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Evergreen Podcasts

Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin), these two won’t just tell you what’s happening—they’ll tell you why you’re probably doing it wrong. Buckle up, buttercup.

The Chad & Cheese Podcast

This week on The Chad & Cheese Podcast, AI finally does what it does best: get companies sued.

Eightfold gets dragged into the legal spotlight over secret AI scores, mystery data enrichment, and a definition of “responsible AI” that seems to change depending on which slide deck you’re watching.

Meanwhile, Randstad says everything’s awesome while 40% of workers quietly grab a second job to keep the lights on. Cool cool cool. Totally normal economy.

Then it’s off to Davos, where billionaire AI CEOs confidently explain why white-collar jobs are disappearing, physical labor is the future, and—don’t worry—the government will totally figure it out. The pie will grow. Your slice? TBD.

Layer in Amazon and UPS layoffs, CEOs detachment from reality, and enough coded language to power a dystopian bingo card—and you’ve got an episode that asks the real question:

If AI is so smart… why is everything getting dumber?

🎙️ Equal parts HR reckoning, tech side-eye, and group therapy.You’re gonna want a drink for this one.

Eightfold Gets Served

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

Shredded: Tesla, Deel, Eightfold AI, Fiverr, Yaballe, Bullhorn, JobLeap, & More

In this episode, hosts Joel Cheesman and Chad Sowash sit down with Business Insider economy reporter Allie Kelly to unpack the real story behind the white-collar bloodbath sweeping across America. 

Far from the easy narrative blaming AI for vanishing jobs, Kelly reveals how sky-high Federal Reserve interest rates are choking company hiring, why aggressive deportation policies are quietly shrinking the labor force in key industries, and how a stubbornly low quit rate masks a job market that feels frozen for millions. 

Despite an unemployment rate hovering just above 4%, white-collar workers in tech and finance are stuck sending hundreds of applications into the void—while a massive skills mismatch leaves hot sectors desperate for talent.

 If you’re frustrated with today’s job hunt or wondering when the market will thaw, this no-holds-barred conversation cuts through the noise and delivers the economic truths everyone needs to hear.

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction to the Podcast and Guest

02:06 - Allie Kelly's Background and Expertise

03:58 - The Current Job Market Landscape

08:20 - Impact of Immigration on Labor Supply

10:12 - Understanding the Sluggish Job Market

12:46 - The Workforce Imbalance and Its Implications

15:41 - The Role of AI in Job Market Dynamics

19:40 - The Cycle of Hiring and Layoffs

20:31 - The Influence of Tariffs on Employment

24:30 - The Fragility of the Economy

 27:56 - Navigating the Current Economic Landscape

30:03 - Future Predictions and Economic Recovery

35:22 - The Role of Baby Boomers in the Economy

Stop Blaming AI with Allie Kelly

The boys are back, but with a global twist as "Euro Chad" finally settles into his new life overseas, proving that moving a household might actually be more harrowing than a literal firefight.

On this episode, they mix up a spicy cocktail of underdog victories and light geopolitical roasting, questioning if "nostalgia" is a strategy or just a slow death. Between celebrating Delta Air Lines and their massive commitment to people-first models and analyzing a "rupture" in the global order, the hosts explore why being at the table is the only way to avoid being on the menu.

The global tech giants are sneezing and it makes us wonder if HR tech players will catch a cold as a result. From OpenAI’s potential pivot toward ads and "Head of Preparedness" roles to the quiet death of Meta’s Horizon Workrooms, no one is safe from the roast. 

They dive deep into whether Phenom’s acquisition of Included AI is a stroke of "agentic" genius or a "spaghetti at the wall" tuck-in, while casting a skeptical eye on Jeff Taylor’s latest venture, BoomBand. Whether it's the future of ChatGPT's job search ambitions or industry legends attempting to recapture lightning in a bottle, this episode is a masterclass in why you can’t look away from the train wreck of innovation.

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction and Personal Updates

02:57 - College Football and Indiana's Success

06:00 - OpenAI's New Developments and Challenges

18:56 - Geopolitical Commentary and Industry Predictions

26:41 - Acquisition Insights: Phenom and Included

34:01 - Delta Airlines: Profit Sharing and Economic Concerns

40:26 - The Metaverse: Meta's Retreat from Virtual Reality

50:00 - Boom Band: Jeff Taylor's New Venture

Phenom Shops, OpenAI Jobs & Boomband Launches

Shredded: Toptal, Graphite, AINA, Resquad AI, Boomband, Delta Air Lines, OpenAI & More

Before job boards were obvious, before résumés were broken beyond repair, and before “AI in recruiting” was a buzzword, Jeff Taylor was already there building Monster from a dream, a notebook, and a whole lot of pushback.

