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Larry Hagner

The Dad Edge Podcast is a movement. It is a strong community of Fathers who all share a set of values.

Larry Hagner, founder of The Dad Edge, breaks down common challenges of fatherhood, making them easy to understand and overcome.  Tackling the world of Fatherhood can be a daunting task when we try to do it alone.

The mission of The Dad Edge Podcast is to help you become the best, strongest, and happiest version of yourself so that you can help guide your kids to the best version of themselves. Simple as that.  

Everything you need and all of our resources can be found at thedadedge.com/podcast

The Dad Edge Podcast

In this episode, I sit down with Adam Adler — Charleston-based founder, private equity investor, and dad of two — and his ten-year-old daughter Isla, who is not just the inspiration behind their app Wyzly but an active co-founder and integral part of the business. Yes, you read that right. A ten-year-old co-founded a company. And when you hear the idea, you'll understand why.
 
At seven years old, Isla asked a simple question: what if kids could earn screen time by learning first? That question became Wyzly — a learn-to-earn platform that ends daily screen time battles without punishment, restriction, or power struggles. Instead of ripping the device away, Wyzly locks the apps and gives kids 5 to 10 curriculum-aligned questions to answer — specific to their grade, school, and school district — before the device unlocks. The whole thing takes about five minutes. The bunny runs across the screen, and the apps open back up.
 
We dig into what too much screen time is actually doing to kids' brains, why the lock-and-block method always fails, and why giving kids the power to earn their own screen time changes everything. We also cover how the parent portal works, how Wyzly compares to Bark, and what's coming next — including avatars, brand partnerships, and Android.
 
Larry has been using it with his 10 and 12 year old and it's already changing behavior, reducing anxiety, and eliminating the daily battle.
 
Use code DAD20 when you download Wyzly for 20% off the $6.99 monthly membership.
 
 
 
Timeline Summary
 
[0:00] Introduction to the Dad Edge mission and the movement to raise leaders of families and communities
 
[1:02] Meet Isla — ten-year-old competitive gymnast, co-founder, and the brains behind Wyzly
 
[4:24] Adam's background — private equity investor, founder, and dad of two girls
 
[8:22] The idea that started it all — a seven-year-old's question that no app had ever answered
 
[13:06] Why Adam went looking for the app in the App Store first — and what he found
 
[15:48] Larry's firsthand experience using Wyzly with his 10 and 12 year old — and what changed
 
[16:21] Two plus years building a category that didn't exist — and thousands of downloads in 60 days
 
[19:44] How Wyzly actually works — what the device does, how the bunny unlocks the screen, and why kids love it
 
[21:14] What makes it different — curriculum and school district specific questions powered by their own AI
 
[23:03] How many questions, how long it takes, and what happens when you get them wrong
 
[27:45] Why Wyzly flips the script — from power struggle to collaboration
 
[29:12] Available now for kindergarten through sixth grade — and what's coming next
 
[31:20] What too much screen time is actually doing to kids' brains — from Isla and Adam's firsthand experience
 
[35:07] The data Wyzly is collecting on brain breaks and how they're helping kids regulate better
 
[38:36] How Wyzly compares to Bark — and the key difference in the learn-to-earn model
 
[41:03] No Family Sharing required — scan a QR code and it works instantly
 
[47:34] Isla's next big idea inside the app — customizable avatars earned through points, with brand partnerships coming
 
 
 
Five Key Takeaways
 
 1. The lock-and-block method doesn't work. Ripping away a device causes rage and resentment — it doesn't teach kids anything. Giving kids the ability to earn their screen time changes the entire dynamic from power struggle to collaboration.
 2. Too much uninterrupted screen time changes your child's behavior, attitude, and anxiety levels — and most parents can see it clearly but don't have a sustainable tool to address it.
 3. A five-minute learning break before screen time is not a punishment. It's a speed bump — and kids who earn their time actually look forward to the process rather than resenting the restriction.
 4. School district and grade-specific AI-powered questions mean your child is reinforcing exactly what they're learning in school right now — not generic content that may or may not be relevant.
 5. Giving kids ownership changes everything. When a child earns their own screen time, they don't need to run to mom or dad and beg. The battle disappears because the child is empowered.
 
 
 
Links & Resources
 
 • Download Wyzly on the App Store: 
https://www.wyzly.app/ • — use code 
DAD20 • for 20% off the $6.99/month membership
 • Wyzly on Instagram: 
https://www.instagram.com/wyzly.app/ • Episode Link & Resources (Episode 1472): 
https://thedadedge.com/1472 
 
 
Closing
 
If there's one message from this episode that stands out, it's this: the screen time battle in your house doesn't have to be a battle at all.
 
A seven-year-old saw the problem clearly and asked the right question. What if kids could earn it instead of just have it taken away? Three years later, that question is a real app, changing real behavior in real homes — including Larry's.
 
Download Wyzly, use code DAD20 for 20% off, and let your kids earn it.
 
Go out and live legendary.

The App a Ten Year Old Helped Build That Is Ending Screen Time Battles in Real Homes featuring Adam Adler

In this episode, I sit down with Bill and Danielle Beer — a married couple of 20 years, parents of five, and one of the most genuinely connected pairs we've ever had on this show. Bill is a physician and Dad Edge Alliance member of four and a half years. Danielle is a former military spouse, internal processor, and the kind of woman who quietly holds everything together while pushing her husband to go take care of himself.
 
Their story starts in college — Bill surviving leukemia at 16, making his own treatment decisions to preserve his fertility, and then secretly applying to the cancer camp where Danielle was a counselor. That same dock where they had their first kiss is where Bill proposed three years later. Twenty years and five kids later, they're still building — and they're willing to talk about all of it.
 
We get into what Bill was actually like before the Alliance — the poking, the picking fights when he needed connection but didn't have the vocabulary, the "happy wife happy life" mentality taken to such an extreme that Danielle stopped sharing hard days because she didn't want to be the reason Bill felt like he was failing. We talk about the weekly marriage meeting, ballroom dancing as a date night game changer, why they go to counseling when nothing is broken, and the moment Bill's 16-year-old daughter looked at him at the grocery store and said "your needs matter, dad."
 
This one is warm, funny, real, and deeply practical.
 
