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Strong Towns

Join Abby Newsham, Chuck Marohn and occasional surprise guests to talk in depth about one big story from the week in the Strong Towns conversation, right when you want it: now.

Upzoned

The Tulsa Remote program pays remote workers $10,000 to relocate to Tulsa for a year. A study found that, for every dollar spent, Tulsa sees $4.31 in economic benefits, including increased local spending, tax revenue, and job creation. Abby is joined by John Pattinson, Strong Towns’ community builder, discuss whether this kind of program is a smart way to boost the local economy.

ADDITIONAL SHOW NOTES

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The Economic Benefits of Paying Workers to Move • ” by Rthvika Suvarna and Fola Akinnibi, Bloomberg CityLab (May 2025).
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Abby Newsham • (X/Twitter).
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This podcast is made possible by Strong Towns members. Click here to learn more about membership.

Tulsa Offers Remote Workers $10K To Move. Is It Paying Off?

As baby boomers downsize, relocate, or pass away, millions of homes are projected to rejoin the housing market by 2030, potentially exceeding housing demand by 1 million homes. In today's episode, Chuck and Abby discuss how generational shifts affect the housing market, what an excess of supply could mean for cities' financial stability, and how a simple "build, build, build" mindset could cause serious problems down the line.

ADDITIONAL SHOW NOTES

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Forget YIMBY. The housing shortage could disappear on its own. • ” by Robert Showah, The Washington Post (September 2025).
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Abby Newsham • (X/Twitter).
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Chuck Marohn • (Substack)

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This podcast is made possible by Strong Towns members. Click here to learn more about membership.

Housing Supply Is About to Exceed Demand. Now What?

For years, investors and speculators shaped Canada's housing market. But now, people who actually live in those homes are beginning to have more influence. Today, Abby is joined by Norm Van Eeden Petersman, Strong Towns' director of membership and a Canadian, to discuss how this shift happened, how it'll affect Canada's housing market, and the implications for the rest of North America.

ADDITIONAL SHOW NOTES

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End-users, rather than investors, expected to drive Vancouver housing market higher • ” by Kerry Gold, The Globe and Mail (September 2025).
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Abby Newsham • (X/Twitter).
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Norm Van Eeden Petersman • (LinkedIn)
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Theme Music by Kemet the Phantom • .

 

This podcast is made possible by Strong Towns members. Click here to learn more about membership.

Can a Tax on House Flipping Stop Canada's Housing Crisis?

Several high-profile members of the government have been accused of committing mortgage fraud recently, including Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton and Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook. Today, Chuck and Abby explore how mortgage fraud distorts the housing market, why it happens so frequently — and why no one in the financial system is interested in stopping it.

ADDITIONAL SHOW NOTES

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“Ken Paxton Claimed Three Houses as His Primary Residence, Records Show” by Pooja Salhotra, The New York Times (July 2025).
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“Mortgage-Fraud Accusations Are Trump’s New Political Weapon” by Gina Heeb and Brian Schwartz, The Wall Street Journal (August 2025).
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Chuck Marohn (Substack)
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Abby Newsham (X/Twitter).
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Theme Music by Kemet the Phantom.
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This podcast is made possible by Strong Towns members. Click here to learn more about membership.

How Mortgage Fraud Makes the Housing Market More Expensive

Join Abby and guest John Pattison as they dive into the benefits and drawbacks of "sponge cities," cities that incorporate natural features like wetlands into their stormwater management infrastructure. Is this method more resilient in the long term? Do the benefits outweigh the massive cost? How does this relate to the incremental, bottom-up approach? They’ll cover all this and more in today’s episode of Upzoned.

ADDITIONAL SHOW NOTES

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“‘Sponge City’: Copenhagen Adapts to a Wetter Future” by Paul Hockenos, Yale Environment 360 (July 2025).
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Abby Newsham (X/Twitter).
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Theme Music by Kemet the Phantom.
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This podcast is made possible by Strong Towns members. Click here to learn more about membership.

Are Sponge Cities the Flood Control Fix We Need?

