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True Crime Bullsh** is a serialized, investigative podcast that aims to identify the missing victims of serial killer Israel Keyes. Host Josh Hallmark has spent close to a decade combing through FBI files, analyzing interrogation videos, and working with experts in the field in this comprehensive and ground-breaking podcast.

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True Crime Bullsh**

Josh makes an announcement about this season and next season of the show. Then shares the entire 3/17/2012 interview between Keyes and the Texas Rangers.

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Israel Keyes - March 17, 2012 / TCB Announcement

On November 29, 2012, Keyes gave what would be his final FBI interview. It is one of his most revealing, both in his candor about his crimes and in his tells and contradictions. In this interview, Keyes discusses Crescent Lake, four Washington victims, Tupper Lake, blood found on his boat, knives he used in murders, maps found in his Constable house, and more. There are also some very interesting conversations surrounding items found at the Constable house, and further evidence that there was a New Hampshire cache trip after the Curriers.

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The Final Keyes Interview

The team returns to Texas to look at a case, which Jordan has been following for four years, that involves a suspicious death, an arson, and an abandoned house. And this case may just shed light on some of Keyes's odder travels and some new and unsettling information on the Azle bank robbery.

This episode was written, researched, and produced by Jordan Taylor. 
With editing and writing by Josh Hallmark. 
Additional research assistance by: Michelle Tooker. 

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SOURCES
• Houston Police Department Casefile, Case #030249612
• FBI interview with Israel Keyes: 07/12/12
• Harris County Office of Forensic Sciences Report 12-0671
• Houston Fire Department Report 12-0680736
• HOUSTON, TX Weather History | Weather underground. (n.d.). https://www.wunderground.com/history/daily/KHOU/date/2012-3-9
• Pinkerton, J. (2014, April 5). HPD sergeant fired, 7 other disciplined in murder case probe. Chon. Retrieved May 26, 2025, from https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/HPD-sergeant-fired-7-others-disciplined-in-5377253.php
• Pearson, L. (n.d.). Who came up with HPD’s “SL” code that suspended 264K cases? Panel identifies former assistant chief. https://abc13.com/amp/post/houston-police-suspended-cases-what-is-sl-code-lack-of-personnel-donald-mckinney/14822151/
• FBI interview with Israel Keyes: 07/10/2012
• James E. Lankford. (2011). Peak DB SPL of various Firearms (5 Miyara, F. (n.d.). A NOTE ON FIRECRACKER’S NOISE. https://www.fceia.unr.edu.ar/acustica/biblio/firecr1.htm
• In J Am Acad Audiology (Vol. 22, pp. 93–103). https://www.caohc.org/UserFiles/fileShot%20of%20Prevention%20extra%20handout.pdf
• Miyara, F. (n.d.). A NOTE ON FIRECRACKER’S NOISE. https://www.fceia.unr.edu.ar/acustica/biblio/firecr1.htm
• Azele Police Dept Case # 2012-961

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0713 | Houston

A case the team has been looking into for over four years, makes its podcast debut; where a crime in an Israel Keyes hotspot eerily matches a chapter from one of his favorite books.

This episode was written, researched, and produced by Michelle Tooker. 
Additional research, editing, and writing by Josh Hallmark. 
Research assistance by: Shana Wilensky and Jordan Taylor. 

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SOURCES
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/unsolved-jeffrey-mitchell-murder-sacramento-17382062.php
https://www.facebook.com/share/1GyTUQpCYZ/
https://www.dailydemocrat.com/2006/10/29/link-between-van-deputy-explored/?clearUserState=true
https://www.abc10.com/article/news/crime/unsolved-california-wife-of-murdered-deputy-shares-her-hope-for-justice-and-how-she-keeps-jeffrey-mitchells-legacy-alive/103-9e1af8e8-984b-4c1a-b69f-ec7cc64b9e85
https://ohp.parks.ca.gov/listedresources/detail/575
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/238696800/jeffrey\_vaughn-mitchell
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article2581679.html
https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/sacbee/name/allan-shubert-obituary?id=13658767
https://unresolved.me/deputy-jeffrey-mitchell
https://www.cbsnews.com/sacramento/news/sacramento-county-woman-vanished-2010-homicide-suspect-arrested/
https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/sacbee/name/allan-shubert-obituary?id=13658767

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0712 | Couples, Part 2

Josh is out sick and snowed in this week. So, in lieu of a new episode, we're sharing the entirety of the July 10, 2012 FBI interview with Keyes - which has been critical in our work this season. Topics include: The Deschutes attack, Keyes's first murder, the victim ruled accidental, his time in the Army, murders on his boat, and more.

