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Evergreen Podcasts

Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin), these two won’t just tell you what’s happening—they’ll tell you why you’re probably doing it wrong. Buckle up, buttercup.

The Chad & Cheese Podcast

Domino’s isn’t just delivering pizza in 30 minutes or less anymore—they’re trying to deliver candidates, too. In this episode, we sit down with Matt King, Director of HR Tech at Domino’s, to talk AI, ATS drama, and why franchisees always have “better ideas” than corporate.

From killing off Kenexa (RIP, nobody misses you) to jumping into bed with SmartRecruiters, Domino’s is betting big on speed, automation, and a sprinkle of chatbot charm. Matt spills on:

 
Why hiring at Domino’s must be as fast as ordering a pepperoni with extra cheese.

 
How chatbots went from clunky decision trees to almost-human assistants (minus the dad jokes).

 
What happens when franchisees get in a room with vendors.

 
The eternal struggle between human touch and “just let the damn bot send the background check reminder.”

 
And yes—we even asked about the Noid. Because if Domino’s doesn’t bring him back as a recruiting chatbot, what are we even doing here?

It’s tech, pizza, and questionable morals—just another day on The Chad & Cheese Podcast: AI Sessions.

Domino’s HR Tech Transformation with Matt King

Hold onto your headphones, folks, because the Chad and Cheese Podcast is serving up a hilarious, hot-mess buffet of insights that’ll leave you laughing and maybe a little worried about your career! 

This episode, your hosts sling snarky banter like baristas tossing espresso shots, breezing through early chit-chat about travel woes, Coldplay’s drama-fest, LinkedIn’s questionable career tips, sports shout-outs, Walmart’s employee discount PR stunt, free swag, and fantasy football. 

But the real meat hits after the 15-minute mark, where they dive into the chaos facing recent grads—think degrees collecting dust while the job market laughs. The future of work gets a roasting, with the creator economy shining as the cool kid at the career fair, while AI and economic shenanigans threaten to swipe jobs faster than you can say “pivot.” 

Teaching’s future? It’s AI’s new playground. Silicon Valley’s traded ping-pong tables for “purpose,” but don’t get too cozy—tech employment’s a rollercoaster, and global competition’s got everyone sweating. 

Job boards like ZipRecruiter are wheezing in the dust, outrun by AI, and in a plot twist nobody saw coming, the hosts ponder if newspaper job ads might stage a retro comeback. It’s a wild, witty ride through the workforce’s new reality—adapt or get left behind, and maybe grab a newspaper just in case.

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction and Banter

00:29 - Travel and Cultural Observations

02:26 - Coldplay Drama and LinkedIn Insights

04:12 - Shout Outs and Celebrating Progress in Sports

09:20 - Walmart's Employee Discount Initiative

11:00 - Free Stuff and Promotions

12:10 - Travel Plans and Upcoming Events

13:14 - Fantasy Football and Sports Culture

14:26 - Challenges for Recent Graduates

18:30 - The Future of Work and the Creator Economy

21:04 - The Impact of AI and Economic Factors on Employment

22:53 - The Future of Teaching and AI

24:49 - Silicon Valley's Shift: From Perks to Purpose

27:16 - The Changing Landscape of Tech Employment

30:21 - Global Competition and the Tech Industry

32:03 - The Decline of Job Boards and the Rise of AI

39:34 - Reviving Newspaper Job Ads: A Retro Solution?

48:27 - Closing Thoughts and Dad Jokes

It's the End of Entry Level Jobs as We Know It (and I Feel Fine) : Silicon Valley Gets Hard

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

Shredded: ZipRecruiter, DHI Group, AgileATS, Kelly Services, Darwinbox, Upwork, Bubty & More

In this episode, the boys chat with Sarah Needleman, Business Insider’s Leadership and Workplace Correspondent, formerly of the Wall Street Journal for 23 years. Her article, “If You Think Your Job Is Hard Right Now, Try Working in HR,” dives into HR’s brutal post-2020 landscape: mass layoffs (like Microsoft’s 9,000 cuts) burden HR with soul-crushing terminations, as Evan Loveless shared, facing tears and dashed hopes. 

