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Evergreen Podcasts

Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin), these two won’t just tell you what’s happening—they’ll tell you why you’re probably doing it wrong. Buckle up, buttercup.

The Chad & Cheese Podcast

It is officially Joel-Free June, which means Joel is off on an extended European holiday while Chad holds down the fort with two brilliant industry heavyweights: Emi Beredugo and JT O'Donnell. 

From boardroom coups and high-stakes acquisitions to massive corporate grifts, the trio dives deep into a chaotic week of HR technology news. 

 
Stepstone's Plot Twist

 
JobGet Snaps Up Ripple Match

 
The Job.com Meltdown

 
The Point Solution Funeral

Billionaires, Layoffs, & Job Slop

 
AI Lost in Translation

Listener Shoutout: A massive shoutout to TA champion Terry Dewey for slashing their organization's Indeed spend over the past 12 months by putting our podcast strategies to work! Keep the cash, Terry, but feel free to ship that bottle of whiskey to the studio anyway. 

Don't miss Chad and Emi live at Recfest UK on July 2nd at Knebworth Park! Emi is taking over the Innovate Stage as MC, while Chad and a freshly returned Joel will be bringing the noise to the Disrupt Stage. 

Get your incredibly soft The Chad & Cheese t-shirts, free beer, and free whiskey by heading over to chadandcheese.com/free.

Google & OpenAI's Job Slop

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

Shredded: JobGet, RippleMatch, BOLD, Joblist, ZipRecruiter, Factorial, Stepstone Group, & More

HR’s Most Dangerous Podcast Just Dropped a Big Gulp of Truth. 🥤

Think automated hiring is just a cold, heartless robot out to steal your corporate badge? Think again. 

Chad and Cheese sit down with Rachel Allen, Senior Director of TA at 7-Eleven. She manages over 110,000 hires a year and automated 95% of their store recruitment. 

The result? They slashed time-to-hire from 10+ days to under three (and sometimes three hours, because speed kills). 

 
Meet "Rita": The AI assistant so good, store managers literally asked to meet her in person. (Awkward...) 

 
"Help is Coming": How to drop a massive tech overhaul on your staff without causing a mutiny. 

 
The Marketing Hijack: How the TA team hitched a ride on product shipments to score free recruitment marketing. 

 
Accidental Quality: How solving for pure speed accidentally fixed their crap candidate quality and retention problems. 

"Where we mess up sometimes is we lead with the technology—the shiny new thing—versus what are we solving for?"

— Rachel Allen, 7-Eleven

 

Whether you’re drowning in high-volume resumes or sweating bullets that a chatbot is coming for your sourcing desk, Rachel drops a masterclass on putting humans where they actually matter.

7-Eleven: 24-7 AI Hiring

Grab your pastel shorts and a cold drink because Chad is broadcasting live from Portugal, celebrating his birthday alongside a local bar owner while Joel prepares for a milestone anniversary trip to Italy. 

In this high-energy, unfiltered episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, the boys take a sledgehammer to the current AI hype cycle, contrasting Workday’s massive earnings and $500 million agentic AI run rate against the harsh reality of Microsoft and Uber scaling back their tech due to exploding compute costs. 

From Stepstone’s new EU compliance push to Indeed’s automated features, Chad drops a massive hot take on how over-engineered recruiting tools create dangerous compliance risks and automation bias. 

They tie up the loose ends of the global economy by breaking down everything from the historic Indy 500 finish and a comedic eulogy for Schlitz beer, to the Pope's latest tech warnings and the EU's pivot to renewable energy as a national security weapon. 

It is the perfect, loose, and brutally honest mix of global geopolitics, HR tech consolidation, and birthday banter that you absolutely cannot miss.

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction and Personal Milestones

02:08 - Joel and Chad's Birthdays and Anniversaries

04:27 - Industry Conference Insights: Old Dogs vs. Disruptors

08:34 - Shoutouts and Personal Highlights

11:28 - Indy 500 Race Highlights and Experience

16:28 - Workday's Earnings and AI Investment

20:04 - AI Market Race: Google, OpenAI, and Industry Disruption

23:06 - Historical Perspective: Netscape and Microsoft's Browser War

27:39 - Top Tall's Acquisition Strategy and Market Position

30:02 - EU and US AI Regulations and Industry Impact

40:05 - AI's Cost Challenges and Economic Realities

44:23 - Public Perception and Future of AI

47:50 - Global Energy Transition and Geopolitical Implications

54:38 - US Dollar, Oil, and Global Power Dynamics

55:23 - Humorous Close and Birthday Wishes

Stepstone's Automation Bias Machine

Shredded: Workday, LinkedIn, RemotePass, Randstad, Toptal, Adeva, Poppulo, & More

Joel and Chad catch up with Patti Tabris, Senior Director of Talent Acquisition at ResultsCX, to discuss the massive impact of AI on global, high-volume hiring. 

