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CHAPTERS: (00:00:00) About the Show (00:00:22) About the Episode (00:03:39) Introduction and Background (00:06:58) AI Capabilities and Understanding (00:12:22) Discussing Martin Casado's Views (Part 1) (00:14:44) Sponsors: Oracle | Brave (00:16:48) Discussing Martin Casado's Views (Part 2) (00:21:51) Multimodal AI and Concept Representation (Part 1) (00:31:40) Sponsors: Omneky | Squad (00:33:26) Multimodal AI and Concept Representation (Part 2) (00:38:05) AI's Potential and Limitations (00:45:35) AI Safety and Risk Assessment (00:53:31) AI Development and Global Implications (01:03:30) Open Source AI and International Relations (01:11:27) AI Ethics and Human Values (01:22:06) AI Risk and Existential Threats (01:31:21) Open Source AI Concerns (01:38:20) China-US AI Relations (01:48:36) State Space Models in AI (02:02:32) Conclusion and Recommendations (02:03:54) Outro --- SOCIAL LINKS: Website : https://www.cognitiverevolution.ai Twitter (Podcast) : https://x.com/cogrev_podcast Twitter (Nathan) : https://x.com/labenz