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Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin), these two won’t just tell you what’s happening—they’ll tell you why you’re probably doing it wrong. Buckle up, buttercup.

The Chad & Cheese Podcast

What do a big couch, a can of Stella, and four of the biggest personalities in recruitment have in common? They’re all live from RecFest this week, covering the hottest topics in the world of hiring.

Chad, Joel, Mo’, and J.T. are on hand to talk about everything from an HR tech founder facing up to 20 years behind bars to the great iced-latte-in-job-interviews debate sweeping the land.

First up, the crew covers all things RecFest USA live from the Shaker Recruitment Marketing booth, each offering a unique take on the world’s hottest recruitment conference. You may have heard about the recent controversy over an iced latte that made its way into an interview—and then drew criticism from a practitioner. Yeah, that gets covered.

Then it’s news time. The team discusses the recent guilty plea by the former CEO and founder of Joonko, who is looking at as much as 20 years in prison after allegedly ripping off investors to the tune of $27 million.

Next, the gang turns to Harver’s acquisition of Symphony Talent, a move destined to rattle recruitment ad agencies for years to come. Does the future favor the agency? The group weighs in.

Then comes a Chad & Cheese first: a representative from Findem makes a sponsored announcement about the company’s latest product drop, Findem Studio.

To wrap things up, the crew looks at ZoomInfo’s newly launched Talent Autopilot, a sourcing tool the company hopes will shake up the industry by tapping a dataset it calls second to none.It’s a fun wrap-up from Nashville at the end of RecFest’s first big day. Now pass the hot chicken.

Guilty Pleas, Autopilots and Iced Lattes: RecFest USA Live

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment.

Shredded: DailyPay, Workday, Meta, Recruitics, ZoomInfo, Fuel50, Linkedin, & More

This week on Chad and Cheese, Joel and JT unpack four stories that actually matter if you hire, manage, or look for work. Buckle-up buttercup!

Meta just reversed two of its most controversial internal bets: pushing individual contributors back into middle-management seats after the layoffs, and pausing a monitoring program employees believed was training their AI replacements. The hosts dig into what the internal data showed, why “no managers, full surveillance” keeps failing at scale, and what it does to a brand that used to be a résumé flex.

Then they hit a Business Insider piece on “LinkedIn lunatics”—the people who post like their career depends on it. JT is in the article. They talk about why the platform now rewards proof of knowledge over old job titles, why companies that police employee posting may have a bigger problem than they think, and where LinkedIn’s real money might be heading next.

Who’d You Rather pits two freshly funded plays against each other: Jack and Jill, a conversational-AI recruiter that just raised $40 million, versus Boomerang HR, an alumni-network platform that raised $12.7 million. One host goes big and conversational. The other bets the niche player survives the giants.

They close on Bernie Sanders and Mark Takano’s bill to phase the work week from 40 hours to 32 with no pay cut. JT has already run a shorter week. Joel likes the theory and questions whether Slack and after-hours email would let anyone actually unplug.

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction and episode overview

04:03 - AI's real threats and opportunities

07:58 - The political landscape of AI regulation

10:08 - The future of AI agents and their impact

12:05 - The evolution of social media and LinkedIn

13:56 - The concept of LinkedIn as a platform for validation

16:10 - The changing nature of employee branding and social media

18:00 - Controversial advertising and brand strategy

20:01 - Upcoming events and travel plans

21:54 - Fantasy football league update

24:03 - Meta's internal policy reversals and lessons

25:57 - The future of work and AI in HR

28:10 - The importance of human oversight in AI systems

29:56 - The potential of AI to monetize individual expertise

31:58 - Who'd you rather? Company comparisons

33:59 - Historical lessons on technology and automation

36:09 - The importance of employee activity on social media

37:58 - The role of AI in recruitment and job seeking

39:55 - The shift from corporate control to individual branding

42:00 - The untapped potential of employee advocacy

43:55 - Legal and ethical considerations in AI and surveillance

46:03 - The coming digital renaissance and new monetization models

48:01 - Predictions for the future of AI and work

50:05 - The impact of new legislation on work hours

52:12 - The benefits of a shorter workweek and flexible work policies

54:03 - The cultural shift towards work-life balance

56:06 - The importance of boundaries and boundaries management

58:03 - Humor and light-hearted moments in the discussion

59:56 - Close

Meta Employee Meltdown : LinkedIn Goes Loco : 32-Hour Work Week Law?

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

Shredded: Intermezzo, Meta, Oracle, LinkedIn, BoomerangHR, Glassdoor, Workday, & More

SmarterX founder and CEO Paul Roetzer joins the boys for a chat about how AI is reshaping the workforce in ways most don't suspect. Paul sold his marketing agency in 2021 as AI was already writing at near-human level—then ChatGPT showed up and things went into hyperdrive. 

Bentley and Gallup’s 2026 numbers say most Americans, especially young ones, don’t trust companies that use AI, while Microsoft, Google, and every CRM already do. 

Paul talks human-centered adoption, Jobs GPT, Copilot/Gemini/Claude stall-outs, why IT shouldn’t own this, and what IBM, Deloitte, and McKinsey actually sell. 

He walks through his Co-CEO GPT, a nine-month Anthropic/Claude build, HubSpot Breeze, Monday data agents, “human in the loop” versus a phrase he coins live, the 100-person split that becomes an HR problem, recruiting through a flood of AI applications, liberal-arts hires, and what he tells parents when asked about AI and entry level jobs.

How AI is Reshaping the Workplace with Paul Roetzer

Joel, Chad , and Emi break down the intersection of AI recruitment technology, global labor markets, and industry regulation, alongside pop culture banter and sports highlights. 

