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Erika Ayers Badan

WORK Podcast offers real, and relatable insights into work, leadership, and culture from someone who’s been there and done that (mistakes included). Through interviews, commentary, and listener questions, Erika provides a funny, unfiltered and unapologetic look at how to be yourself and be successful. 

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Hi! Happy Friday! It’s sunny out on the East Coast which feels great. If I were in college right now I’d be wearing flip flops and shorts despite it being 40 degrees. Full spring energy. 

Speaking of, meet Emily Tisch Sussman. She’s fun, smart, fearless and not afraid of a big job, nor a pivot. She’s the owner of Gotham FC, a strategist and the host of She Pivots - a podcast about harnessing change and creating a life (and work) that works for you.

Give us a listen on your way home from work in your flip flops and shorts. 

xx Erika
 

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WORK Conversations: Emily Tisch Sussman

This episode is about the stuff people don’t say out loud. The resentment when your partner makes less than you. The panic before asking for a raise. The isolation of being the only woman in a room full of men.

These questions come from the Work Like a Girl Slack - a community of professional women asking the real questions women are grappling with at work.

If you've ever felt stuck asking for what you want, resentful about who does what, or exhausted trying to fit in where you don't belong, this one will feel familiar and hopefully useful.

This is WORK. Unsolicited Advice.

Watch full episode on YouTube.

 

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WORK Unsolicited Advice: More Money More Problems

Meet Danielle Fette. She’s the co-founder and CEO of FetTech, a medical device company. She and her husband got fired from their last job, used the settlement money to start their own company, and now they’re inventing products that help people heal naturally.

If you’ve ever wanted to leave a company that doesn’t put the things that you value first, or wondered what it takes to actually do it, this one’s worth your time.

This is WORK. Conversations.

 

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WORK Conversations: Meet Danielle Fette

First of all, Go Patriots. 

In today’s episode, we respond to David Rubenstein’s comments on being a great fundraiser. 

IMHO the fundamentals of being a great fundraiser are the fundamentals of being a great seller (and a great partner). 

Listening. 

Being solution oriented. 

Knowing your customer (or your audience). 

Having a point of view. 

Following up. 

Being present. 

Being willing to do the work to get things done. 

Fundraising is not magic. It is effort, clarity, and persistence.

This is WORK. Net/Net.

Watch full episode on YouTube. 

 

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WORK Net/Net: Always Be Closing

Today we are talking about narrative and numbers. And the tension between the two.

“Narrative driving numbers early in the life cycle and numbers driving narrative later.”

From Narrative and Numbers by Aswath Damodaran.

The idea is simple and also hard to live by. Narrative drives numbers early. Numbers drive narrative later. And that back and forth never really stops.

I think in narratives. I like numbers, but I like narratives better. Narrative is another way of saying vision. Or purpose. Or the dream. It is what you tell yourself. What you tell your family. What you tell other people. It is what fuels you when you do not have much else to work with.

Narrative matters most at the beginning. When you are building something new. When it is just an idea. When all you have is belief and how hard you are willing to grind to get there. But numbers matter too. Because if the numbers do not map to the narrative, the narrative is fake. And eventually the numbers build a story of their own.

The same thing applies to people. You can have a vision for your life. A dream. A story about where you are going. But if your behavior and your numbers do not support it, something is off. The narrative is not wrong. It just needs to be checked.

The point is not to abandon the narrative. You never do. The point is to keep it honest. To let numbers inform it without killing it. To let the story evolve without lying to yourself about what is actually happening.

Narrative fuels you. Numbers keep you honest. You need both.

This is WORK. Underlined.

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WORK Underlined: Narrative and Numbers

Search traffic is down, referral traffic is drying up, platforms are changing their rules, people are evaluating what to do…and what’s next.

Emily Kirkpatrick is one of these people. She left a big, recognizable job in dramatic fashion, went fully independent, and built a real living on Substack and YouTube. No ads. No corporate overhang. Just her voice, her point of view, and a direct relationship with her audience.

We talk about the economics of independence. What happens when traffic disappears. And why so many writers, creators, and journalists are fleeing big institutions in favor of owning their work and their audiences.