 
 
Timeline Summary
 
[0:00] Introduction to the Dad Edge mission and the movement to raise leaders of families and communities
 
[1:02] What Bill was looking for when he joined the Alliance — and the nudge Danielle gave him
 
[6:33] Bill's leukemia diagnosis at 16 and the treatment decision he made to preserve his fertility
 
[11:39] How they met at a cancer camp — and how Bill secretly applied after their first conversation
 
[12:37] The dock proposal — same spot as their first kiss, fake run, hidden photographer
 
[15:47] 20 years married, five kids, and a surprise trip to Hawaii Bill planned entirely himself
 
[24:13] The moment Bill heard something in the group that Danielle had said for years — and why it landed differently
 
[27:30] What poking and picking fights actually was — Bill seeking connection without the vocabulary to ask for it
 
[29:51] Happy wife happy life taken too far — how it created pressure on Danielle and closed her off
 
[33:37] The shift from avoiding divorce to asking "how do I actually want to be married?"
 
[36:16] The weekly marriage meeting — appreciations, needs, big three, then logistics
 
[38:07] Larry and Jessica in counseling right now — not because something is broken, but because the season demands it
 
[40:38] Ballroom dancing as recreational intimacy — and why going even when you're annoyed always works
 
[44:15] What Danielle finds most attractive about how Bill has evolved
 
[46:11] Bill's people-pleasing taken to the extreme — and the day his 16-year-old daughter said "your needs matter, dad"
 
[52:50] What they're most excited about for the next 20 years — and the four-year-old who starts every dinner with appreciations
 
 
 
Five Key Takeaways
 
 1. Your wife can't be your only outlet. When she carries everything you can't process, she runs out of capacity — and eventually stops sharing her own hard days because she doesn't want to be the reason you feel like you're failing.
 2. Happy wife happy life taken too far puts undue pressure on your spouse to perform happiness for your peace of mind. Happy spouse, happy house — everybody's needs matter, including yours.
 3. The shift from avoiding divorce to intentionally building a marriage changes everything. Stop asking "are we okay?" and start asking "how do I actually want to be married?"
 4. Recreational intimacy — doing something physical or creative together before a date — puts connection on steroids. The conversation that follows feels completely different than sitting down cold.
 5. Your needs matter. When a man learns to take care of himself, he comes back better every single time — for his wife, his kids, and everyone around him.
 
 
 
Links & Resources
 
 • Dad Edge Alliance & Business Boardroom: 
https://thedadedge.com/mastermind • The Men's Forge: 
https://themensforge.com • Episode Link & Resources (Episode 1471): 
https://thedadedge.com/1471 
 
 
Closing
 
If there's one message from this episode that stands out, it's this: marriage and fatherhood are learnable skills — and it is never too late to start learning them.
 
Bill Beer survived cancer at 16, spent the first decade of his marriage white-knuckling happiness for everyone around him, and then decided to go do the work. And what Danielle noticed wasn't a different man — it was more of the man she fell in love with on that dock.
 
That's the goal. Not perfection. Not arriving. Just more of who you actually are, showing up more consistently, for the people who matter most.
 
Go out and live legendary.

"Happy Wife Happy Life" Is Actually Destroying Your Marriage featuring Bill & Danielle Beer

In this episode, I sit down with Doug Boneparth — CFP, founder of Bona Fide Wealth, CNBC and Investopedia financial advisory council member, co-author of Money Together with his wife Heather, and one of the most refreshingly honest voices on money, marriage, and family I've ever had on this show.
 
We open with a fact that stops most people cold: billionaires get divorced at the exact same rate as everyone else. More money does not solve the problem. The problem is the practice — or the complete lack of one.
 
Doug breaks down why money fights in marriage are almost never actually about money. They're about the stories, traumas, and scripts we bring into the relationship from our upbringing — the dinner table conversations we absorbed as kids, the financial trauma we never talked about, and the values we've never stopped to examine. He shares his own story of a scarcity mindset rooted in coming home at 16 to find his mom sitting on a bare floor — and how not sharing that story with your spouse quietly poisons your financial partnership.
 
We get into the quarterly money date, the invisible labor problem, why "just tell me what to do" is not helpful, what fairness really means in a marriage, and how to teach your kids about money through curiosity instead of shame.
 
 
 
Timeline Summary
 
[0:00] Introduction to the Dad Edge mission and the movement to raise leaders of families and communities
 
[1:02] Billionaires divorce at the same rate as everyone else — and what that tells us about money and marriage
 
[6:28] Why financial literacy in schools is still nowhere near where it needs to be
 
[10:52] "Mom goes on that train every morning so we can have fun on the weekends" — how to explain work to a four-year-old
 
[14:06] The self work that comes before the teamwork — understanding your own money story first
 
[18:52] Larry's story — coming home at 16 to a bare floor, a devastated mom, and a scarcity mindset 35 years in the making
 
[22:51] You don't do this once — financial alignment takes consistent practice, like the gym
 
[24:46] The quarterly money date — what it covers, how to do it, and why it changes everything
 
[27:29] If a financial expert and an attorney couldn't get this right without doing the work — what chance does everyone else have?
 
[31:51] Never bring up money during family rush hour — time and place matter more than you think
 
[36:37] Teaching kids to spend — why Doug let his daughter buy junk and then got curious instead of critical
 
[38:47] How a spring break lanyard project turned into a mini business
 
[43:34] Making space for your partner to learn differently — the whiteboard that finally worked
 
[45:04] The invisible labor problem — the sock on the stairs that Doug stepped over while laughing at his phone
 
[46:16] "Just tell me what to do" is not help — own a task beginning to end
 
[51:33] Where is the US dollar going — and why investing to outpace inflation is non-negotiable
 
[53:01] The financial foundation: spending awareness, a cash reserve, and consistent asset accumulation
 
 
 
Five Key Takeaways
 
 1. Billionaires get divorced at the same rate as everyone else. More money does not solve misalignment. The practice of communicating about money is what makes the difference.
 2. Your money story was formed long before you met your partner. Until you understand where your scripts, fears, and triggers come from, you will keep bringing them into your financial conversations without knowing it.
 3. The quarterly money date is not optional. It is how you stay aligned on time, energy, spending, and what's working — before small frictions become big fights.
 4. "Just tell me what to do" is not help. Own a task from beginning to end. Taking the mental load off your spouse means they never have to think about that domain — not just execute when assigned.
 5. Equal is not fair. Fairness is whatever you and your partner have actually talked about, agreed on, and checked in about consistently. Without the conversation, there is no fairness — just resentment.
 
