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Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin), these two won’t just tell you what’s happening—they’ll tell you why you’re probably doing it wrong. Buckle up, buttercup.

The Chad & Cheese Podcast

The boys are back, but with a global twist as "Euro Chad" finally settles into his new life overseas, proving that moving a household might actually be more harrowing than a literal firefight.

On this episode, they mix up a spicy cocktail of underdog victories and light geopolitical roasting, questioning if "nostalgia" is a strategy or just a slow death. Between celebrating Delta Air Lines and their massive commitment to people-first models and analyzing a "rupture" in the global order, the hosts explore why being at the table is the only way to avoid being on the menu.

The global tech giants are sneezing and it makes us wonder if HR tech players will catch a cold as a result. From OpenAI’s potential pivot toward ads and "Head of Preparedness" roles to the quiet death of Meta’s Horizon Workrooms, no one is safe from the roast. 

They dive deep into whether Phenom’s acquisition of Included AI is a stroke of "agentic" genius or a "spaghetti at the wall" tuck-in, while casting a skeptical eye on Jeff Taylor’s latest venture, BoomBand. Whether it's the future of ChatGPT's job search ambitions or industry legends attempting to recapture lightning in a bottle, this episode is a masterclass in why you can’t look away from the train wreck of innovation.

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction and Personal Updates

02:57 - College Football and Indiana's Success

06:00 - OpenAI's New Developments and Challenges

18:56 - Geopolitical Commentary and Industry Predictions

26:41 - Acquisition Insights: Phenom and Included

34:01 - Delta Airlines: Profit Sharing and Economic Concerns

40:26 - The Metaverse: Meta's Retreat from Virtual Reality

50:00 - Boom Band: Jeff Taylor's New Venture

Phenom Shops, OpenAI Jobs & Boomband Launches

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

Shredded: Toptal, Graphite, AINA, Resquad AI, Boomband, Delta Air Lines, OpenAI & More

Before job boards were obvious, before résumés were broken beyond repair, and before “AI in recruiting” was a buzzword, Jeff Taylor was already there building Monster from a dream, a notebook, and a whole lot of pushback.

In this special live conversation, Jeff sits down with Joel Cheesman to walk through the real Monster story: the early rejections, the $4M sale that could’ve been billions, the Super Bowl gamble everyone said was a mistake, the LinkedIn deal that never was, and why résumés and job postings are fundamentally failing today.

From DJ booths to dot-com booms, from getting humbled by Facebook to getting rebuilt at Bridgewater, Jeff explains why he’s back and why BoomBand might be his most ambitious swing yet.

Big ideas. Bigger regrets. Zero nostalgia. And one founder who’s still swinging for the fences.

Monster in the Making: Jeff Taylor, Big Bets and Next Boom

The latest installment of The Chad & Cheese Podcast kicks off 2026 with a skeleton crew and a surplus of snark. While Chad Sowash is busy plotting his escape to the beach, Joel Cheesman, J.T. O'Donnell, and Lieven dive into a workforce landscape that feels more like a digital battlefield than a job market.

 The trio explores why today’s entry-level talent might be fundamentally "broken" by recent history and how a new wave of high-tech sabotage—involving hidden AI commands—is forcing platforms like Indeed to overhaul their defenses. Between roasts of industry giants and a deep dive into "agentic" automation, the panel questions if the traditional act of "applying" for a job is officially dead.

The chaos doesn't stop at the office door, as the conversation swerves into the bizarre intersection of professional networking and romantic snooping. From high-level CEO shuffles at Oyster and Textio to a major university scandal involving a fake Einstein quote, this episode exposes the growing pains of an AI-saturated world. 

Whether it’s a "desperate" new ad campaign from ZipRecruiter or the strange rise of job hunting on dating apps, the crew connects the dots between global trends and absolute industry absurdity. Tune in to find out who’s winning the HR tech wars and why 2026 is already off the rails.

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction and French Fry Debate

02:59 - Impact of COVID on Entry-Level Jobs

05:57 - The Role of AI in Job Applications

09:08 - Leadership Changes in the Industry

11:44 - Indeed's Response to Resume Manipulation

14:55 - The Future of Job Recruitment

17:57 - Wrap-Up and Final Thoughts

28:32 - Leveraging Opportunities in Job Searching

29:57 - The Impact of Quiet Hiring on Job Market

31:29 - Navigating ATS and Job Applications

32:53 - The Evolution of Recruitment Technology

34:41 - LinkedIn's Response to AI and Competition

36:56 - The Future of Agentic Recruiting

39:56 - AI in Job Applications: A New Era

42:56 - The Intersection of Dating and Job Seeking

56:05 - Creative Approaches to Networking and Recruitment

Indeed Battles the Hot Resume Injection | Artisan vs. LinkedIn

Shredded: LinkedIn, Indeed, Artisan AI, Meta, Oyster, Textio, OpenAI & More

AI didn’t kill creativity — it buried it under a mountain of soulless slop.