Data centers power everything from cloud computing to artificial intelligence, and they use a massive amount of electricity, sometimes even rivaling major cities. Watchdogs claim that tech companies aren’t absorbing the costs of this electricity use, causing rate payers’ electricity bills to spike as they’re forced to subsidize these data centers. Today, Edward and Abby discuss the far-reaching implications of this kind of land use.

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“As electric bills rise, evidence mounts that data centers share blame. States feel pressure to act.” by Marc Levy, AP News (August 2025).
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Want to bring the conversation to your community? Book Edward as a speaker.
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Abby Newsham (X/Twitter).
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Theme Music by Kemet the Phantom.
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This podcast is made possible by Strong Towns members. Click here to learn more about membership.

Why Data Center Electricity Use "Scares Me to the Bone"

Colorado's population is rapidly aging. Soon, one in five people in the state will be be over 65 years old. Limited housing stock means seniors are stuck in too-large homes that they can’t afford to maintain. In turn, that means there’s fewer large homes for younger families who need them.

Today, Abby is joined by Katy Clagett, an incremental developer originally from Colorado who’s working to develop infill housing options for seniors. They discuss what Colorado’s situation means for communities and how we can reshape housing to be more adaptable to the needs of all age groups.

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“As Colorado ages, seniors are colliding with the housing crisis” by Brian Eason, The Colorado Sun (June 2025).
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Learn how to create a more flexible housing market.
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Katy Claggett
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Abby Newsham (X/Twitter).
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Theme Music by Kemet the Phantom.
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This podcast is made possible by Strong Towns members. Click here to learn more about membership.

Why Colorado Is Facing a Senior Housing Crisis

In January 2025, wildfires swept across Los Angeles with record-breaking destruction. To encourage swift rebuilding, Governor Newsom suspended environmental regulations. But six months later, only a fraction of homeowners have even received permits, let alone started the rebuilding process. Chuck is joined by Edward Erfurt, Strong Towns’ chief technical advisor, to talk about why, as well as the deeper challenges of rebuilding in fire-prone areas.

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“Why it’s taking LA so long to rebuild” by Umair Irfan, Vox (July 2025).
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Want to bring the conversation to your community? Book Chuck or Edward as a speaker.
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Abby Newsham (X/Twitter).
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Theme Music by Kemet the Phantom.
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This podcast is made possible by Strong Towns members. Click here to learn more about membership.

Why LA Is Struggling To Rebuild 6 Months After Wildfires

In Lincoln County, South Dakota, a growing agriculture company is being charged $50,000 annually for wear and tear on township roads caused by the company's trucks and machinery.

Abby and Edward discuss the balancing act between infrastructure costs and municipal budgets, especially in rural areas with few taxpayers. They explore the public process behind this kind of decision and offer suggestions on how it could be improved.

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“Milk facility to pay $50,000 for road use” by Rae Yost, KELOLAND (July 2025).
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Want to bring the conversation to your community? Book Edward as a speaker.
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Abby Newsham (X/Twitter).
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Theme Music by Kemet the Phantom.
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This podcast is made possible by Strong Towns members. Click here to learn more about membership.

Want To Use This Rural Road? That’ll Be $50K

Sunbelt cities like Phoenix, Dallas, and Atlanta have long prided themselves on having affordable and abundant housing. However, they’re now seeing stagnation in housing construction and rapidly rising costs. Today, Abby is joined by Rachel Leonardo, a trained architect and Strong Towns’ video creator, to discuss how rigid single-use zoning has locked cities into expensive fragility. They explore whether these cities can course correct and how they could become more resilient and prosperous in the long-term.

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Here are 6 simple ways to make housing more affordable in your community.
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“Sprawl made the American Sunbelt affordable. Now it’s breaking it.” by Marina Bolotnikova, Vox (July 2025).
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See Rachel’s work:
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Studio Leonardo (YouTube)
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Strong Towns (YouTube)
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Abby Newsham (X/Twitter).
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Theme Music by Kemet the Phantom.
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This podcast is made possible by Strong Towns members. Click here to learn more about membership, including member-exclusive perks.

Tulsa Offers Remote Workers $10K To Move. Is It Paying Off?

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