AI automation shrinks HR teams, incivility spikes with employee backlash, and return-to-office mandates spark resentment over commutes and fairness. ICE raids and immigration fears—amped by Trump’s “big beautiful bill”—disrupt workplaces, with HR crafting response plans. 

Political uncertainty, like tariffs pausing hires, and H-1B visa exits to Canada/Europe strain talent pools. Interest in HR jobs is waning on Indeed, hinting at future shortages. Yet, many HR pros see this as a “calling” to shine via support and outplacement.

Why Working in HR Sucks Right Now with Sarah Needleman

In this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, hosts Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman—HR tech's dynamic duo of snark and smarts—serve up a buffet of industry drama with their trademark banter that'll have you chuckling harder than a recruiter dodging ghosting complaints. 

They start by painting a gloomy economic picture, complete with workforce imbalances that feel like a bad Tinder match, plus a heartfelt nod to breastfeeding support at work (because who doesn't love a good "pumping up the team" pun?). 

Things get real with layoff laments, treating employees like yesterday's LinkedIn spam. Shout-outs go personal with fantasy football eulogies (RIP to those dream teams) and event plugs, alongside travel tips for jet-setting talent hunters—pro tip: pack extra patience for airport security feels. 

The meaty bits? 

SAP snapping up SmartRecruiters like it's Black Friday shopping for ATS upgrades, pondering if AI recruiting will finally make hiring less of a dumpster fire, and how it'll mesh (or clash) with SuccessFactors. 

Earnings chit-chat skewers Indeed and LinkedIn's numbers, roasting Indeed's Branded Boost as a "blast from the past" that's more regression than revolution. Wrapping up, they dissect the Workday lawsuit's AI bias bombshell—because nothing says "fun" like robots playing favorites—and the eerie rise of virtual hotel check-ins, where your front desk clerk might be outsourcing from halfway around the world. 

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction and Mood Setting

02:27 - Economic Concerns and Workforce Imbalances

05:23 - Breastfeeding Support in the Workplace

08:15 - Employee Treatment and Layoffs

11:13 - Fantasy Football and Personal Tributes

14:00 - Upcoming Events and Travel Info

16:59 - SmartRecruiters Acquisition by SAP

18:26 - Future of ATS and AI in Recruitment

24:16 - The Future of Success Factors and Smart Recruiters

28:51 - Earnings Season Insights: Indeed and LinkedIn

36:23 - Indeed's New Branded Boost: A Step Backward?

42:03 - Legal Implications of AI in Hiring: The Workday Case

46:33 - The Rise of Virtual Check-Ins in Hospitality

SAP says BUY BUY BUY

Shredded: Sparrow, Wingspan, Bullhorn, TargetRecruit, Tako, Workday, Recruit Holdings & More

In this episode, the boys chat with Jeff Pole, the big brain behind Warden AI, for a no-holds-barred chat about AI bias in talent acquisition. 

They sliced and diced a juicy report comparing AI’s quirks to good ol’ human prejudice, serving up some spicy legal takes on what happens when robots play HR. 

The trio threw shade at sloppy AI systems, stressing that vendors and employers better team up like superheroes to keep things fair and square—or risk a legal smackdown. 

They also peeked into the crystal ball for AI’s hiring glow-up, while side-eyeing the political circus messing with AI rules and preaching the gospel of audits that go beyond just checking boxes for sex and race. 

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction to AI in Talent Acquisition

02:34 - Understanding AI Bias in Recruitment

05:29 - Comparing AI and Human Bias

08:28 - Legal Implications of AI in Hiring

11:24 - Vendor Responsibility and Compliance - Mobley v. Workday

14:17 - The Future of AI in Talent Acquisition

17:09 - Political Influences on AI Regulations

20:19 - Diversity and Inclusion in AI Audits

23:13 - Predictions for AI and Bias in the Workplace

Bias: AI vs. Human - Mobley v. Workday is Just the Beginning

On this week’s show:

 
🔌 Bold yanks the plug on Monster’s Euro-zone job boards faster than you can say “thoughtful transition.” Spoiler: if you had job credits, they’re as good as Monopoly money now.

 
🤡 Jamie & Doug send a painfully boring email instead of showing their faces. JT’s advice? Ditch the letter, pick up a camera, and maybe lose the flannel.

 
🔥 Job.com update – Turns out “we’re a tech company” means screwing over employees. 

