Dave has also served on multiple technology and industry boards, including the Linux Hyperledger Foundation, Linux Open Wallet Foundation, Digital Dollar Project, and the Global Business Blockchain Council. Earlier in his career, he held leadership roles at Deloitte and UBS. He holds a master’s degree in Higher Education Administration from the University of Michigan and a degree in Psychology from the University of Pennsylvania.

In this conversation, we discuss:

 • How Pearson is evolving from a textbook publisher into a software company driving the future of learning
 • Why AI study tools are reshaping when and how students learn, meeting them at the exact moment they need help
 • The mental health and motivation challenges students face today, and how AI can support them with simpler, more personalized learning
 • How AI can simplify the administrative burden for educators and free them to focus on deeper student engagement
 • Why the traditional “slingshot model” of education is broken and how skill mapping and lifelong learning are the future

 • How immersive, 3D digital learning experiences will replace today’s flat, two-dimensional interactions

Resources:

Subscribe to the AI & The Future of Work NewsletterConnect with Dave on LinkedInAI fun fact articleOn leveraging AI to create more time in your day • Other resources mentioned in this conversation:
 • [With Dave Marchick, Dean of the Kogod School of Business] - 
On How AI is Changing AcademiaLost in Transition: Fixing the “Learn to Earn” Skills Gap

346: Learning and teaching transformed by AI: the Future of Higher Education with Dave Treat, Pearson CTO

In this special compilation of AI and the Future of Work, we spotlight four unicorn CEOs who’ve disrupted entire industries using artificial intelligence—while building cultures of urgency, resilience, and relentless innovation.

From scrappy beginnings to billion-dollar valuations, each founder shares what it really takes to build and scale in the AI era.

Featured Guests:

Wade Foster, Co-founder & CEO of Zapier - • Listen to the full conversation: 
https://www.buzzsprout.com/520474/episodes/14202937 • 

Jonathan Siddharth, CEO of Turing - • Listen to the full conversation: 
https://www.buzzsprout.com/520474/episodes/15084162 • 

May Habib, Co-founder & CEO of Writer - • Listen to the full conversation: 
https://www.buzzsprout.com/520474/episodes/13598374 • 

Arvind Jain, Co-founder & CEO of Glean - • Listen to the full conversation: 
https://www.buzzsprout.com/520474/episodes/12239379 • 

You’ll learn:

 • How successful founders turn early user feedback into fast growth
 • Why operating with urgency can be a competitive advantage in tech
 • What mindset shifts are needed to scale from startup to enterprise
 • How to lead through uncertainty, doubt, and high-pressure decisions
 • The role of resilience and focus in long-term company building
 • Why empowering teams and simplifying execution drives innovation

Whether you're building the next unicorn or leading change within your team, this episode is your behind-the-scenes pass to the mindset, strategy, and grit it takes to win.

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Inspired by something in this episode? Share your favorite insight on social and tag us. And don’t forget to subscribe for more conversations with the leaders shaping the future of work.

Other special compilation episodes:

Ethical AI in Hiring: How to Stay Compliant While Building a Fairer Future of Work (HR Day Special Episode)Data Privacy Day Special Episode: AI, Deepfakes & The Future of TrustThe Future of AI Ethics Special: Perspectives from Women Leaders in AI on Bias, Accountability & TrustWorld Health Day Special: How AI Is Making Healthcare Smarter, Cheaper, and KinderAI and Safety: How Responsible Tech Leaders Build Trustworthy Systems (National Safety Month Special)

Lessons from Four Unicorn CEOs Disrupting Massive Markets with AI (Special Episode)

Alex Buder Shapiro is the Chief People Officer at Jasper AI, a company with more than 100,000 customers using its AI-first marketing platform and over $125M raised. She is a forward-thinking people leader with a unique perspective on the role of HR and the future of teams, having served in the same position for six years at Flatiron Health and as an HR Business Partner Manager for nearly eight years at Google. Alex studied Political Psychology and Theatre Arts at the University of Pennsylvania.

