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The Breakdown dives into the deepest topics in crypto, blockchain, and the macro forces shaping markets and power structures. Each episode breaks down complex ideas into clear, grounded analysis — separating signal from noise across crypto, finance, and geopolitics.

Hosted by David Canellis, The Breakdown features explainers, interviews, and conversations with the people building, regulating, and challenging the financial system.

A Blockworks podcast.

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The Breakdown

x402 just got a lot bigger. The Linux Foundation is now backing it — and maybe Amazon, Google, Stripe, Mastercard, and American Express along with them.

In this episode, David sits down with Jordan Liu, co-founder of AIsa — one of earliest builders in the x402 ecosystem, with over 20 million microtransactions already processed.

TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Introduction

(01:42) What AISA Builds

(02:55) X40 Goes Linux

(07:30) Nexo Ad

(08:07) Adoption and Micropayments

(19:58) Nexo Ad and Blockworks IR Promo

(21:38) Adoption and Micropayments (Con’t)

(25:06) Protocols Roadblocks Future

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DISCLAIMER

As always, remember this podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely their opinions, not financial advice.

The Three Layers of AI Agent Commerce with Jordan Liu | The Breakdown

AI agents are coming online fast — and the payment rails for that world are being built right now.

David breaks down the race between Coinbase’s x402 and Stripe’s Machine Payments Protocol, the rise of agentic commerce, and why crypto may have a natural edge, before sitting down with Jordan Liu of AIsa.

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(01:30) Tool Time

(03:45) AI-doption

(05:48) Nexo Ad

(06:30) When in Doubt, Incentivize

(07:36) Interview with Jordan Liu

(12:24) Nexo Ad and Blockworks IR Promo

(14:09) Interview with Jordan Liu (Con’t)

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DISCLAIMER

As always, remember this podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely their opinions, not financial advice.

Are AI Agents Actually Using Crypto? | The Breakdown

While The Breakdown is between seasons, we’re bringing some of our favorite conversations from across Blockworks onto the feed.

In this episode of Forward Guidance, Felix Jauvin sits down with Fed Governor Stephen Miran at DAS to discuss why he believes inflation fears are overstated, why the Fed may still be too restrictive, and how AI, deregulation, and stablecoins could all shape the future of monetary policy.

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TIMECODES

(00:00) Introduction

(02:36) Why Miran Dissented

(05:10) Nexo Ad

(05:44) Looking Through Oil Shocks

(07:32) AI And Deregulation Disinflate

(11:04) The Case For Neutral

(13:26) What Sets Neutral Rates

(17:03) Nexo Ad and Blockworks IR Promo

(18:47) Where “Running It Hot” Narrative Fails

(26:01) Skinny Master Accounts

(28:00) Stablecoins And Dollar Demand

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DISCLAIMER

Nothing said on Forward Guidance or The Breakdown is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only. Any views expressed are opinions, not financial advice. Hosts and guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

Fed Governor Miran on Why Inflation Fears Are Overstated | Forward Guidance

While The Breakdown is between seasons, we’re sharing a panel from Digital Assets Summit featuring the team behind Inflection Point. The conversation explores how investors should think about crypto valuations, what gives L1s value, and why there’s still no shared framework for pricing blockchain networks.

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Timestamps:

(00:00) Introduction

(04:46) Crypto Valuation Models Are Broken

(10:01) Nexo Ad

(10:42) Revenue Isn’t the Answer

(16:23) One Asset Class or Many?

(18:43) Nexo Ad and Blockworks IR Promo

(20:23) Network Effects Need Revenue

(26:03) Blockspace Isn’t A Commodity

(31:20) Institutions Need Intellectual Permission

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Disclaimer: Nothing said on The Breakdown is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Host and guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

The Crypto-TradFi Convergence | Inflection Point

While The Breakdown is between seasons, we’re sharing a panel from Digital Asset Summit hosted by David. The discussion explores how institutions think about on-chain privacy, the tradeoffs involved, and what it takes to bring financial systems onto blockchain infrastructure.

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Timestamps:(00:00) Introduction

(00:45) Meet the Privacy Builders

(04:17) What Institutions Want

(08:40) Nexo Ad

(09:17) What Institutions Want (Con’t)

(23:00) Nexo Ad

(23:52) Composability and Compliance

(35:39) Retail vs Institutions Wrap

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Disclaimer: Nothing said on The Breakdown is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Host and guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

Privacy & Institutional Crypto's [Redacted] Future | The Breakdown

In this special episode, we introduce Blockworks’ new investor relations platform for onchain businesses.

