The Metal Trade That Could Unlock AGI ft. Jordi Visser

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On the latest episode of The Journey Man, filmed with a live audience at Crypto Gathering 2026 in Miami, Raoul Pal sits down with Jordi Visser, head of AI macro nexus research at 22V, to discuss the commodity supercycle, the advancements in robotics and AI, the abundance vs. scarcity trade, the decline of software companies, and much more. Recorded January 24, 2026.

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Timestamps: 00:00 Abra Sponsor 00:54 Welcome to The Journeyman 02:38 Macro, Crypto & AI Converge 05:06 Silver: The Metal Behind AI 08:00 The $85T AI Buildout 11:05 Resources, Geopolitics & Power 14:20 Europe’s Strategy vs the US 17:16 AI = Deflation Shock 20:19 Why Long-Duration Assets Break 23:02 Scarcity vs Abundance Investing 26:13 Stimulus, Politics & the AI Race 29:04 Why Silver Is Non-Negotiable 32:17 Is Software Actually Investable? 35:44 Agents Replace SaaS 38:53 Why Big Tech Can’t Adapt Fast Enough 42:05 Commodities: Rent or Own? 45:26 Solar, Power & Grid Bottlenecks 48:39 Energy Taxes & AI Economics 50:14 AGI Fears & the Human Question 53:18 Advice for Gen Z 55:22 AI as a Learning Weapon 56:49 NFTs as Cultural Memory 57:38 Final Thoughts & Outro

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