In this bonus episode, Leo interviews expert Jocelyn Glei, who has shifted her expertise from productivity to a slower, deeper approach to work.

This is an incredible episode filled with wisdom and tools for accessing a deeper creativity. Must listen! Topics Covered • Leo interviews Jocelyn Glei, a former productivity expert who transitioned to a more transformative, slower approach to work • Jocelyn's background includes working with 99U, creating the 99U conference, and writing a book on email productivity • Jocelyn's burnout led her to start the "Hurry Slowly" podcast and explore personal and collective transformation • The importance of moving away from mainstream productivity and embracing a slower, more inquisitive, and heartfelt approach to work • The shift from productivity to receptivity and how it can lead to more efficient and sustainable outcomes • Restorative activities that involve doing something different to refresh one's mindset • Fear, particularly related to scheduling and deadlines, as a common obstacle to maintaining a receptive state during work • The limitations of the expert mode, which can be rigid and uncreative • Leaning towards the experimental side to open up opportunities for creativity and learning from creative mistakes • The fear associated with not having a strict plan but highlights the beauty in unexpected outcomes • The importance of self-trust and leaning into imperfections • Creating systems to collect and revisit creative insights

Resources • Jocelyn's podcast, Hurry SlowlyJocelyn's brilliant newsletterHer RESET course Connect with Leo Zen Habits

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Email [email protected] Resources The Fearless Living Academy Credits Intro music composition: Salem Beladonna & Robrecht Dumarey

Editor: Justin Cruz