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Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin), these two won’t just tell you what’s happening—they’ll tell you why you’re probably doing it wrong. Buckle up, buttercup.

The Chad & Cheese Podcast

How Ace Hardware Scaled to 100 Years with AI

Can a century-old brand out-recruit Amazon? In this episode, Stef Nikitas and Kaleigh Burns from Ace Hardware join Chad and Cheese to discuss "Project Hurricane"—the total overhaul of their hiring process. They share how they transformed a $500k "flyers and softball" budget into a $4 million automated recruiting machine. 

Key Highlights:

 
Who is this... Grace?

 
The "Toy" Test:

 
Differentiate or Die

 
The 2-Minute App

Stop "posting and praying" and start listening to how one of America’s most iconic brands is winning the talent war through high-tech helpfulness.

How did the Ace team manage the "culture shock" of introducing AI to a workforce with such long-standing tenure?

Ace Hardware: Differentiate or Die

Grab your favorite beverage for a special, highly opinionated "just us girls" episode of the podcast, featuring Joel Cheesman and Maureen “Moe” Clough taking the mic without the rest of the usual crew. 

This week, the duo delivers a light-hearted yet deeply substantive look into the massive worker backlash against artificial intelligence and the brutal realities of today's hiring market. The hosts kick things off with quick hits covering a disastrous, heavily booed commencement speech at the University of Central Florida and a surprising take on the narrative depth of The Devil Wears Prada 2.

From there, the conversation tackles major industry shifts as massive job platforms like Upwork and ZipRecruiter face severe financial softening, sparking a debate on whether automation is permanently consuming traditional contractor roles. The gloves come off as they dissect a bold claim from Andreessen Horowitz labeling legacy HR software giants like Workday a "cartel," while analyzing how defensive tech acquisitions—such as Ashby buying Talent Llama—signal a broader software-as-a-service apocalypse.

Moe offers her expertise on age discrimination, discussing a lawsuit against Bloomberg Industry Group. The discussion moves to the backlash against automated hiring tools and LinkedIn’s new paid consultation feature. Finally, there is a disagreement over Google's new Gemini-powered smart glasses.

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction to the Podcast and Hosts

01:35 - Current Events and AI's Impact

05:30 - AI and the Youth Perspective

10:01 - Data Centers and Community Impact16:31Industry News: Upwork, ZipRecruiter, and Workday

19:59 - The Future of Work and AI's Role

22:00 - The SaaS Cartel and Its Challenges

25:02 - Age Discrimination in the Workplace

34:56 - AI's Role in Hiring and Recruitment

42:21 - The Rapid Evolution of AI in Hiring

45:04 - LinkedIn's New Monetization Features

52:51 - The Controversy of Smart Glasses

01:03:01 - The Inevitable Rise of Smart Technology

Hiring, We Have a Problem: AI

The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

Shredded: ZipRecruiter, Hirevoice, General Motors, LinkedIn, Deel, Sastrify, Upwork, & More

The "Lean, Mean, Hiring Machine": 6 Recruiters vs. 2,400 Locations

How do you hire for Applebee’s, Taco Bell, Arby’s, and Planet Fitness without losing your mind? If you’re Mark Gibson at Flynn Group, you don’t—you let a robot named Frankie do it.

In this episode of The Chad and Cheese Podcast, we hang out with the man managing the world’s largest franchise empire with a recruiting team so small they could all fit in one booth at Applebee's. Mark breaks down how they ditched boring forms for text-based AI, turning their six recruiters into "high-level media buyers" instead of resume-shuffling zombies.

What’s inside:

 
The "Midnight Million": What happens when you flip the switch on a new system and wake up to a literal mountain of applicants.

 
Frankie Goes to Hollywood (and Pizza Hut): How an AI assistant handles the "boring stuff" so humans can actually be human.

 
TikTok vs. The Churn: Using Gen Z influencers to drive talent and AI surveys to make sure they don't "ghost" after day three.

 
Judgment Day: Mark addresses the "Terminator" fears of automation. Spoiler alert: the robots aren't making the pizzas... yet.

From "black card" memberships for fries to surviving the HR tech "Judgment Day," this is a deep dive into how to scale a global empire without the overhead. Grab a snack and listen in—Frankie is watching.

If you could automate the single most annoying part of your job today, what would it be?

2,400 Locations, Only 1 AI

Hold onto your hats for another candid episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, where the industry’s most opinionated trio—Chad Sowash, Joel Cheesman, and JT O’Donnell—break down the latest HR tech shakeups. 

Between JT’s "29th" birthday celebrations and Chad "hydrating" with a Guinness in Portugal, the group dives deep into the iCIMS leadership change. Is a CFO-turned-CEO a sign of a bold new chapter or a flashing "For Sale" sign? 

The hosts don’t hold back on what this means for employees and customers alike.The acquisition trail is just as heated, as the team debates Phenom snapping up Plum.io and questions whether more "psychobabble" assessments actually solve hiring problems. 

On the flip side, there’s plenty of buzz around Greenhouse’s bet on Ezra AI Labs and the massive revenue potential behind LinkedIn’s new Agentic AI hiring tools. 

JT shares her exclusive early-access results, while the guys debate whether it’s a recruiter’s dream or just a glorified search bar.