In this special live conversation, Jeff sits down with Joel Cheesman to walk through the real Monster story: the early rejections, the $4M sale that could’ve been billions, the Super Bowl gamble everyone said was a mistake, the LinkedIn deal that never was, and why résumés and job postings are fundamentally failing today.

From DJ booths to dot-com booms, from getting humbled by Facebook to getting rebuilt at Bridgewater, Jeff explains why he’s back and why BoomBand might be his most ambitious swing yet.

Big ideas. Bigger regrets. Zero nostalgia. And one founder who’s still swinging for the fences.

Monster in the Making: Jeff Taylor, Big Bets and Next Boom

The latest installment of The Chad & Cheese Podcast kicks off 2026 with a skeleton crew and a surplus of snark. While Chad Sowash is busy plotting his escape to the beach, Joel Cheesman, J.T. O'Donnell, and Lieven dive into a workforce landscape that feels more like a digital battlefield than a job market.

 The trio explores why today’s entry-level talent might be fundamentally "broken" by recent history and how a new wave of high-tech sabotage—involving hidden AI commands—is forcing platforms like Indeed to overhaul their defenses. Between roasts of industry giants and a deep dive into "agentic" automation, the panel questions if the traditional act of "applying" for a job is officially dead.

The chaos doesn't stop at the office door, as the conversation swerves into the bizarre intersection of professional networking and romantic snooping. From high-level CEO shuffles at Oyster and Textio to a major university scandal involving a fake Einstein quote, this episode exposes the growing pains of an AI-saturated world. 

Whether it’s a "desperate" new ad campaign from ZipRecruiter or the strange rise of job hunting on dating apps, the crew connects the dots between global trends and absolute industry absurdity. Tune in to find out who’s winning the HR tech wars and why 2026 is already off the rails.

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction and French Fry Debate

02:59 - Impact of COVID on Entry-Level Jobs

05:57 - The Role of AI in Job Applications

09:08 - Leadership Changes in the Industry

11:44 - Indeed's Response to Resume Manipulation

14:55 - The Future of Job Recruitment

17:57 - Wrap-Up and Final Thoughts

28:32 - Leveraging Opportunities in Job Searching

29:57 - The Impact of Quiet Hiring on Job Market

31:29 - Navigating ATS and Job Applications

32:53 - The Evolution of Recruitment Technology

34:41 - LinkedIn's Response to AI and Competition

36:56 - The Future of Agentic Recruiting

39:56 - AI in Job Applications: A New Era

42:56 - The Intersection of Dating and Job Seeking

56:05 - Creative Approaches to Networking and Recruitment

Indeed Battles the Hot Resume Injection | Artisan vs. LinkedIn

Shredded: LinkedIn, Indeed, Artisan AI, Meta, Oyster, Textio, OpenAI & More

AI didn’t kill creativity — it buried it under a mountain of soulless slop.

The boys are back with Jim Kukral, recovering politician, cancer survivor, proud Clevelander, and Admiral of the Cleveland Floaters — to torch the algorithmic apocalypse. From Coca-Cola’s AI holiday ads to the coming “Chipotle Effect” (when robots make your burrito so perfect it finally creeps you out), Jim says humanity’s last unfair advantage is… being human.

So he quit his job and started throwing wild, screen-free boat parties on Lake Erie to prove it.

Meanwhile, Chad asks the uncomfortable question:Are we really ready to fight back — or are we already too comfy with our AI girlfriends and digital cages?

Laughter, existential dread, sweaty dance floors, and zero filters.This one hits different.

Human Renaissance with Jim Kukral

It's our prediction episode. What else could you possibly need to know to push PLAY? 

We recap 2025 - what we and our friends got right and wrong - and get our crystal ball out for 2026. This year, friends of the show, Jason Putnam, Quincy Valencia, Emi Beredugu and J.T. O'Donnell join the boys - including Lieven - in guessing what's in store for the world of work in the year to come.

The usual suspects, like ZipRecruiter, Indeed, iCIMS and others are highlighted, as well as big trends like automation, A.I. and more are discussed. So what are you waiting for? Get a jump on '26 and hit the ground running.

2026 Predictions Show

Let's blow shit up.... AGAIN! 
Cindy Gallop doesn't waste any time throwing haymakers in this final episode.
(Click here for Episode 1) 
Who is Cindy Gallop? Wait, have you been in a cave for a decade? Cindy Gallop, founder and former chair of the US branch of advertising firm Bartle Bogle Hegarty, and founder of the IfWeRanTheWorld and MakeLoveNotPorn companies is a brand or business icon. Cindy boils down complex topics in an elegant way right before slapping the listener with the honesty they need and deserve. 
Enjoy this Symphony Talent powered The Chad and Cheese interview where Cindy talks hiring individuals with disabilities, answers the question "Should white dudes just STFU?" and deploys advice to Daddy Cheese.

Cindy Blows S#!t Up pt.2

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