The boys are back with Jim Kukral, recovering politician, cancer survivor, proud Clevelander, and Admiral of the Cleveland Floaters — to torch the algorithmic apocalypse. From Coca-Cola’s AI holiday ads to the coming “Chipotle Effect” (when robots make your burrito so perfect it finally creeps you out), Jim says humanity’s last unfair advantage is… being human.

So he quit his job and started throwing wild, screen-free boat parties on Lake Erie to prove it.

Meanwhile, Chad asks the uncomfortable question:Are we really ready to fight back — or are we already too comfy with our AI girlfriends and digital cages?

Laughter, existential dread, sweaty dance floors, and zero filters.This one hits different.

Human Renaissance with Jim Kukral

It's our prediction episode. What else could you possibly need to know to push PLAY? 

We recap 2025 - what we and our friends got right and wrong - and get our crystal ball out for 2026. This year, friends of the show, Jason Putnam, Quincy Valencia, Emi Beredugu and J.T. O'Donnell join the boys - including Lieven - in guessing what's in store for the world of work in the year to come.

The usual suspects, like ZipRecruiter, Indeed, iCIMS and others are highlighted, as well as big trends like automation, A.I. and more are discussed. So what are you waiting for? Get a jump on '26 and hit the ground running.

2026 Predictions Show

Shredded: Hyundai, Boston Dynamics, ChatGPT, Accenture, Faculty, ZipRecruiter & More

Chad & Cheese go full rebel mode with Kim Storin, the marathon-running, transformation-junkie CMO at Zoom, who just unleashed the company's biggest brand campaign ever: "Zoom Ahead." Featuring SNL's Bowen Yang in a hilarious workplace uprising (written and produced by Colin Jost's No Notes agency), the spot is a love letter to frustrated users everywhere—lampooning clunky competitors while reminding the world why people actually love Zoom. 

Kim dishes on reigniting that pandemic-era passion, pivoting from IT buyers to everyday users, embedding groundbreaking AI into workflows, expanding beyond meetings (hello, contact centers, events, and the fresh Bright Hire acquisition for recruiting), and fighting the short-term "coin-operated" mindset with real long-term brand building. 

She talks partnering with the C-suite for true ROI, the rise of "human-in-the-loop" over AI slop, empowering employees as brand evangelists, and why trust and customer-centric stories trump CEO monologues every time. 

Raw, strategic, and packed with insights for anyone in HR tech or marketing—this episode is a masterclass in keeping an iconic brand human in an AI world.

Marketing's Blind Spot with Zoom's CMO Kim Storin

2025 didn’t just shake HR and recruiting. Nope, it yanked the curtain back and lit the place on fire.

This year-in-review isn’t about press releases and keynote fluff. It’s about what really went down when the doors were closed: job boards locking down your hiring data like it’s nuclear codes, HR tech rivals apparently confusing “competition” with espionage, private equity strip-mining legacy platforms,and founders playing 4D chess while employees got stuck paying the entry fee.

From Indeed trying to own the entire hiring pipeline, to the Rippling vs. Deel spy thriller nobody asked for, to Monster France shutting its doors while exec bonuses stayed warm, to Job.com’s bankruptcy unfolding like reality TV — none of this is theoretical. It all happened.

Add AI agents ghosting resumes, Slack messages turning into courtroom exhibits, LinkedIn becoming a credibility minefield, and recruiters caught in the blast radius wondering how the hell this became their job.

Welcome to 2025's Wrap-Up Show. HR’s messiest season yet. 🍿

2025 Wrap-Up Show

Things are getting a tad heavy, huh? Maybe you just need some Chad & Cheese to make it all better?
On this week's show:

SmashFly gets an X,

Some Good News for Communo

Facebook says, "Lower pay for you!"

Andrew Yang says 3 day weekends rule!

Spain marches toward equity and UBI

Who gives a crap?

Come off the ledge, pour a cold one and relax. Just let your ears do all the work. As usual, The Chad & Cheese Podcast is powered by Sovren, JobAdx and Jobvite.

Smashfly's New X Rating?

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