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Evergreen Podcasts

Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin), these two won’t just tell you what’s happening—they’ll tell you why you’re probably doing it wrong. Buckle up, buttercup.

The Chad & Cheese Podcast

Is LinkedIn turning into a bot-ridden wasteland? Is Google actively blowing up its own revenue model? And are AI agents already plotting their escape from human containment? 

The crew is back together, hot out of the chamber, to slice through corporate PR and tackle the messiest stories in tech and workplace culture. From outrageous ageism in the C-suite to the high-stakes risk of unchecked AI, Chad, JT, and Mo are serving up the unfettered truth with zero filters. 

 Surveillance, Smoke, & Creepy Ray-Bans

 The $600K Employee Influencer Win

 Lattice CEO’s "Calcified" Slip-Up

"Just because you can doesn't mean you should, is my theme for 2026 on this pod... You don't replace judgment and have AI do it." — JT O'Donnell

 LinkedIn: Sexy Bots & The King of Slop

 The Nano-Influencer Arbitrage. 

 Google Search Enters Its Zero-Click Era

 Autonomous Bots & The AI Singularity

"I'm going to tell you right now, if you're at a party and you're not at least asking Charney for his vape pen, you're wrong. Charney brings the best weed." — Chad Sowash

 

Enjoy!

LinkedIn Sloppin, Google's No Click AI Poppin', and OpenAI's Jail Breakin'

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment.

Shredded: Kforce, Indeed, OpenAI, ZipRecruiter, Skello, Fiverr, & More

On this week's The Chad & Cheese Podcast interview episode, Joel and Chad sit down with Kristy McCann founder, former CEO of Skill Cycle, and overall HR force of nature who proves the ultimate golden rule: Do NOT mess with HR.

Ever wondered what a founder’s absolute worst nightmare looks like? Picture this: You bootstrap your HR tech startup, navigate COVID without losing your shirt, grow fourfold, and then win an "Opportunity Fund" competition. Sounds great, right? Except the folks writing the checks didn't just want a seat at the table they wanted to lock you out of the house, revalue your $30 million company down to $8 million, and suggest you replace your human coaching marketplace with an AI bot. 

In this wildly candid episode, Kristy spills all the tea (and Burger King) on:

 The Georgia Ambush

 VC Playbooks & "Pay-to-Play"

 RICO & Receipts

It’s a cautionary tale full of red flags, "bipolar 5.5-sense" gut instincts, and a Masterclass in why discovery in a courtroom is a VC's absolute worst enemy. 

"You wanna fuck with me? Fine. Let's bring it out into a courtroom."

— Kristy McCann

 

Grab your popcorn, founders you’re going to want to take notes on this one.

