How do ordinary people become dangerous extremists? Former FBI agent Scott Payne infiltrated America's most violent hate groups and reveals their playbook.
What We Discuss with Scott Payne:
• Scott Payne worked as an undercover FBI agent infiltrating various extremist organizations • , including white supremacists like the KKK and accelerationists such as The Base, which aimed to trigger societal collapse and establish a white ethnostate.
• Accelerationist groups differ from traditional white supremacist organizations • in that they don't believe in political solutions, but train for violence and "Boogaloo" (race war), preparing with tactical gear and weapons while planning attacks on infrastructure and targeted individuals.
• During his undercover work, Scott encountered disturbing rituals and behaviors • , including a goat sacrifice during which members drank blood and took LSD as part of a neo-pagan ceremony associated with white supremacist ideology.
• White supremacist recruitment often targets vulnerable individuals from broken homes who are seeking belonging and connection • , with online platforms like Telegram and Gab serving as recruitment grounds where extremist content can radicalize disaffected youth.
• Deescalation and communication skills proved to be Scott's most valuable tools throughout his career. • His experience shows that even in hostile environments, the ability to talk through situations and remain calm under pressure is often more effective than physical confrontation — a skill anyone can develop and apply to their own difficult interactions. •
• And much more...
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