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July 10, 2012

Josh and the team discuss how Israel Keyes used infrastructure maps to scout, hide and/or bury his caches and victims. This may just be the key to solving his crimes. 

This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark.
With additional research by Kathy Nation, Jordan Taylor, and Michelle Tooker.
This episode featured Kathy Nation, Jordan Taylor, Michelle Tooker, and Shana Wilensky.
 
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0711 | Infrastructure

For the month of December, True Crime creators are getting together for conversations about podcasting, true crime, and the nexus between the two. We’ll discuss creating our shows, behind-the-scenes moments, fears and hopes, the cases that have gripped us, and more.

In this conversation Amanda (Wine & Crime), Charlie (Crimelines), and Josh (True Crime Bullsh**) discuss: friendships in podcasting, war stories from the road, podcast advice, feeling misunderstood, weird purchases, pop culture, and more.

Enjoy this conversation and be sure to check out the rest:

• Jessie (Love Murder), Bob (Buried), Joshua (Somewhere in the Pines)
• Javier (Pretend), Kristen (Murder, She Told), Shaun (Sins & Survivors)
• Patrick (True Crime Obsessed), Josh (True Crime Bullsh**), Eric (True Consequences)
• Gillian (True Crime Obsessed), Alvin (Affirmative Murder), Lanie (True Crime Cases with Lanie)
• Robin (The Trail Went Cold), Nina (Already Gone), John (Sins & Survivors)
• Aaron (Generation Why), Lucy (Wine & Crime), Kristen (Murder, She Told)
• Amanda (Wine & Crime), Josh (True Crime Bullsh**), Andie (Love Murder), Charlie (Crimelines)

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True Crime Conversations: Amanda Jacobson, Charlie Worroll, Josh Hallmark (Ad-free & Early)

For the month of December, True Crime creators are getting together for conversations about podcasting, true crime, and the nexus between the two. We’ll discuss creating our shows, behind-the-scenes moments, fears and hopes, the cases that have gripped us, and more.

In this conversation we discuss: gay podcasting, advocacy and compassion in podcasting, dick pics, criticism, the genesis of our shows, our favorite podcasts of the year, and more. 

Enjoy this conversation and be sure to check out the rest:

• Jessie (Love Murder), Bob (Buried), Joshua (Somewhere in the Pines)
• Javier (Pretend), Kristen (Murder, She Told), Shaun (Sins & Survivors)
• Patrick (True Crime Obsessed), Josh (True Crime Bullsh**), Eric (True Consequences)
• Gillian (True Crime Obsessed), Alvin (Affirmative Murder), Lanie (True Crime Cases with Lanie)
• Robin (The Trail Went Cold), Nina (Already Gone), John (Sins & Survivors)
• Aaron (Generation Why), Lucy (Wine & Crime), Kristen (Murder, She Told)
• Amanda (Wine & Crime), Josh (True Crime Bullsh**), Andie (Love Murder), Charlie (Crimelines)

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True Crime Conversations: Eric Carter-Landin, Patrick Hinds, Josh Hallmark

Josh and team dissect various information and semantics surrounding Keyes's male-female couple. They circle back to Eugene Hyatt and Kami Vollendroff, and then deep-dive the disappearance of a Spokane couple. Then new information from a friend of Keyes gives the team a new perspective not on just the male-female couple and the vicitm ruled accidental, but potentially all of Keyes's unknown victims. 

This episode was written, researched, and produced by Josh Hallmark. 
With research by: Kathleen S. and Jordan Taylor
 
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RESOURCES
 • NAMUS
 • The Charley Project
 • Pacifi
corps.com • LowImpact
hydro.org • Dam
safety.org • The Washington state digital archives
 • The Spokesman Review

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0710 | Undercurrent

The FBI releases some surprising new information obtained from Keyes, including more maps. Josh begins connecting a handful of those maps to facts, theories, tips, and potential victims. 

This episode was written, researched, and produced by Josh Hallmark. 
With research by: Jordan Taylor, Michelle Tooker, and Kathleen S. 

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RESOURCES
NAMUS
The Charley Project

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The Final Keyes Interview

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