 
 
Links & Resources
 
 • Dad Edge Alliance & Business Boardroom: 
https://thedadedge.com/mastermind • Money Together by Doug and Heather Boneparth: 
https://readmoneytogether.com • Bona Fide Wealth: 
https://bonafidewealth.com • The Joint Account Newsletter: 
https://readthejointaccount.com • Follow Doug on X: @DougBoneparth
 • Fair Play by Eve Rodsky: Available on Amazon
 • Episode Link & Resources (Episode 1470): 
https://thedadedge.com/1470 
 
 
Closing
 
If there's one message from this episode that stands out, it's this: the money conversation in your marriage is not about the numbers — it's about the stories you've never told each other.
 
Doug and Heather are a financial expert and an attorney who still had to do the hard work to get their own financial partnership right. If they needed the practice, so do you.
 
Start the conversation. Build the practice. Own a domain. Take 30 seconds before you respond.
 
Because a financially aligned marriage isn't just good for your bank account — it's good for your kids, your partnership, and the life you're actually trying to build together.
 
Go out and live legendary.

Solving the Financial Misalignment in Your Marriage featuring Doug Boneparth

In this episode, Larry opens the doors of a live Dad Edge Alliance Q&A featuring neuroscience expert and brain coach Ashleigh Di Lello. This is a rare look behind the curtain at what actually happens inside the Alliance — real men, real questions, and real breakthroughs in real time.
 
Ashleigh was told she was going to die at 13. She learned to walk again three times. And when a catastrophic hip surgery in 2017 left her in chronic pain and facing the possibility of never walking again, she decided to stop trying to control her body and start studying her brain instead. What she discovered — and has since spent seven years coaching others through — is a comprehensive, neuroscience-based process for rewiring the patterns, beliefs, and self-critical voices that keep men stuck.
 
The men in this Q&A ask the questions most of us never say out loud: how do I quiet the inner critic at 61? How do I build resilience when my business is falling apart? How do I help my perfectionist daughter without making it worse? And what does it actually mean to feel your emotions without losing your identity as a man?
 
Ashleigh answers every one of them — and the conversation goes places you won't expect.
 
 
 
Timeline Summary
 
[0:00] Introduction to the Dad Edge mission and the movement to raise leaders of families and communities
 
[1:02] The quiet, sinister nature of negative self-chatter — and why morning affirmations aren't enough
 
[3:26] Ashleigh's story — told she would die at 13, three hip surgeries, learning to walk again, and turning it all into a neuroscience-based brain rewiring practice
 
[5:13] Ashleigh opens the Q&A — the brain's mechanisms are the same for all of us and can become our greatest asset
 
[8:20] Jason's question: 61 years old, raised to suppress feelings, bullied in school — how do I quiet the inner critic now?
 
[10:35] You are not either strong or weak — you are both. The human experience is contrast.
 
[12:15] Self-criticism locks up the neural synapses — why the brain cannot change long-term through shame
 
[13:47] The writing exercise — ten minutes, throw it away, slow the brain down and finally hear yourself
 
[16:26] Speaking to your brain instead of letting your brain speak to you — and why micro-action is what changes the operating system
 
[19:40] Larry shares his own moment — sitting down after his interview with Ashleigh in tears, writing down every cruel thing he was telling himself
 
[21:09] Chris's question: how does your process actually work from start to finish?
 
[22:15] The 12-week process — identifying, processing out, then rewiring. You can't skip the first half.
 
[23:43] What isn't expressed is suppressed — and the brain holds on to it
 
[28:24] Why men are more prone to addiction — shame activates the brain's alarm system and it will always find an outlet
 
[31:10] Scott's question: how do I build resilience under prolonged stress as an entrepreneur?
 
[33:29] Resilience is not a character trait — it's a part of your brain you can grow
 
[34:36] The win book — why you need a physical record of what's working, not just what isn't
 
[36:07] When your identity gets attached to not pivoting — and how that keeps you stuck
 
[40:27] Never make a big decision on a bad day — and give your brain real breaks from stimulation
 
[42:24] Chris's question: I can already see perfectionist tendencies in my nine-year-old daughter — how do I help her?
 
[43:38] Share your own struggles with your kids — it gives them permission to struggle too
 
[45:18] Failure is not a noun — it's how we learn. And the brain can't learn through shame.
 
[46:31] The win book applies to your kids too — build the evidence of progress, not just the list of what went wrong
 
[49:08] Practice makes progress, not perfect — and what that means for how you raise your kids
 
[51:38] Henry's question: how do men navigate the space between survival instincts and actually feeling their emotions?
 
[52:23] It's not either or — it's and. Feeling doesn't eliminate strength. It creates space for more of it.
 
[54:13] Let it out to bring it in — what isn't expressed will keep battling for space with everything you're trying to build
 
 
 
Five Key Takeaways
 
 1. Self-criticism doesn't create lasting change. When you shame yourself, the neural synapses lock up. The brain can only rewire through self-compassion, not judgment.
 2. What isn't expressed is suppressed — and it doesn't go away. It stays in the brain and body, driving patterns you don't understand and can't seem to break.
 3. The writing exercise is one of the most neuroscience-backed tools available. Ten minutes, write what you'd never say out loud, and throw it away. You move it out so you can bring something better in.
 4. Resilience is a part of the brain you can grow — by doing what you don't want to do, acknowledging it when you do, and keeping a physical record of your wins.
 5. You are not either strong or weak. You are both. Allowing yourself to feel the full human experience doesn't diminish your strength — it creates space for more of it.
 
 
 
Links & Resources
 
 • Dad Edge Alliance & Business Boardroom: 
https://thedadedge.com/mastermind • Ashleigh Di Lello's website and free Brain Body Blueprint: 
https://ashleighdilello.com • Episode Link & Resources (Episode 1469): 
https://thedadedge.com/1469 

 Closing
 
If there's one message from this episode that stands out, it's this: what you're saying to yourself when no one is listening is either building you up or quietly tearing you apart — and most of us have no idea how cruel we actually are to ourselves.
 
Ashleigh Di Lello learned to rewire her brain not from a textbook but from necessity. She had no other option. And what she found on the other side was not just recovery — it was a life she built on purpose.
 
The brain can change. You can change. But it starts with being honest enough to write it all down, compassionate enough to not judge what you find, and brave enough to let it move through you instead of holding it in.
 
Go out and live legendary.

The Mental Exercises Every Man Needs to Master Self Talk & The Inner Critic featuring Ashleigh Di Lello

In this episode, Larry and coach Marc sit down to talk about one of the most common and least-talked-about crises facing business owner dads — burnout. Not the dramatic kind. The quiet, grinding, everyday kind where you're doing 14-hour days, drinking to decompress, wearing exhaustion like a badge of honor, and slowly losing the very people you're killing yourself to provide for.
 