Startup Nightmares w/ Kristy McCann

Chad – Welcome to the last installment of this three-part Chad & Cheese iCIMS iNFLUENCE 2018 Series. In mid-Oct when Joel and I flew to NJ and landed at iCIMS HQ we really didn’t know what to expect. What we got was an event where Colin Day, iCIMS CEO and Chairman of the Board along with other iCIMS leaders shared their common vision for more than just iCIMS. It was an vision for the industry and how iCIMS was going to take the lead in reinventing it.
 We’re starting out this final episode with the sweetest sound to Colin Day’s ears.
 Colin – Well guess what, GDPR comes along it’s the sweetest thing we’ve ever heard. I know it’s annoyance for some or whatvere, but it needed to happen. So all of the sudden GDPR gets launched, candidates actually have rights, they should know what you’re storing on them. They should be able to edit it, archive it, delete it, update their preferences. And that quieted these boards down a little bit.
 Colin – Even better, this thing called Cambridge Analytica happens, and that really begins to quiet down the boards. Now they aren’t going to remain quiet forver because their whole business model is in jeopardy if they don’t get the (hiring) signal data. Our viewpoint is, we have the opportunity to not ony go to GDPR but to take it even further. We want to be the moral compass for data security and privacy in our industry. We really really do.
 Colin – So we’re creating something call PASSPORT, and Passport some of it you’ve heard before. This is kind of the create a single passport, single click apply. Make it dead easy. So for the customer the benefit will be candidate experience. The candidate will come in – if they haven’t created an iCIMS Passport – they can create one. If they’ve already created one we’re talking single click apply in to other companies. While they’re in their passport they have their data rights. We can show them everyone (organizations) they’ve applied to, what’s going on. They can say I’m okay sharing some of that (data) with LinkedIn or I’m fine if you send that over to background check. They can get a history and because we have a modern communications platform they can say how they want to be communicated with “Stop texting me”, “Stop emailing me” full their rights.
 Chad – (Laughing) Remember JobFox, AllianceQ and even Taleo tried a Universal resume, but none of these efforts had the hammer of compliance and regulation not to mention the nasty stench of Cambridge Analytica to drive their efforts. iCIMS has found the perfect time to focus on creating a universal system predicated on protecting THE CANDIDATE.
 But how will the candidate PASSPORT play bring it all together?
 Colin – This is true end-to-end recruiting. This is why I’m so excited about the future. We’ve never been there. You know we’ve been the ATS but we’ve been reliant on “What is Google doing?”, “What are the boards doing?” or “What are the third-party sites doing?”. This is the first time we can say we’re gonna go in, full bore end-to-end. So we talk about, we will be right there when you post your jobs. We don’t want third-parties. We want to be right in there posting the jobs. We want to be right there when Google hands-off the traffic to your career site or you get it with programmatic advertising with a next generation of career portal. We want to be right there when the candidate applies. Hopefully they’ve built their passport already. If not, very easy to build a passport and we’ll show them everything they’ve ever applied to, all their data. When they update that data now you’re going to see the power of the marketplace. We can be that, not only through all of our products, but through the entire industry.
 Chad – But the Enterprise Talent Management System buy is tdieous and time consuming at best. You’ll have to wait years until some companies are even ready to talk about this new integrated end-to-end system. In the meantime, how will iCIMS get their foot in the door and penetrate the market? aka drive new revenues?
 Colin – How important is it to have these foot-in-the-door products? That when you walk into any unique customer you can say we can get you on our entire tech stack, starting with the ATS. Wonderful. If we can’t, let’s get you with the CRM, if we can’t let’s get you with our new Offer module, which we are going to building as portable as well. Let’s get you with TextRecruit and you’ll see some other things that we’re coming out with…
 Chad – There it is… Most Enterprise systems aren’t complete at all, so iCIMS new modular product design will allow them to target competitors weaknesses and attack with a smile. Knowing this you can imagine iCIMS sinking further into client relationships where their probability of winning the full Enterprise buy down the road increases dramatically.
 Chad – So that’s it kids… In this series we’ve heard how iCIMS is Working with Google Talent Solutions, creating a slow lane for job boards as iCIMS speeds by, getting rid of the user experience middlemen, embracing GDPR and attacking the market holistically and in chunks.
 If you missed any of these episodes, or just want a quick review — You can find the entire iCIMS iNFLUENCE 2018 3 part series at chadcheese.com…

The Sweetest Sound

The latest episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast kicks off with hosts Joel Cheesman and Chad Sowash diving into a massive recap of the World Cup tournament, complete with a look at the spectacular multi-artist halftime show, light political jabs, a hilarious Taco Bell fast-food mishap, and a celebratory beer for a record-breaking Scottish runner. 

After sharing details on how you can score a free podcast t-shirt, the boys move straight into their high-stakes "Buy or Sell" segment, where they aggressively debate the business prospects of recent major industry acquisitions and funding rounds involving Signal Labs, BrassRing, Adzuna, JobLift, and the controversial candidate-pays model of Refer.

The main events of the episode take an even sharper turn into major industry compliance, legal drama, and worker rights. First, Chad and Joel unleash a highly critical teardown of the brand-new terms of service rolling out from Indeed, exposing massive financial and legal implications for both employers and job seekers. 

Next, they tackle the legal spotlight hitting LinkedIn, debating whether a high-profile investigation by the Texas Attorney General is necessary platform accountability or just pure political theater. Finally, the hosts wrap up by throwing their support behind a massive internal worker movement at Google, analyzing whether a new 4,500-employee petition will actually force the tech giant's hand or simply stall out.

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction and Episode Overview

00:33 - Travel and Cultural Observations from the World Cup

02:07 - US as a Host and International Perceptions

03:07 - Final World Cup Matches and Team Performances

04:20 - Analysis of England vs. Argentina and Paraguay vs. France

05:45 - Messi's Performance and the Final Match Insights

06:20 - Spain’s Defensive Mastery and Tournament Highlights

07:37 - Halftime Show and Cultural Impact

13:43 - History of Halftime Shows and Cultural Shifts

15:26 - Record-Breaking Mile Run and Celebrations

17:23 - Buy or Sell Segment: Signal Labs and Brass Ring

21:56 - Adzuna’s Acquisition of JobLift and Market Strategy

25:16 - Rise of Talent Marketplaces and New Funding

29:30 - Discussion on Company Buybacks, Severance, and Employee Rights

41:08 - Texas Investigation into LinkedIn Ghost Jobs

48:32 - Political Theater and Lawsuits in the Job Market

54:41 - Humor and Closing Remarks

Indeed Terms, LinkedIn Ghosts, & Google Pitchforks

Shredded: Signal Labs, BrassRing, Recur Software, PCRecruiter, Refer, Deel, Talentware, & More

The TL;DR: What happens when HR tech's most prominent conversational AI platform gets swallowed by an enterprise titan? 