We also get into taste. Celebrity fashion. Stylists. Publicists. Rage bait. Samples that do not fit. The strange incentives that shape what we see on red carpets and why so much of it feels off. And how being honest about what you actually like is harder and more valuable than chasing relevance.

This is WORK. Conversations.
 

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WORK Conversations: It's All A Mess - Meet Emily Kirkpatrick

Gen Z is resisting the workplace emergency and honestly, they are not wrong.

On today’s episode, we talk about Gen Z and their refusal to get wrapped up in manufactured chaos of work. 

No all nighters. No dropping everything. No pretending every problem is catastrophic. Their perspective is simple: Nobody is dying from this.I love a problem at work and a get down into the trench - there’s only one way out of this - type situation. I find them intense and invigorating and an opportunity to be a part of something hard fought and in some instances, hard won. I also believe these are the best ways to experience and learn from greatness. The people who can dig deep and rise to an occasion are endlessly inspiring. That said, I’m a weirdo. Distance from work can be healthy. Too many workplaces run on adrenaline, drama, and fake urgency. Too many people confuse stress with importance. Too many trenches aren’t deep enough and the payoff from being in one is unclear. I get this and appreciate it. But there is a flip side. When you are trying to build something, apathy is dangerous. Teams can break when some people care deeply and others do the bare minimum. Accountability gets uneven. Resentment builds. We talk about where responsibility actually comes from. Clear ownership. Clear stakes. Being honest about what matters and what does not. When people feel connected to both the reward and the consequence, regardless of generation or circumstance, they show up.We also talk about managers. Passionate ones. Perfunctory ones. What you can learn from both. And why working for someone who truly does not care is one of the most dangerous career moves you can make. Gen Z isn’t apathetic - maybe it’s that they haven’t been given enough of a reason or clear enough purpose or motivation to care.

This is WORK. Net/Net.

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WORK Net/Net: Gen Z Says Take Your Work Emergency and Shove It

This is an episode for people grappling with how to manage and how to embrace AI. 

Good managers in the future will seamlessly balance being human, creative, fallible, empathetic and visionary with tools, systems and services which automate all that isn’t differentiated nor distinct.

 Managers and people who refuse to adapt and evolve will be extinct in a workplace soon to be fueled by agents (and not the good looking Hollywood kind).Good managers use AI to buy time and insight. 

Bad ones either ignore it or dump garbage prompts into it and call that progress.The myth of management is that more people equals more power. 

The reality that managing people is hard, bureaucratic, and often inefficient. The future of good leadership looks like fewer people doing better work, supported by better tools.This is WORK. 

Unsolicited Advice.

 

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WORK Unsolicited Advice: You Are The Problem (and the Solution)

Meet Selena Rezvani. She is a leadership coach, four time author, and someone who spends a lot of time thinking about why work feels harder than it needs to be.

We talk about suffering at work.

We talk about why people are suffering at work and what suffering at work even means.

We talk about side hustles and life rafts.

We talk about the loss of trust and optimism.

We talk about Gen Z (obviously).

This is WORK. Conversations.
 

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WORK Conversations: Why Suffer At Work?

The most vibrant channel on Work Like A Girl’s slack is the working mom channel. It’s also the most honest, acute and to the point. It goes something like this:

One woman says - I need help.

The others say - I got you.

In this episode of Net Net we talk about the politicization of the mom brand and the idea of motherhood - namely: Motherhood as a proxy for what women should want, do and be.

Being a parent is hard. It takes patience, sacrifice, energy, and restraint. It also requires juggling more variables than most jobs ever will.

What’s interesting to me is how women are increasingly becoming pitted against one another based on how they do it. Or if they decide to do it.

There’s no one way for women to grow and flourish. The same is true for kids. The real work is creating systems that support different choices, different needs and different outcomes.

This is WORK. Net Net.

 

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WORK Net/Net: Mother F*ucker

On today’s episode Erika is joined by Diana Keen and Liz Moore, founding members of the Roots & Wings Foundation! Diana shares her story of being diagnosed with Stage IV Metastatic Inflammatory Breast Cancer and how she's transformed a short prognosis into 6 years of fighting. To learn more about Diana and her foundation, visit www.rootswingsfoundation.org.

You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/tokenceo

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