Featuring recorded clips from John — a real Boardroom member who came in on the brink of burnout — this episode is one of the most emotionally honest conversations we've had on this show. John's story will hit close to home for a lot of men. Working obsessively, drinking daily to escape, knowing something was wrong but believing the only answer was more action. His wife was losing her patience. He was losing himself. And then he stopped lone-wolfing it.
 
Larry shares his own raw moment — telling his wife that if he's not providing, he doesn't know what value he brings to the family — and what his kids said when he and his wife actually asked them what they wanted most. Marc breaks down the BRAVE Man system, the tracker, and why busyness is not the same as results. And the episode closes with John getting so emotional he can't speak — and the silence that says everything.
 
 
 
Timeline Summary
 
[0:00] Introduction to the Dad Edge mission and the movement to raise leaders of families and communities
 
[1:02] The burnout that business owner dads don't talk about — grinding for your family while quietly losing them
 
[2:44] Leaders usually starve — because they pour everything into everyone else but themselves
 
[4:15] Introducing Marc Hildebrand — and what today's episode is really about
 
[5:52] How Marc met John — on the brink of burnout, drinking daily, running 14-16 hour days
 
[7:35] The shift Marc saw by weeks four and five — doing less, but achieving more
 
[9:11] The GPS analogy — what life feels like without a system versus with one
 
[10:37] Why we resist new tools even when they could save us — and the old-timer cops who threw out the Garmin
 
[12:12] Wearing burnout as a badge of honor — and the people who love you who see it from a mile away
 
[13:29] Your kids ask "Dad, are you okay?" and you think nobody noticed
 
[14:45] John's first clip: what life looked like before he applied — work first, drinking to escape, lone-wolfing it
 
[17:36] The heart behind the burnout — doing it all for your family, but missing what they actually need
 
[19:20] What Marc saw in John — a man believing there was only one way to succeed
 
[20:10] Larry's vulnerable moment: "If I'm not providing, what value do I bring this family?"
 
[22:10] His kids' answer when asked what they wanted most — more time, not more money
 
[22:29] The 13 Hours scene — a Navy SEAL on his 12th deployment finally hearing "the kids don't need more money, they need you"
 
[24:37] Why being willing to have the vulnerable conversation is the game changer
 
[25:10] John's second clip: getting a map, small goals, and what changed in his marriage
 
[27:25] Breaking down the BRAVE Man system — Bond, Raise, Amplify, Vitality, Enjoy, Movement, Action, Network
 
[28:04] Why joy is a tactical requirement — if you have no joy to give, you have nothing to give
 
[28:50] Why motivation is a lie — and why action creates motivation, not the other way around
 
[29:13] John's transformation from 15 points a week to 40-50 — and what the tracker actually measures
 
[31:57] Busyness does not equal results — the most dangerous trap for burned-out business owners
 
[32:18] John's final clip — the emotional moment that stopped everyone cold
 
[35:28] What that moment meant — a man who saved his marriage and came back to himself
 
[37:52] What it means to have a battle to fight, a beauty to love, and an adventure to be had — together
 
[39:05] The call to every business owner who sees a piece of John in himself
 
 
 
Five Key Takeaways
 
 1. Burnout doesn't always look dramatic. It looks like 14-hour days, drinking to unwind, and quietly drifting away from the people you're working so hard to provide for.
 2. The people who love you most can see your burnout from a mile away — even when you think you're hiding it. Your kids see it. Your wife feels it.
 3. Your family doesn't want more money. They want more of you. When Larry asked his boys, the answer was time — every single time.
 4. The answer to burnout is not more action. It's better action, in the right areas, with a system that tells you what actually moves the needle.
 5. You are not a liability because you need help. John thought he had nothing to give when he walked in — and became one of the most valuable men in the room.
 
 
 
Links & Resources
 
 • Dad Edge Alliance & Business Boardroom: 
https://thedadedge.com/mastermind • The Men's Forge: 
https://themensforge.com • Episode Link & Resources (Episode 1468): 
https://thedadedge.com/1468 
 
 
Closing
 
If there's one message from this episode that stands out, it's this: the answer to burnout is never more action — it's a better system, a map, and men around you who won't let you disappear.
 
John came in wearing his exhaustion like a badge, drinking every day to survive it, and believing the only way through was to grind harder. Six weeks later, he was lighter. His marriage was coming back. And when Larry asked him what it felt like to make his way back — he couldn't speak.
 
That silence said everything.
 
If there's a piece of John in you right now, this is your move.
 
Go out and live legendary.

The System That Beats Burnout in Your Personal Life (It's Not MORE Action) featuring Marc Hildebrand

In this episode, I sit down with Thomas Caleel — former Director of MBA Admissions at the Wharton School, founder of Admittedly, and one of the most clear-eyed voices in the college admissions space. This one is personal — I've got an 18-year-old headed to University of Arkansas in four months, and a sixth grader whose decisions today will quietly shape where he ends up ten years from now.
 
Thomas opens the black box of college admissions and explains what's actually changed, what most parents are getting wrong, and what admissions officers are really looking for. The shift from well-rounded candidates to "vertical spikes" of deep passion and genuine interest is one of those things that sounds simple but changes everything about how you should be thinking about your kid's path right now.
 
We talk about the right time to start, why the seventh-grade math assessment quietly matters more than most parents realize, how doing fewer things with real intentionality is more powerful than stacking clubs and activities, and why your child's college essay should tell their story — not yours.
 
We also get into the financial reality most parents aren't prepared for — new federal loan caps, how to negotiate financial aid after admission, what Juno is and why it matters, and why sending your kid to a low-tier private college that costs $50,000 a year is something Thomas calls criminal.
 
And he gives a refreshingly honest answer to whether college is actually worth it.
 
 
 
Timeline Summary
 
[0:00] Introduction to the Dad Edge mission and the movement to raise leaders of families and communities
 
[1:02] Larry's 18-year-old is leaving for University of Arkansas — and Thomas's son is heading to NYU
 
[2:45] When change goes according to plan — and why it hits harder than you expect
 
[4:45] What most parents are missing — the pressure cooker, the doom race, and why more is not always more
 
[5:56] Why admissions is a black box — and why bad information fills that vacuum
 
[7:23] Thomas's background — former Director of MBA Admissions at Wharton, 20 years shaping admissions strategy globally
 
[9:05] How college admissions has changed — from well-rounded candidates to vertical spikes of deep passion
 
[10:49] Why schools now prioritize socioeconomic diversity — and what full ride programs actually look like
 
[11:37] What the internet did to admissions — 50,000 applicants where there used to be 8,000, and rates under 3% at Yale
 
[12:00] Do fewer things intentionally and well — the sneakerhead who got into Stanford
 
[15:18] Why volunteering doesn't help anymore if your kid doesn't actually care about it
 
[17:31] How grit, initiative, and unglamorous jobs stand out just as much as expensive summer programs
 
[19:29] The most common question Thomas hears — when should we start?
 