The Highlights: 

 
The Power of "Olivia": The AI assistant that answered 1.8 million questions and scheduled over 100,000 interviews in just 12 months.

 
From Friction to Flow: Patti boosted assessment completion rates from 30% to 90%. 

 
Chat-First Applications: An impressive 80% conversion rate! 

 
The Funding Hack: A how-to on funding new tech. 

 
More Than a Bot: Beyond hiring, the team is now implementing AI for onboarding to handle first-day FAQs and pre-boarding care. 

"Recruiting is all about getting to meet as many people to see if they're qualified... if we can implement AI to do the administrative work, recruiters can spend more time with candidates." — Patti Tabris

Our AI Answered 1.8m Questions w/ Patti Tabris

What happens when HR tech giants crush earnings while the rest of the industry faces massive layoffs? In this special episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, Joel Cheesman is joined by guest co-host J.T. O'Donnell to deliver a dose of optimistic realism on the chaotic state of the 2026 job market. 

Before diving into the heavy-hitting industry news, the duo kicks things off with plenty of humor, swapping banter over deviled egg recipes, Memorial Day cookout plans, upcoming European travel, and why Southwest Airlines is making headlines with a strict new ban on humanoid robots. 

They also share a quick streaming recommendation for Apple TV's Your Friends and Neighbors and give a nod to the Crime Junkies podcast before getting down to business.The core of the episode spotlights a deeply divided job market where massive tech layoffs collide with explosive corporate growth. 

Joel and J.T. break down the staggering down-sizing trends hitting Meta and LinkedIn, contrasting those cuts with the massive, expectation-shattering earnings report just released by Recruit Holdings, the parent company of Indeed and Glassdoor. 

J.T. lends her expertise to LinkedIn’s aggressive new strategy to launch thousands of gated, paid creator-led virtual events to combat generic platform "slop." 

Finally, the hosts look at the changing face of automation, analyzing how artificial intelligence is shifting call center dynamics abroad, and exploring Amazon’s eerie new Alexa capability that generates fully synthetic podcasts on demand.

Deviled Eggs, LinkedIn Layoffs & Indeed's Monopoly

Shredded: LinkedIn, Recruit Holdings, Cosmico, Gyver, Saile, Arsenal, Deel, & More

How Ace Hardware Scaled to 100 Years with AI

Can a century-old brand out-recruit Amazon? In this episode, Stef Nikitas and Kaleigh Burns from Ace Hardware join Chad and Cheese to discuss "Project Hurricane"—the total overhaul of their hiring process. They share how they transformed a $500k "flyers and softball" budget into a $4 million automated recruiting machine. 

Key Highlights:

 
Who is this... Grace?

 
The "Toy" Test:

 
Differentiate or Die

 
The 2-Minute App

Stop "posting and praying" and start listening to how one of America’s most iconic brands is winning the talent war through high-tech helpfulness.

How did the Ace team manage the "culture shock" of introducing AI to a workforce with such long-standing tenure?

Ace Hardware: Differentiate or Die

Grab your favorite beverage for a special, highly opinionated "just us girls" episode of the podcast, featuring Joel Cheesman and Maureen “Moe” Clough taking the mic without the rest of the usual crew. 

This week, the duo delivers a light-hearted yet deeply substantive look into the massive worker backlash against artificial intelligence and the brutal realities of today's hiring market. The hosts kick things off with quick hits covering a disastrous, heavily booed commencement speech at the University of Central Florida and a surprising take on the narrative depth of The Devil Wears Prada 2.

From there, the conversation tackles major industry shifts as massive job platforms like Upwork and ZipRecruiter face severe financial softening, sparking a debate on whether automation is permanently consuming traditional contractor roles. The gloves come off as they dissect a bold claim from Andreessen Horowitz labeling legacy HR software giants like Workday a "cartel," while analyzing how defensive tech acquisitions—such as Ashby buying Talent Llama—signal a broader software-as-a-service apocalypse.

Moe offers her expertise on age discrimination, discussing a lawsuit against Bloomberg Industry Group. The discussion moves to the backlash against automated hiring tools and LinkedIn’s new paid consultation feature. Finally, there is a disagreement over Google's new Gemini-powered smart glasses.

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction to the Podcast and Hosts

01:35 - Current Events and AI's Impact

05:30 - AI and the Youth Perspective

10:01 - Data Centers and Community Impact16:31Industry News: Upwork, ZipRecruiter, and Workday

19:59 - The Future of Work and AI's Role

22:00 - The SaaS Cartel and Its Challenges

25:02 - Age Discrimination in the Workplace

34:56 - AI's Role in Hiring and Recruitment

42:21 - The Rapid Evolution of AI in Hiring

45:04 - LinkedIn's New Monetization Features

52:51 - The Controversy of Smart Glasses

01:03:01 - The Inevitable Rise of Smart Technology

Our AI Answered 1.8m Questions w/ Patti Tabris

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