As institutional capital continues to enter crypto markets, expectations around transparency, standardization, and professionalism are rising. But instead of replicating legacy systems, Blockworks IR takes a different approach, leveraging real-time, onchain data to create a more transparent, data-driven, and low-friction investor relations model.

The platform combines curated analytics, branded investor portals, and white-glove advisory support into a single solution, helping teams tell a clearer, more credible story while giving investors a more efficient way to evaluate opportunities.

Launched at the Digital Asset Summit in New York, Blockworks IR aims to fill a critical gap in the industry. Listen to learn more about the vision behind the product and what it means for the future of investor relations in crypto.

Investor Relations in the Onchain Era

While The Breakdown is between seasons, we’re sharing the full version of a past conversation with Nick Almond. The discussion explores how to think about crypto networks, why common metrics can be misleading, and what actually matters when evaluating activity and value.

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Timestamps:

(00:00) Introduction

(03:07) Ethereum vs Solana Endgames

(06:18) Nexo Ad

(06:54) Valuation Paradigms and Realism

(14:56) Nexo Ad

(15:47) Decentralization vs Fintech Future

(24:44) Measuring Decentralization

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Disclaimer: Nothing said on The Breakdown is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Host and guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

Are We Measuring Crypto All Wrong? | Nick Almond

While The Breakdown is between seasons, we’re sharing a recent episode of Forward Guidance.

Felix is joined by Bob Elliott to break down how oil shocks impact inflation, growth, and central bank policy—and why markets may be underestimating the risks.

As always, remember this podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely their opinions, not financial advice.

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Timestamps:

(00:00) Introduction

(02:57) Oil Shock Challenges & Today vs 2022

(10:38) Nexo Ad

(11:13) Oil Shock Challenges & Today vs 2022 (Con’t)

(16:12) The Energy Shock Impact on Households

(20:14) How Will Central Banks & Bonds React?

(30:40) Nexo Ad

(31:37) Oil Shock Sequence of Events

(33:26) Iran War’s Asymmetric Regional Impact

(39:57) What Happens to Gold?

(43:02) Understanding a Wartime Economy

(47:34) Final Thoughts

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Disclaimer: Nothing said on The Breakdown is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Host and guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

The Macro Chain Reaction of Oil Shocks | Forward Guidance

As a new season of The Breakdown approaches, David takes a moment to introduce himself and explain how he thinks about Bitcoin, crypto culture, and the industry’s next phase.

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Timestamps:

(00:00) Introduction

(01:04) My Crypto Origin Story

(04:07) From Trading to Crypto Media

(08:47) What Crypto Means Now

(13:32) AI, Autonomy, and What’s Next

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Disclaimer: Nothing said on The Breakdown is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Host and guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

Why I’m Hosting The Breakdown | David Canellis | The Breakdown

Marc Arjoon joins the show to discuss how institutional flows, ETF market structure, and the changing economics of Bitcoin mining are reshaping the market.

As always, remember this podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely their opinions, not financial advice.

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Timestamps:

(00:00) Introduction

(01:34) Do Halvings Still Matter

(03:45) Miner Supply And Profitability

(08:06) Will AI Shift Move BTC

(10:15) Nexo Ad and DAS Promo

(11:28) ETFs Treasury And Custody Risk

(20:06) Nexo Ad

(21:03) Blockchain Not Bitcoin Debate

(24:24) Governance And Quantum Risk

(31:12) Bitcoin As Separate Asset

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Disclaimer: Nothing said on The Breakdown is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Host and guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

The Real Forces Moving Bitcoin Now | Marc Arjoon

Just when it seemed like the “Economic Empowerment” narrative coming out of El Salvador was poised to overtake the inflation/digital gold narrative, one of that viewpoint’s strongest advocates was back on CNBC today. Hedge fund legend Paul Tudor Jones discussed why he doesn’t think inflation is transitory, why he recommends 5% in bitcoin and why the outcomes in the market will be based largely on what the Fed does next. 
 
 Also on this episode:
 Elon Musk says Tesla will accept BTC as payment again once renewable mining hits 50%
 Michael Saylor and MicroStrategy sell $500 million in bonds to buy more BTC
 More shockwaves from El Salvador’s landmark bitcoin law
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'Bat-Shit Crazy’ Paul Tudor Jones on the Fed, Inflation and Why He Recommends 5% in Bitcoin

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