From a look at LinkedIn’s Thought Leader Ads to a fiery discussion on living wages and a shout-out to King Charles, this episode is packed with industry realism and sharp wit. 

It all culminates in a high-stakes round of "Who’d You Rather?" where the team chooses between the AI talent agents at Dex and the personalized coaching of Blooma. 

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction and Celebrations

02:56 - World Cup Ticket Prices and Attendance Concerns

05:57 - The Cost of Experiences and Living Wages

08:55 - Innovative Advertising on LinkedIn

12:00 - Political Commentary and Economic Insights

14:57 - Upcoming Events and Travel Plans

17:10 - Chicago Delicacies and Nostalgia

18:25 - Leadership Changes at iCims

19:15 - The Impact of New Leadership

22:19 - The Future of iCims

26:26 - Acquisitions in the Talent Assessment Space

30:08 - Behavioral Testing: A Critical Perspective

34:15 - Greenhouse's Strategic Acquisition of Ezra AI Labs

39:14 - The Value of Timing in Business Decisions

42:13 - LinkedIn's New AI Hiring Tools

50:10 - The Evolution of Recruitment Skills

54:11 - Innovative Job Seeking Strategies

01:00:24 - Comparing New Startups: Dex vs. Blooma

iCIMS Shuffles, Phenom Splurges, & Greenhouse Gets Fashionable

Shredded: Blomma, Dex, Checkr, HireClix, LinkedIn, Greenhouse, Indeed, & More

In this session, Jeff Taylor, the legendary founder of MonsterBoard and Monster.com, joins Chad to discuss his re-entry into the talent space after a 20-year hiatus. Taylor reflects on the industry’s "Jurassic period" and outlines his plan to disrupt the market once more with his new venture, Boomband. 

Episode Highlights

 
The LinkedIn "What If": Jeff details the 2003 deal to buy LinkedIn for $304 million that was killed by his board because the company was "too profitable". 

 
Super Bowl Secrets: A look back at how a "failed" ironic ad led to a 700% traffic spike for Monster. 

 
The AI Wave: Why Jeff believes the current AI explosion rhymes with the 1997 dot-com bubble and his predictions for the next two years.

 
Mapping the Market: An introduction to Boomband’s mission to map 175 million U.S. workers and eliminate the "hostage data model" of stagnant resumes. 

 
Disruption Philosophy: Why Jeff believes you have to "break your own shit" in the middle of the night before someone else does it for you. 

Sit back, relax, and enjoy.

Talent Disruption Through the Ages with Jeff Taylor

Personio: Going Big or Staying Home?

After a grueling multi-year restructuring and retreating from the US market, Personio has finally reported its first profitable quarter in Q1 2026. However, the hosts argue the company chose to "stay home" rather than "go big" by releasing a "slop". announcement that lacked actual revenue figures and buried the lead under a "thirsty" acquisition of Aurio, an AI agent startup.

The AI Layoff : Big tech giants like Meta and Amazon are slashing thousands of jobs to fund a massive $130 billion race into AI, essentially forcing employees to train the algorithms that may eventually replace them.

 

 
UK vs. US Quality of Life: The team debates data suggesting the UK outperforms the US in healthcare, paid maternity leave, and life expectancy, though it still trails behind Belgium in several social metrics.

 
Ethical Warfare at Palantir: Discussion centers on Alex Karp’s "techno-fascism" and the plight of engineers stuck between their moral beliefs and an "evil empire" involved in controversial government contracts.

 
Nomad Health’s Strategic Pivot: Nomad Health is transitioning from a staffing agency to a software platform, aiming to become the "operating system" for the healthcare hiring industry to capture higher margins with lower headcount.

 
LinkedIn’s Leadership Shakeup: Dan Shapiro replaces Ryan Roslansky as CEO, inheriting a mandate to reinvent the platform as AI shifts the fundamental landscape of professional networking.

Personio Stays Home

Shredded: Meta, Nomad Health, Bullhorn, Robert Half, LinkedIn, Personio, Wenite, & More

In this high-stakes episode of HR’s Most Dangerous Podcast, Joel and Chad swap their usual banter for a masterclass in human psychology with Jim Lawler, a former CIA case officer who spent 25 years convincing people to commit treason for the United States. 

Lawler pulls back the curtain on the "addictive" world of espionage, describing his career across posh European postings as a relentless pursuit of the "adrenaline junkie" high that comes from subverting foreign governments. 

From his early days nearly skipping the agency for a "miserable" family business to the pinnacle of his career dismantling nuclear networks, Lawler shares the gritty reality of being a "professional manipulator" within the lanes of U.S. law.

The conversation takes a fascinating turn as Lawler translates his CIA tradecraft into actionable wisdom for HR and recruiters. He breaks down the legendary MICE framework—Money, Ideology, Coercion, and Ego—explaining why he never recruited a "happy person" and why ego is often the most powerful leverage point for turning an asset. 

Whether it’s his ten qualities of a top recruiter—like "mastery of the metaphysics" and finding the "cracks" in a candidate’s psychological armor—or his surreal story of sitting on $1 billion in gold in a Swiss vault, this episode is a deep dive into the art of building trust in the most untrustworthy environments.

Ace Hardware: Differentiate or Die

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