In this conversation, we discuss:

 • How Alex’s early career at Google shaped her views on aligned incentives, experimentation, and building high-performing people cultures.
 • Why the employer and employee relationship has shifted dramatically in the last five years, from shared incentives to trade-offs driven by economic and social change.
 • Why AI adoption in the workplace creates both opportunities and anxieties, and how people leaders can design human-centered approaches to integrating AI.
 • The concept of “practicing at the top of your license” and how it applies to redesigning work in an AI-driven future.
 • How the next generation of employees will challenge and reshape workplace structures through their fluency with AI and new ways of learning, mentorship, and problem solving.
 • What responsible AI means for people leaders, including addressing bias, conscious adoption, and collective accountability.

Resources:

Subscribe to the AI & The Future of Work NewsletterConnect with Alex on LinkedInAI fun fact articleOn How To Build High Performance Organization with AI for the Tech Services • Past episodes mentioned in this conversation:
 • [With Dave Marchick, Dean of the Kogod School of Business] - 
On How AI is Changing Academia • [Bryan Power, Nextdoor’s Head of People] - 
On how AI is Reshaping Work and Job Loyalty •

345: Will AI Break or Rebuild Workplace Culture? Trust, Incentives, and the Future of Teams with Alex Buder Shapiro, Chief People Officer at Jasper AI

Paolo Ardoino is the CEO of Tether, the company behind the ticker symbol USDT, the world’s largest stablecoin. He also serves as CTO of the cryptocurrency exchange Bitfinex and co-founded Holepunch, a platform for peer-to-peer applications. Ardoino holds a Master’s in Computer Science from the University of Genoa and is one of the most visible proponents of improving the banking system with cryptocurrencies.

In this conversation, we discuss:

 • How Paolo built the infrastructure behind the world’s most used stablecoin and why he believes math, not politics, should govern money

 • Why he believes Bitcoin is the first form of money governed by math, and how that math could reshape global finance

 • How USDT became the most used digital dollar by solving practical challenges in regions with limited banking access

 • Why Paolo believes traditional finance is broken and how decentralized tech offers a more inclusive infrastructure

 • The case for brain–computer interfaces and why Paolo sees human and AI symbiosis as the next frontier of intelligence

 • Why he’s optimistic about AI’s role in society, even as he argues that long term AI safety might be an illusion

Resources:

Subscribe to the AI & The Future of Work NewsletterConnect with Paolo on LinkedIn • or on 
XAI fun fact articleOn How to Ensure the AI and Workplace Technologies Align with Civil Rights Laws

344: Can Decentralized AI Fix Banking? Crypto, Brain OS, and the Future of Finance with Paolo Ardoino, Tether CEO

Kyle Daigle is the Chief Operating Officer at GitHub, the world’s largest host of source code with more than 100 million developers and 420 million repositories. He joined GitHub in 2013 and later served as VP of Strategy and Chief of Staff to the CEO, playing a key role in the company’s 2018 acquisition by Microsoft. Kyle is also the public face of GitHub Copilot, the AI coding assistant launched in 2021 that now helps over 15 million users. Earlier in his career, he was a partner at Digitalworkbox and VP of Product Development at Geezeo.

In this conversation, we discuss:

 • Kyle’s journey from studying fine arts to leading operations at the world’s largest code platform
 • Why GitHub Copilot is about freeing developers to focus on creativity and solving meaningful problems
 • What it means to bring pragmatism into AI development and why usefulness always wins over hype
 • How AI is lowering the barriers to software creation while keeping humans at the center of accountability
 • The responsibility of platforms like GitHub to protect users from flawed code and teach safe coding by design
 • Kyle’s vision for “ambient AI” and why the future should feel personal, context-aware, and privacy-conscious

Resources:

Subscribe to the AI & The Future of Work NewsletterConnect with Kyle on LinkedInAI fun fact articleOn How to Discuss Regulation for LLMs and Legal Advice for Entrepreneurs • Past episodes mentioned in this conversation: [With Patty Hatter, tech exec/board member/advisor] - 
On the best advice for women in technology •

350: What Comes After AGI? A Vision for a Freedom-Based Economy with Jad Tarifi, Co-Founder of Integral AI

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