AI & The Law: Changing Practice, Claude Constitution, & New Rights, w/ Kevin & Alan of Scaling Laws

Kevin Frazier and Alan Rozenshtein explore how AI is reshaping the legal profession, from “secret cyborg” lawyers using tools like Harvey to the uncertain future of junior associates and access to legal services. They discuss maximalist legal services, AI-written “complete contingent contracts,” and where AI should fall between strict formalism and legal realism, including Claude’s virtue-ethics-inspired constitution. The conversation then turns to AI’s role in legislation and governance, including outcome-oriented law, the “Unitary Artificial Executive,” and new rights like the Right to Compute and the Right to Share personal data. They close by examining limits on government surveillance and how future debates over AI sentience and welfare could spark social conflict.

LINKS:

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Polis online deliberation platform

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CHAPTERS:

(00:00) About the Episode

(03:35) Surveying AI-law landscape

(14:56) Legal deserts and demand (Part 1)

(15:02) Sponsors: Blitzy | Framer

(18:06) Legal deserts and demand (Part 2) (Part 1)

(28:25) Sponsors: Serval | Tasklet

(31:14) Legal deserts and demand (Part 2) (Part 2)

(31:14) AI and legal careers

(45:10) AI counsel and self-representation

(59:50) Maximalist law and outcomes

(01:12:30) Rules, principles, and Claude

(01:25:26) New rights and restraints

(01:38:26) Outro

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