 
💰 Anthropic’s valuation hits $170B by cozying up to Gulf sovereign funds. Nothing says ethical AI like cash from authoritarian regimes!

 
🧓 ServiceNow’s CEO transforms into Uncle Baby Billy, declaring robots better than humans because they don’t need lunch. Late-stage capitalism, y’all.

 
🫢 Astronomer pulls a Coldplay Kiss Cam scandal and somehow turns it into a Gwyneth Paltrow-powered PR win. 

👉 Listen now before all your favorite jobs get replaced by agents who don’t need to piss in garbage cans. 

Chapters

00:00 Introduction 

06:05 Celebrating the Lionesses' Victory

08:09 Workforce Landscape 

14:51 Bold and Job Market Dynamics

25:45 The Challenges of Job.com and Employee Rights

32:26 The Rise of AI 

46:41 Lessons from Astronomer

BOLD Pulls Monster's Plug

Live from UNLEASH America 2025, we’re serving up serious talent strategy with Meghan Rhatigan, VP of Talent Acquisition Experience at Marriott—and spoiler alert: job boards are dying, chatbots are rising, and recruitment will never be the same.

Inside this episode:

 
🤖 The rise (and limits) of chatbots

 
🔍 Why some candidates still prefer search over automation

 
📉 The slow death of job boards—and what comes next

 
🌎 How politics and immigration are reshaping DEI

 
🏃‍♀️ Speed vs. fit: are we hiring fast or hiring right?

Meghan brings 15 years of Marriott transformation to the table—tech, transparency, and a big ol’ dose of reality.

From authentic brand engagement to building a global, inclusive talent pool, this one’s packed with frontline insights HR pros and tech nerds alike will want to hear.

🎧 Tune in or risk clinging to your outdated ATS and broken career page like it’s 2015.

00:00 - In this Episode
0:27 - Meghan's Elevator Pitch
2:50 - Tech Transformation at Marriott
4:00 - What Has Changed in 15 Year Period in HR
5:55 - What Learnings Meghan Has Got in the Last 5 Years in Terms of Technology
8:56 - Chatbot vs. Search: Understanding User Preferences
10:46 - Difference Between the Application Process
12:10 - Rethinking Spend: The Decline of Job Boards
19:03 - What Marriott Does Organically to Drive Traffic and Brand Awareness
20:30 - Importance of Transparency
25:12 - What Some Political Topics Impact Marriott
27:08 - Future of Recruiting
30:57 - Speed vs. Fit in Hiring
33:08 - Products Meghan Wish Existed Today

Knocking Off Indeed with Meghan Rhatigan

In this episode, hosts start off with, what else, soccer snark, discussing Chelsea's Trump drama, then a little Tour de France trash-talk. Chad roasts Monster Europe's collapse, blasting Randstad and Apollo as "corporate cowards" ditching workers like bad dates. 

They dissect HelloWork's lawsuit against Indeed for yanking ATS feeds—Chad calls it a data domination plot, Joel bets on French PR patriotism trumping legal odds. 

"Buy or Sell" gets savage: MetaView's €30M note-taker? Chad and Lieven sell (no moat, just meh), Joel buys for human touch. Traxlo's €1.6M gig app? Joel and Lieven buy for retail grunt work, Chad sells (automation apocalypse incoming). Ordio's €12M deskless payroll? Joel and Lieven buy, Chad sells (pricing poultry—er, paltry). 

EQT X snags Adevinta's Spanish ops, InfoJobs included? PE panic—Chad and Joel scream "abandon ship!" And Paris-based Teleperformance gobbles up Agents Only, a Vancouver-based staffing company specializing in online workers for AI data annotation and customer service, which is a fancy way of saying "workers who check expiration dates on milk."

Europe: Hellowork vs. Indeed

In this episode of Talent Acquisition Week 2024, Liz Owens, the Talent Acquisition Manager at West Coast Fitness, joins Chad & Cheese for a laid-back therapy session. Liz delves into the intricacies of hiring for a renowned brand within the profitable fitness sector, discusses the challenges of collaborating with HR technology providers, and educates Joel on why the phrase "Fitness pizza in my mouth" isn't an accurate application of the word 'fitness' in the workplace.

Fit to Be Tied with Liz Owens

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