[19:51] The seventh-grade math assessment that quietly determines whether your kid can pursue STEM majors
 
[22:41] Middle school is for exploration — you don't need to pick a direction, just stay warm on the fundamentals
 
[24:11] What universities are really asking — not what do you want to do with your life, but what are you curious about right now
 
[24:47] Why your kid won't tell you the truth — and why a neutral third party changes everything
 
[29:47] How to have a real conversation with your kid about what they actually want
 
[30:36] Listening without judgment — the parent who almost killed their child's essay by refusing to let them tell their real story
 
[33:06] How to handle the "I want to study dance" conversation — without crushing them
 
[35:45] Is college a scam? Thomas's honest, nuanced answer — and why the lottery ticket mentality is dangerous
 
[37:20] Why low-tier private colleges charging $50,000 a year are, in his words, criminal
 
[40:38] What's changed in the political arena — new federal loan caps and what they mean for families
 
[41:51] Why the ROI conversation has to happen before you commit to a school
 
[44:08] How to negotiate financial aid after you've been admitted — and why schools will sometimes find money
 
[45:03] Juno — the collective bargaining platform that negotiates lower interest rates on student loans
 
[48:01] What Admittedly is — former admissions officers, group coaching, weekly office hours, and accessible pricing
 
 
 
Five Key Takeaways
 
 1. Admissions has shifted from well-rounded to deeply interesting. A kid who does one thing with real passion and depth will stand out over a kid who stacks clubs and activities to check boxes.
 2. The seventh-grade math assessment quietly shapes whether your kid can pursue the majors they want. Start paying attention earlier than you think you need to.
 3. Your child's essay needs to tell their story — not your version of their story. Listen without judgment and let them lead.
 4. The financial conversation has to happen early and honestly. With new federal loan caps and rising tuition, the ROI of each school choice matters more than ever.
 5. College is not a binary decision. It can be great, but it's not the right path for everyone. Know your child, know their goals, and help them build the path that actually fits — not the one that looks right from the outside.
 
 
 
Links & Resources
 
 • Dad Edge Business Boardroom: 
https://thedadedge.com/boardroom • Admittedly website: 
https://admittedly.co • Admittedly on Instagram and TikTok: @admittedly.co
 • Juno student loan platform: 
https://joinjuno.com • Episode Link & Resources (Episode 1467): 
https://thedadedge.com/1467 
 
 
Closing
 
If there's one message from this episode that stands out, it's this: the decisions your kid makes in middle school are already shaping where they'll end up — and most parents don't find that out until it's too late to do anything about it.
 
Thomas Caleel has sat inside the room where these decisions get made. He knows what gets someone in and what gets them passed over. And the good news is that none of it requires privilege, expensive programs, or a perfect resume. It requires knowing your kid, helping them tell their real story, and starting the right conversations while there's still time to matter.
 
If your kid is anywhere from sixth grade to senior year, this episode is required listening.
 
Go out and live legendary.

Is College Actually Worth It For Your Kids? (The Seventh Grade Math Test to Decide) featuring Thomas Caleel

In this episode, I sit down with Sol Kennedy — software developer, founder of the co-parenting app Best Interest, host of the Co-parenting Beyond Conflict podcast, and a man who built the thing he needed most during one of the hardest seasons of his life.
 
Sol grew up watching a codependent father and a controlling mother, and spent years of his adult life repeating that dynamic — giving up his power in relationships, avoiding conflict at all costs, and calling the absence of fighting a good marriage. It took a divorce, his first therapy session at 38, and laying awake next to his girlfriend at 2am feeling that familiar anxiety spike when his phone pinged from his ex for Sol to finally build something different.
 
We dig into the psychology behind why co-parenting is so emotionally explosive — the trapped emotions, the triggers, the courtroom-ready anger that destroys custody cases — and Sol walks us through exactly how the Best Interest app works. It acts as an AI-powered filter between you and your ex, stripping inflammatory language before it reaches you, flagging your own reactive messages before you send them, and letting you set communication boundaries without needing your co-parent's cooperation. It's essentially a bodyguard for your inbox — and for your peace of mind.
 
We also get into the practical stuff: why you should start with a divorce coach, not a bulldog attorney; why anger in the courtroom is the fastest way to lose custody; and why therapy isn't optional if you want to actually show up well for your kids on the other side of a divorce.
 
 
 
Timeline Summary
 
[0:00] Introduction to the Dad Edge mission and the movement to raise leaders of families and communities
 
[1:02] The moment that sparked Best Interest — lying in bed next to his girlfriend, anxiety spiking at every notification from his ex
 
[2:23] What Our Family Wizard is and how co-parenting apps work
 
[4:28] Why co-parenting is so hard — you're still in a relationship with someone you divorced
 
[7:52] Sol's origin story — the codependent father, the controlling mother, and the name he chose for himself
 
[9:22] Stepping into therapy at 38 for the first time — learning what "triggered" and "boundary" meant
 
[13:05] Who Sol Kennedy is — founder of Best Interest, host of Co-parenting Beyond Conflict
 
[14:30] How Sol's childhood shaped the relationships he sought out as an adult
 
[19:47] The golden child, the scapegoat, and a marriage that never had real depth
 
[23:29] How divorce changed what he was attracted to — and the intimacy he found on the other side
 
[26:59] The catalyst for the divorce — a year and a half of therapy, a repetitive cycle, and his wife leaving just before the Covid lockdowns
 
[29:26] How Best Interest differs from Our Family Wizard — shifting from a court-ready mindset to a conflict-prevention mindset
 
[31:49] How the AI filter works in practice — stripping inflammatory language before it reaches you
 
[33:29] How it protects you from yourself — reviewing your outgoing messages before you send something you'll regret
 
[35:44] The only co-parenting app you can use solo — no co-parent buy-in required
 
[36:46] Setting message frequency limits — Sol's solution to the 30-messages-a-day ex
 
[38:25] The AI bodyguard — how Best Interest changes lives one filtered message at a time
 
[41:14] Why men specifically get themselves in trouble — anger in the courtroom is the fastest way to lose custody
 