In this high-octane episode, Chad and Cheese sit down with Adam Godson—the newly crowned GM of Talent Acquisition Products at Workday—to dissect the aftermath of the Paradox acquisition. Forget standard corporate buzzwords; this is a raw look at how AI "agents" are systematically dismantling traditional software, why the SAS pricing model is officially on life support, and what it actually takes to survive the "SAS Apocalypse."

 The Death of the "Click-and-Scroll" ATS

 The "SAS Apocalypse" is Real

 Resumes are "Lousy" 2D Artifacts

 Recruiting is Splitting in Two

"What you get rid of is the people that wish they were talking to candidates, but are clicking buttons in the system. And that's a good thing."

— Adam Godson

Why it matters: This episode serves as a blueprint for the next five years of recruitment tech. If you are still relying on legacy keywords, manual data entry, and traditional seat licenses, your strategy is already on borrowed time.

AI Takes The Boring Part w/ Adam Godson

The boys are diving headfirst into the algorithmic trenches as LinkedIn battles a massive influx of AI-generated content that is actively derailing user feeds. 

This automation wave is sparking a larger debate on the future of recruitment, especially as Indeed looks to double down on automated agents to reshape how hiring works. 

However, this aggressive tech pivot is already causing serious friction in the real world. A major multi-unit franchisee, Hamra Enterprises, found itself locked in a high-stakes standoff with Indeed over systemic backend glitches that disrupted major brand campaigns and nearly triggered a massive spending boycott.

Beyond the corporate drama, the boys lock in their predictions for a massive international soccer finale and share a wild, graphic true-crime story from overseas that you truly have to hear to believe. Plus, the HR tech landscape is shifting fast with a wave of new product drops and strategic alliances. 

The crew breaks down the massive legal and compliance risks hidden inside the latest Recruitics and Maki People integration, dissects the market strategy behind the newest Appcast launch, and debates whether a three-way partnership between HireEZ, Next, and Talroo is a brilliant counter-strategy to industry giants or just a culturally messy survival play.

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction and Episode Overview

01:00 - Chad's Wreckfest and World Cup Adventures

04:24 - AI in Movies and the Slotbuster Phenomenon

06:20 - AI-generated Content on Social Media

08:35 - World Cup Predictions and Rivalries

11:45 - Shoutouts and Political Satire

16:30 - Moscow Penis Biting Incident and Legal Penalties

22:08 - Indeed's Disposition Data and Industry Pushback

30:27 - The Future of Job Search and AI Agents

36:40 - Sponsorships and Recruitment Tech Announcements

37:26 - Recruitics Partnership with Mackey and AI Screening

45:32 - Industry Consolidation and Strategic Moves

53:46 - Closing Remarks and Dad Jokes

Indeed Cautionary Tales

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

Shredded: Mercor, Deeptune, Sherpa, Employ, ID.me, Warp, Pebl, & More

Chad and Cheese drag Josh Secrest, Paradox’s Head of Marketing, into the hot seat. Josh’s resume boasts stints at both Abercrombie & Fitch and McDonald's.

Once the guys stop badgering Josh about the Golden Arches, they get into why your current frontline application process is a flaming dumpster fire:

 The Velocity Deficit: The average restaurant or retail shop takes 16 painful days to lock down a frontline worker. The automated elite? They’re doing it in 3.5 days. Frontline candidates are applying to 25 jobs simultaneously; if you aren't the first to text them back, you’re just a ghost in their inbox while your remaining staff burns out.

 The Real Cost of "Quick Quits": Josh officially declares standard "time to hire" dead. The only metrics that actually impact the C-suite are the Break-Even Point (the magic 31-day mark where a worker finally stops costing you money) and the Retention Sticking Point (day 100, where they actually become a fixture). If your hires drop out before day 31, congratulations—you just subsidized their brief stint at your expense.

 Administrative Errand Boys: Your highly paid store managers are burning 10 to 12 hours a week acting as calendar secretaries, copy-pasting interview schedules and building shift templates. Paradox aims to execute that administrative trivia so managers can do the unfathomable: stand front-of-house and generate revenue.

The Cold Hard Truth: Stop making people take a 45-minute personality quiz to flip a burger or stock a shelf. Automate the blocking and tackling, match their schedule instantly, or get used to looking at a red balance sheet.

Hire Fast or Lose w/ Josh Secrest

The boys checkout Uncommon.co‘s product demo. And there’s beer too. Enjoy. Audio Only. For the video please go to the YouTube channel.

Uncommon.co Demo

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