Key Topics Covered:Pop Culture & Fantasy Football: Reactions to Steve Ballmer's retro Microsoft commercials and NBA ban, US Open tennis highlights, and fantasy football draft grades. 

HR Tech & Startups: Spotlights on Sonic Jobs' LLM integrations, Hackajob's Archer agent rebranding following a 3x ARR increase, and previews of global HR events. 

The H-1B & Union Debate: A look at how H-1B visa restrictions drive different hiring behaviors. 

Jobs Report Reality Check: An analysis of August's 162,000 job additions, against structural economic shifts, immigration, and tariff impacts. 

AI Compliance & Job Board Evolution: The European crackdown on fully automated management illustrated by Uber's €825 million Dutch fine, and what the closure of Guardian Jobs signals for traditional recruitment advertising.

Jobs Utopia or Fiasco?

Shredded: Factorial, Empion, Werkhelden, JobBooster, Guardian Jobs, Jobbio, Amply, & More

On this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, Joel and Chad welcome Lauren B. Jones—founder and CEO of Leap Advisory Partners and author of Real Girls Roadmap to Mastering AI—fresh off the farm in Northern California where the roosters clock in at 4:30 a.m. 

With nearly 30 years in staffing and recruiting under her belt, Lauren cuts through the AI hype with a no-BS reality check: most companies claim they’re using AI, but only a fraction are seeing real ROI because they’re chasing shiny tools instead of solving actual problems. 

She breaks down why leaders still need to get the basics right, how to stop the “slop,” and why policy, education, and enablement—in that order—matter more than ever. 

Plus, they dig into why women approach AI differently, what parents should be teaching their kids, and why treating AI like Google is a fast track to garbage output. It’s practical, a little snarky, and exactly the kind of conversation HR’s Most Dangerous Podcast was made for.

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction to Lauren B. Jones and episode overview

02:01 - The current state of AI adoption in staffing and recruiting

04:09 - How leaders can start educating themselves about AI capabilities

06:10 - Framework for organizations: eliminate, automate, AI

07:53 - Using surveys to identify automation opportunities

10:13 - The importance of policy, education, and enablement in AI adoption

11:59 - Global policy landscape and the need for regulation

14:08 - The evolution of AI tools like Jasper and ChatGPT

16:04 - Research findings on women and AI in the workplace

17:54 - The motivation behind writing 'Real Girls Roadmap to Mastering AI'

20:10 - Overcoming overthinking and confusion in AI adoption

22:10 - Advice for parents and children on AI safety and skills

24:02 - The impact of social media and AI on society

26:00 - The role of quality input and human oversight in AI outputs

27:57 - Connecting with Lauren B. Jones and final thoughts

Real Girls, Real AI & Real Talk with Lauren B. Jones

The latest episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast delivers a hard-hitting breakdown of massive developments across technology, enterprise software, and corporate compliance. 

The boys tackle Salesforce leading a massive $166 million investment round into HR tech provider HiBob, exploring how this ties into broader ecosystems involving competitors like Deel, Rippling, SAP, SmartRecruiters, Workday, Paradox, Greenhouse, and iCIMS. 

They also break down a controversial promotional stunt by startup Lemon Lime at an unofficial Y Combinator afterparty, where attendees were offered fast-track job interviews in exchange for getting company tattoos. 

The conversation then shifts to the future of labor, dissecting Bill Gates’ latest decade-long predictions regarding AI automation and workforce displacement. 

Finally, the co-hosts investigate a major regulatory shakeup from the Department of Labor (DOL) and the Office of Federal Contract Compliance Programs (OFCCP). 

They explore the rollbacks of critical affirmative action hiring mandates for federal contractors, alongside a projected budget proposal that could defund the watchdog agency and transfer its remaining functions to the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction to the episode and main themes

01:58 - Discussion on AI's disruptive potential in the workforce

03:59 - Recent funding and valuation of HR platforms like Hi Bob

08:04 - Policy changes impacting diversity and veteran hiring

11:57 - Humorous stories about personal experiences and industry events

19:55 - The resurgence of SaaS companies and their strategic moves

28:00 - Bill Gates' warnings on AI and workforce disruption

34:02 - The societal impact of AI and economic considerations

45:02 - The trend of using jobs for marketing and employer branding

55:02 - Humorous anecdotes about tattoos and job interviews

HiBob Beast Mode & DOL Dismantles Worker Protections

Shredded: Workday, Yardstik, Accenture, McCoy, Comware, Recruiter.com, HiBob, & More

From the Shaker Green Room at RecFest USA, Julie Sowash, executive director of Disability Solutions, survived Chad & Cheese’s snarkapalooza to talk AI ethics, data transparency, and why hiring underrepresented talent is more than a checkbox exercise. She preached the gospel of blending tech with human connection (shocking, we know) and reminded companies that “diversity commitment” isn’t code for “nice press release.”
Julie also spilled on how 2024’s economic rollercoaster crushed some dreams but made strategic DEI even more essential. Oh, and she managed to keep things heartfelt, even shouting out her co-host/husband, Chad — proving love can survive even that much sarcasm.

Here are the episode chapters:
0:00:00 - Podcast Intro
0:00:25 - Meet Julie Sowash
0:01:03 - Key Advice for TA Leaders
0:02:21 - DEI Commitments vs. Corporate Retreats
0:03:46 - Ethical AI in Recruiting
0:05:34 - 2024 Market Surprises
0:07:42 - Overcoming DEI Implementation Hurdles
0:09:04 - Looking Ahead to 2025

Navigating DEI's Shifting Landscape in Recruitment

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