[43:47] What newly separated men need to know — start with a divorce coach, not a bulldog attorney
 
[45:19] Get to therapy now — learning where you feel stress in your body is not soft, it's survival
 
[46:41] Internal Family Systems and somatic work — why trapped emotions show up as physical sensations
 
 
 
Five Key Takeaways
 
 1. Co-parenting is still a relationship — and without the right tools, the same patterns that broke the marriage will destroy the co-parenting dynamic too.
 2. Anger in the courtroom costs men custody. If you haven't done the work to regulate your emotions before you walk in, all the advice in the world won't save you in that moment.
 3. The best co-parenting boundaries are the ones you can enforce yourself — without needing your ex to cooperate or agree to anything.
 4. Start with a divorce coach, not a bulldog attorney. A good divorce coach will save you money, reduce conflict, and help you avoid the court system altogether where possible.
 5. Therapy is not optional. Learning where you feel stress in your body, understanding your triggers, and processing trapped emotions isn't soft — it's what lets you show up as the parent your kids need.
 
 
 
Links & Resources
 
 • Dad Edge Business Boardroom: 
https://thedadedge.com/boardroom • The Men's Forge: 
https://themensforge.com • Best Interest Co-parenting App: Available on the App Store and Google Play — search "Best Interest"
 • Co-parenting Beyond Conflict Podcast with Sol Kennedy: Available wherever you get your podcasts
 • Episode Link & Resources (Episode 1466): 
https://thedadedge.com/1466 
 
 
Closing
 
If there's one message from this episode that stands out, it's this: you don't have to let your ex's words reach you unfiltered — and you don't have to send your worst ones either.
 
Sol Kennedy built the thing he needed most when he needed it most. And what he built is now changing the daily lives of co-parents who are trying to stay grounded, protect their kids from the fallout, and build a new chapter without letting the old one keep pulling them back under.
 
If you're co-parenting right now, or you know someone who is, share this episode. It might be the most practical thing they hear all year.
 
Go out and live legendary.

How to Co-Parent Without Losing Your Mind or Your Kids featuring Sol Kennedy

In this episode, Larry and Dad Edge coach Marc sit down to unpack one of the most common traps business owner dads fall into — hoping things will get better instead of building a strategy to make them better. Featuring recorded clips from Jaden, a real estate investor and five-year member of the Dad Edge Business Boardroom, this episode is a real, unfiltered look at what it actually feels like to be a high-performing business owner who has it dialed at work but is guessing at home.
 
Jaden's story is one a lot of men will recognize — stressed, stretched, showing up for everything but not really present for anyone, and telling himself tomorrow would somehow be different without any real plan to make that true. Hope is not a strategy. And that one sentence — dropped by Larry's toughest sales mentor years ago — becomes the through-line for the whole episode.
 
Marc and Larry break down why business owners specifically are so underserved when it comes to marriage and fatherhood, why the men around you shape who you become whether you're intentional about it or not, and what happens when you stop reacting and start running a new operating system. Not just in your family — in everything.
 
If you're a business owner who's winning at work and guessing at home, this one was made for you.
 
 
 
Timeline Summary
 
[0:00] Introduction to the Dad Edge mission and the movement to raise leaders of families and communities
 
[1:02] What happens when we try our best but don't have the skills — and why winging it in marriage and fatherhood is a recipe for quiet misery
 
[2:33] Why business owner dads are among the most underserved men out there
 
[3:33] Starting a business is like having another kid — and most men are carrying both without the right support
 
[5:45] Jaden's story: five-year Boardroom member, real estate investor, and a man who was just hoping tomorrow would be different
 
[7:21] Hope is not a strategy — why hope without a plan turns against you over time
 
[8:31] Marc's experience as a police officer and Larry's in sales — guessing in the early days and what changed when they found the right room
 
[11:19] Hope is not a strategy — the mentor who stopped Larry cold and changed how he approached everything
 
[13:58] What Jaden started learning inside the Boardroom — generative questions and the skill of processing in real time
 
[15:04] Walking the cube: facts, story, emotions, action — and how it replaces emotional dumping with intentional response
 
[16:39] It becomes your operating system — not a skill you have to work at, but how you fundamentally operate
 
[18:18] These skills don't just change your family — they change your business too because you take your head everywhere
 
[19:29] The tools that become part of your identity: emotional validation, generative questions, psychological safety, walking the cube
 
[20:11] The software upgrade analogy — your marriage won't run optimally on an outdated operating system
 
[21:39] Jaden's advice for men on the outside: you cannot do this work alone. It's a 12-foot ladder with only two rungs.
 
[23:00] Larry asks Jaden where he'd be without the Boardroom — and the pause that said everything
 
[24:21] Mark's insight: surround yourself with people who already have what you want — that's the cheat code
 
[25:42] What Larry thought when he joined his first mastermind in 2015 — and why he called back 11 minutes later
 
[28:27] What Larry found on that first Monday morning call — every question he was afraid to ask was suddenly welcomed
 
[30:07] The call to action for every business owner dad listening right now
 
 
 
Five Key Takeaways
 
 1. Hope is not a strategy. Hoping your marriage or your relationship with your kids gets better without a plan is not optimism — it's guessing. And guessing sucks.
 2. You take your head everywhere. The skills you build at home show up in your business, and the chaos you carry from work shows up at home. Upgrading your operating system changes everything.
 3. The men around you shape who you become — whether you're intentional about it or not. Surround yourself with men who already have what you want, and you'll take on their habits, beliefs, and results.
 4. These skills don't take more time — they eliminate the time you waste reacting, apologizing, and cleaning up the mess of not having them.
 5. You cannot do this work alone. A brotherhood that can name the next rung of the ladder for you is not a luxury — it's the difference between spinning in place and actually climbing.
 
 
 
Links & Resources
 
 • Dad Edge Alliance & Business Boardroom: 
https://thedadedge.com/mastermind • The Men's Forge: 
https://themensforge.com • Episode Link & Resources (Episode 1465): 
https://thedadedge.com/1465 
 
 
Closing
 
If there's one message from this episode that stands out, it's this: stop hoping and start building.
 
Every man listening to this has the same 24 hours. The difference between the man who looks up in ten years with the life he wanted and the man who wonders where it all went is not talent, not luck, and not harder work. It's strategy. It's skills. It's the room he chose to be in.
 
If you're a business owner who's winning at work and guessing at home — this is your move.
 
Go out and live legendary.

