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Robert Peston and Steph McGovern bring you insightful business and finance stories.
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The Rest Is Money

Why are financial markets still failing to price in the true economic costs of "Trump’s war"? How is the UK facing a "double whammy" of both higher interest rates and declining living standards? Why is it considered "ludicrous" to believe the economy could return to normal quickly, even if the war ended tomorrow?

Robert and Steph are joined by Mohamed El-Erian for an urgent deep dive into what the government can do to reduce the economic harm caused by the Iran war. Together, they assess the hit to global growth, and how rising energy and food prices will widen inequalities between British households.

The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer.

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260. Iran War: why the poor will suffer

Trump appears to be chickening out again, but has he stopped the wild market fluctuations? Is there another way to move vital energy and commodities that doesn’t involve going through the Strait of Hormuz? How much damage has already been done to the global economy? And what does it mean for your mortgage?

Robert and Steph discuss the latest market turmoil and the wave of companies invoking a “force majeure" clause to suspend contracts. Plus, as ever, they look at what all of this means for the UK economy.

The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer.

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259. BONUS: Trump's War - why it's making us poorer

Why is AI changing every job? Why is it insane that schools ban students from using it? How did Marc Warner grow his British tech leader Faculty AI into a £1bn-plus company?

Robert and Steph talk exclusively to Marc Warner as he sells Faculty AI to the world’s biggest management consultancy Accenture, hear how he and his data team persuaded Boris Johnson to lock down at the start of Covid, and how the NHS has destroyed the early warning system he built.

The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer.

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258. How AI changes everything we should teach kids

Why hasn’t there been a dramatic increase in the price of oil since Iran’s retaliation aimed at key oil facilities and waterways? Are investors right not to worry too much yet? What will it take to end this? And following Trump’s fury at Starmer over his reluctance to let them use UK air bases, is the special relationship over? 

With the continued unrest in the Middle East, Robert and Steph analyse the reaction of investors and look at what it means for the global economy. Plus they discuss whether this makes Rachel Reeves’ spring statement redundant.

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257. Iran War: Are investors getting it wrong?

What are the consequences for oil and gas prices of Iran’s retaliation? Will the primary impact be higher inflation or lower growth, and what does this mean for interest rates? And are we heading for a stock market crash?

Robert and Steph also explain why the war is a nightmare for Rachel Reeves as she prepares tomorrow’s spring statement and for Starmer’s hopes of reducing the cost of living

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256. Will Trump’s war on Iran sink markets and the global economy?

Did Trump’s two hour ‘state of the union’ speech tell us anything we didn’t know? What’s next for trade tariffs? Will anyone get a tariff refund? And where does all this leave Keir Starmer and his 2025 trade deals with the US?

With the US Supreme Court ruling that Trump overstepped his authority, Robert and Steph discuss what impact trade tariffs have had so far and whether Trump’s new 15% universal tariff will carry any weight. Plus we hear from UK manufacturers about how they’re feeling in all this trade chaos.

The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer.

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255. Trump trade tariffs - who is calling the shots?

What is the secret to scaling a startup into the next Google, Youtube or Airbnb? Why do you need an American on your board to be as successful as them? And what is Trump really motivated by? Plus why being an outsider can be a superpower in business. 

Sir Michael Moritz ran Sequoia Capital for over 35 years and is one of the world’s most successful venture capitalists - he talks to Steph about the convulsive context of Trump’s America, what it takes to become one of the Magnificent Seven and how his family’s escape from Nazi Germany led to an inherited despair that powered him through business - as featured in his new book Ausländer.

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254. The outsider’s edge: How Sir Michael Moritz built a billion-dollar empire

What impact does migration have on the UK economy? Are we heading for net-zero migration and does it matter? Is the so called ‘brain drain’ a real thing? And why do politicians love talking about immigration so much? 

Madeline Sumption MBE - Director of Oxford University’s Migration Observatory - talks to Steph about the complex reality behind the numbers. And as they delve into the stats they also look at the politicisation of immigration and discuss what immigration policy is really for.

The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer.

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253. The truth about immigration - who is coming and who is leaving?

Why can’t the UK shake its "confidence rut" despite having a £1 trillion savings buffer? How are global "populist" spending trends forcing the bond market to act as a fiscal referee? And is the UK actually poised to become an AI superpower?

In this episode, Robert and Steph welcome back Karen Ward, Chief Market Strategist for EMEA at J.P. Morgan Asset Management and former advisor to the Chancellor. The discussion dives deep into the 'split personality' of the UK economy, where high financial stability in the private sector is juxtaposed with a pervasive lack of confidence in government by consumers and business.

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252. The £1 trillion war chest: why the UK is stronger than you think

How did friend of the show, tax lawyer Dan Neidle, manage to discover the true extent of Peter Mandelson’s connections to Jeffrey Epstein? What crucial information has Dan pieced together using Blackberry signatures and time zones that reveal what some redacted elements tried to cover up? Has Dan discovered the real reason why Mandelson was prepared to forward sensitive emails almost immediately to the disgraced financier and sex offender?

Robert, Steph and Dan discuss how some diligent investigation from Dan contributed to the biggest political and financial scandal in recent times.

Search Mandelson’s Epstein emails using Dan’s tool on the Tax Policy Associates website: https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2026/02/11/epstein-files-mandelson-email-search/

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252. The £1 trillion war chest: why the UK is stronger than you think

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