Ep 9: Daniel Elizondo on Narrative Control, The Secret Onion, and Vallée's Forbidden Science

In this episode, researcher and Loose Threads co-author Daniel Elizondo joins us for a far-reaching conversation about UFO secrecy, the architecture of disinformation, and the psychological terrain of the phenomenon itself.

We dig into Jacques Vallée’s “Secret Onion”—a layered model of compartmentalization that explains how information is controlled and obscured within intelligence structures—and explore how narrative control operates both externally through infotainment and internally through belief, seduction, and epistemic vulnerability.

Daniel breaks down the long history of rug pulls, the weaponization of mystery, and what it means to resist the gravitational pull of being “the one” to break the story. We also talk Forbidden Science, Skywatcher, and the invisible handshake between researchers and the phenomenon they seek to understand.

If you’ve ever wondered who controls the narrative—or if you’re part of it—this episode is for you.

📚 Resources and References

Loose Threads • by Daniel Elizondo and the Hermetic Penetrator Forbidden Science 6: Scattered Castles • by Jacques Vallée UFOs: Past, Present, and Future • by Robert Emenegger

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TIMESTAMPS 02:24 Sky Watcher and UFO Community Skepticism 08:48 Historical Precedents in UFO Disclosure 10:30 The Holloman Air Force Base Incident 14:35 Challenges in UFO Disclosure and Infotainment 21:45 Personal Experiences and Intelligence Community Interactions 30:58 Navigating the Insider's Club and Forbidden Science 33:08 The Repeated Revelations of Jacques Vallee 35:25 The Evolution of the Invisible College 39:57 The Secret Onion: Layers of Secrecy 49:46 The Phenomenon and Human Curiosity 56:57 The Control Mechanism: Micro and Macro Perspectives 01:01:45 Conclusion and Final Thoughts