The Men Around You Shape Who You Become (Whether You're Intentional About It or Not) featuring Marc Hildebrand

In this episode, I sit down with Doug Smith — award-winning author of The Path of Rocks and Thorns, policy expert, trauma-informed leadership coach, adjunct professor, and a man who spent six years in a Texas prison cell for four counts of robbery committed in the grip of crack cocaine addiction.
 
This is not a redemption story wrapped in a tidy bow. It's a raw, honest, and deeply human conversation about what happens when a man loses everything — and what he discovers about leadership, recovery, and fatherhood in the process.
 
Doug walks us through what crack addiction actually feels like — the all-encompassing high and the equal and opposite fall — and what it took to rebuild a life after prison, including a bipolar disorder diagnosis, years of therapy, and a spiritual practice pieced together inside a Texas prison cell. He also shares the extraordinary leadership work he did while incarcerated, helping build a sexual assault prevention program that led to a dramatic increase in reporting and prosecution inside Texas prisons — work that continues to have an impact to this day.
 
But the heart of this conversation is fatherhood. Doug's daughter was five when he went in. She was almost eleven when he came home. He shares the terrifying day he was released, the first reunion with his daughter, and how they reconnected through play and letters rather than words. And then he shares the hardest part — what happened when his book came out and his daughter's buried anger finally surfaced, and the hike where he sat in that anger with her without defending himself.
 
Larry meets him there with his own story of a father who left twice — and the dinner conversation twenty years ago where forgiveness finally had room to breathe.
 
 
 
Timeline Summary
 
[0:00] Introduction to the Dad Edge mission and the movement to raise leaders of families and communities
 
[1:02] Introducing Doug Smith — author, policy expert, trauma-informed coach, and formerly incarcerated for four counts of robbery
 
[1:23] What prison was actually like — more boring than people imagine, and unexpectedly clarifying
 
[2:31] The decline into crack addiction — what the high feels like and what the low does to your soul
 
[5:14] The black spot on the soul — how crack takes you lower with every use and never lets you climb back up
 
[6:50] What withdrawal from crack cocaine actually does to your brain and body
 
[9:04] How Doug recalibrated inside prison — exercise, meditation, spiritual practice, and learning to feel good without drugs for the first time in his adult life
 
[11:18] His mental health diagnosis — bipolar disorder, personality disorder, and how he eventually moved past treating a label
 
[13:21] Who Doug is today — policy expert, adjunct professor at UT Austin, trauma-informed leadership coach, and author
 
[15:28] What leadership actually means — it's not a business term, it's the relationship between the results you're creating and your contribution to them
 
[16:18] The sexual assault prevention program Doug built inside a Texas prison — and the dramatic results it produced
 
[22:47] How sexual assault in prison is always about power — and why staff are often the perpetrators
 
[23:16] How old his daughter was when he went in — and his daily prayer to get home while she was still a child
 
[24:51] The terrifying day he was released — why his brain wouldn't accept it as real
 
[26:05] Flying down the stairs to hold his daughter — and sitting with her while she wept
 
[26:49] How they reconnected on day one — spreading out her letters and going through them together
 
[27:13] Larry's midroll reflection: you're home, but are you really there?
 
[29:14] How his daughter responded after the initial reunion — the games, the capybara play, and Riley the racing rat
 
[32:07] The years of building trust — and how his daughter's anger didn't surface until the book came out
 
[33:10] His daughter's reaction to the book: everyone's celebrating his story, but nobody asked what she went through
 
[34:48] The hike where everything came out — and how Doug received her anger without defending himself
 
[37:14] How his daughter had organized her life around his incarceration — volunteering with kids of incarcerated parents, camp counseling, and a college essay that got her into UT Austin in three weeks
 
[39:51] The unresolved trauma that was still there beneath the resilience — and what it took for her to finally be angry
 
[40:17] Larry shares his own story — a father who left twice and the dinner conversation that changed everything
 
[43:44] Larry's dad's ownership, humility, and apology — and how seeing a human being allowed forgiveness to begin
 
[45:33] What Doug's relationship with his daughter looks like now — rebuilding on new terms as adults
 
[47:41] His daughter's powerful message: I needed the encouragement before. Don't tie my worth to my grades.
 
[48:13] The richer conversations that come when the old context for a relationship is gone
 
[51:16] Larry's reflection: without the mess there is no message — and what Doug's story means to the men listening
 
[52:18] The Dante's Inferno metaphor from Doug's prison book club — you have to go all the way through to climb back up
 
 
 
Five Key Takeaways
 
 1. Losing everything can be unexpectedly clarifying. When the things that were making your life miserable are stripped away, you get to learn who you are without them — and that can be the beginning of something real.
 2. Leadership is not a business concept. It's the relationship between the results you're creating in the world and your contribution to those results. Everyone is always leading something.
 3. You can be home and still not be present. A lot of men are physically in the house but emotionally absent — and their kids feel it. No prison cell required.
 4. Resilience and unresolved trauma can coexist. Doug's daughter organized her whole life around his incarceration before she ever allowed herself to be angry about it. Healing isn't linear and it isn't always visible.
 5. You have to go all the way through it. You can't go around pain, grief, or hard emotions. Like Dante — you have to travel through the deepest part before you can climb again.
 
 
 
Links & Resources
 
 • Dad Edge Alliance & Business Boardroom: 
https://thedadedge.com/mastermind • The Men's Forge: 
https://themensforge.com • The Path of Rocks and Thorns by Doug Smith: Available on Amazon
 • Doug Smith's website: 
https://the-degree.com • Email Doug directly: 
doug@the-degree.com • Episode Link & Resources (Episode 1464): 
https://thedadedge.com/1464 
 
 
Closing
 
If there's one message from this episode that stands out, it's this: you have to go all the way through it.
 
Doug Smith didn't get to skip the hard parts. He had to travel all the way through addiction, incarceration, and the anger of a daughter he had failed — before he could climb back up. And what he built on the other side of that is extraordinary: a career dedicated to the exact people he used to be, and a relationship with his daughter being rebuilt on honest, adult terms.
 
The mess became the message. It always does.
 
If this episode hit you where it needed to, share it with a man who is in the middle of his own darkest season and needs to know there's a way through.
 
Go out and live legendary.

Why Losing Everything Was the Most Clarifying Thing That Ever Happened to Him featuring Douglas Smith

In this episode, I sit down with Kelvin Davis — fashion trailblazer, author of Be a Good Man Not a Nice Guy, creator of Notoriously Dapper, one of the first Black big-and-tall models for Gap and Target, and dad of two daughters. This one covers a wide range of territory — style, masculinity, nice guy syndrome, divorce, co-parenting, and raising daughters as a single dad — and somehow manages to be one of the most fun and most real conversations we've had on this show.
 
We start with style — and not the surface-level kind. Kelvin breaks down why how you dress is actually a statement about how you see yourself, how the right fit and color unlocks a level of confidence that can't be faked, and why most guys are unknowingly dressing for a version of themselves they no longer are.
 
Then we get into the heart of the show: the difference between a good man and a nice guy. Kelvin draws the line clearly — nice guys are motivated by approval and the avoidance of conflict, good men are grounded in purpose, principles, and accountability. He gets deeply honest about his own nice guy patterns, including a porn addiction and seeking emotional connection outside his marriage, and how staying in a relationship he knew wasn't right ended up costing him and his daughters dearly.
 
We dig into his divorce — how the girls responded, the pressure to pick sides, the importance of therapy, and what happened when his daughters moved to Tennessee and their relationship actually deepened over FaceTime. And we close with a powerful conversation about what Kelvin believes a dad's real job is: not to be liked, but to get your kids ready for the world.
 
 
 
Timeline Summary
 
[0:00] Introduction to the Dad Edge mission and the movement to raise leaders of families and communities
 
[1:01] Introducing Kelvin Davis — style, Notoriously Dapper, big and tall modeling, and Be a Good Man Not a Nice Guy
 
[4:58] Kelvin's backstory — knowing from age eight that fashion was his calling and going back to speak at his old elementary school
 
[9:23] Larry's story with style expert Tanner Gazi — and the fat kid still living inside him who wears dark colors to hide
 
[12:58] What style actually is — and why the right fit unlocks confidence that cannot be faked
 
[14:03] How to build a base wardrobe — know your true size, nail the fit, then add accessories to elevate everything
 
[16:52] What happens when you walk into a room dressed confidently — including the people who love it and the ones who resent it
 
[19:53] How Kelvin learned to stop caring what people think — and why we all care to some degree
 
[23:50] Introducing Be a Good Man Not a Nice Guy — how Kelvin defines the difference
 
[24:36] Nice guys are motivated by approval and conflict avoidance — good men are grounded in purpose and values
 
[27:25] Covert contracts, people pleasing, and why nice guys always eventually fall apart
 
[29:01] Kelvin's nice guy symptoms — avoiding accountability, gaslighting, saying yes to everyone at the cost of himself
 
[31:33] The one place Kelvin's nice guy syndrome never showed up — fatherhood
 
[33:34] Why dads who weren't loved well as kids tend to over-serve their kids — and why holding the line is still the right move
 
[35:08] What Kelvin's daughters would have picked up on if he'd stayed in a marriage where he wasn't showing up as his true self
 
[37:03] The guilt and shame of a pregnancy that forced a marriage — and admitting the foundation was never really there
 
[40:37] Seeking emotional connection outside the marriage — and the fear that keeps nice guys trapped
 
[41:38] The unexpected peace of living alone for the first time after the divorce
 
[43:37] How the girls responded when he moved out — the pressure to pick sides and what Kelvin told them
 
[45:32] Kids hear everything — the damage done when adults talk about each other in front of their children
 
[46:22] Therapy for the girls starting in 2022 — what the therapist revealed about the older daughter's emotional burden
 
[47:31] His job was to carry his own anger — not put it on his daughters
 
[49:28] His 15-year-old's personality emerging — meeting her where she is and becoming more of a collaborator
 
[50:43] Since the girls moved to Tennessee, their relationship has deepened more over FaceTime than it ever did in person
 
[52:08] Creating psychological safety — how connection is the foundation of all influence as a dad
 
[53:28] When mom was more friend than parent — and why the oldest pushes back on her but never on Kelvin
 
[55:46] My job is not to be your friend — it's to get you ready for the world
 
[57:21] Larry's 18-year-old in the 1,000 pound club — and the moment your kid surpasses you is the moment you know you did your job
 
 
 
Five Key Takeaways
 
 1. Style is not vanity — it's communication. How you dress tells the world and yourself who you are. If you've been hiding behind dark colors and ill-fitting clothes, ask yourself what you're really trying to hide.
 2. The difference between a nice guy and a good man is what drives them. Nice guys chase approval and avoid conflict. Good men are grounded in purpose, values, and accountability — and people feel that difference.
 3. Your kids are watching everything — including how you treat their mother, who you are when your guard is down, and whether the man at home is the same man everyone else gets. They will model it.
 4. Your job as a dad is not to be liked — it's to get your kids ready for the world. That means holding the line, teaching respect, and preparing them for authority figures, hard seasons, and life without you.
 5. Psychological safety is what makes your kids come to you. Connection comes first. Without it, you have no influence — no matter how many rules you set or sacrifices you make.
 
 
 
Links & Resources
 
 • Dad Edge Alliance & Business Boardroom: 
https://thedadedge.com/mastermind • The Men's Forge: 
https://themensforge.com • Be a Good Man Not a Nice Guy by Kelvin Davis: Available on Amazon
 • Notoriously Dapper website: 
https://notoriouslydapper.com • Follow Kelvin on Instagram: @kelvindavis
 • Follow Notoriously Dapper on TikTok: @notoriouslydapper
 • Episode Link & Resources (Episode 1463): 
https://thedadedge.com/1463 
 
 
Closing
 
If there's one message from this episode that stands out, it's this: your kids don't need you to be their friend — they need you to be the man they can model their entire life after.
 
Kelvin Davis built a brand around showing up as your true self — unapologetically, consistently, and confidently. But it took a failed marriage, a divorce, and years of self-work to get there. And out of all of it, he's built a deeper relationship with his daughters than he ever had when they lived under the same roof.
 
That's what happens when a man stops performing and starts leading.
 
If this episode resonated with you, share it with a dad who needs to hear it.
 
Go out and live legendary.

The Power of Being a Good Man Not a Nice Guy featuring Kelvin Davis

On New Year's day, my son Mason, challenged me to join a bodybuilding show along with him. We had 16 weeks to prepare. I was about 195 lbs.18% body fat and I needed to go extreme to meet the goals needed. For this I worked with Joel Staley and his team and I did some aggressive intermittent fasting. 
 
My guest today is Joel Staley. He is the founder of Joel Staley Fitness and the creator of the Shed Fat Fast Program. He has served over 1,000 clients that have been transformed and collectively his clients have lost more than 35,000 pounds over the past 3 years.
 
Joel is a husband to his beautiful wife and father of 3 girls.
 
Show Notes
 
www.thedadedge.com/friday59

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