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PBD Podcast

The PBD Podcast is hosted by Patrick Bet-David, where he discusses a wide range of topics, from business to current events, politics, and sports. The show takes place in a VAULT twice a week and is based out of the Valuetainment studio in Fort Lauderdale, with live shows airing every Tuesday and Thursday at 9:00 AM EST and interviews taking place on Monday, Wednesday, or Friday at 9:00 AM EST.

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, Vincent Oshana, and Adam Sosnick cover the arrest of Luigi Mangione for the shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, Jay-Z accused of sexually assaulting a 13-year-old, Bashar al-Assad flees Syria & Daniel Penny is acquitted! 🧥THE NEW VT SWEATSHIRTS & HOODIES: https://bit.ly/4f5fnAM🧢 PURCHASE THE NEW VT HATS: https://bit.ly/3ZFAPrH🎄 VT CHRISTMAS COLLECTION: https://bit.ly/4gk4yff📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": https://bit.ly/41rtEV4📰 VTNEWS.AI: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3OExClZ🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A📱 CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7🎓 VALUETAINMENT UNIVERSITY: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time!SUBSCRIBE TO:‪@VALUETAINMENT‬ ‪@ValuetainmentComedy‬ ‪@theunusualsuspectspodcast‬ ‪@bizdocpodcast‬ ABOUT US:Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

Luigi Mangione Arrested, Jay-Z Accused, Daniel Penny Acquitted, Assad Flees Syria | PBD Podcast | Ep. 518

Patrick Bet-David sits down with John A. Gotti to discuss growing up as the son of the infamous John Gotti, the impact of RICO laws, Roy Cohn’s influence, and life inside the Mafia. Learn how media, loyalty, and legal battles shaped the Gotti legacy and their sworn enemies. 
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ABOUT US:
Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

DISCLAIMER: 
According to available records, John Gotti clarified that the referenced incident involved a razor blade rather than a knife. Additionally, an account involving Gotti Sr. and Walter Johnson suggests that Johnson, aware of potential threats from the Aryan Brotherhood and Mexican Mafia within the cell block, preemptively struck Gotti Sr. in an effort to be removed from the block. Subsequently, Johnson was transferred to the West Coast and, upon release, reportedly suffered a stabbing attributed to members of the Latin Kings as retaliation for the altercation with Gotti Sr.

“Should’ve Had Him Killed” - John Gotti Jr Finally OPENS UP On His Father, Gravano & Gambino Family | PBD Podcast | Ep. 519

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, Vincent Oshana, and Adam Sosnick cover the mysterious drones over New Jersey, Luigi Magione missing for 90-days before the assassination of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, and Alex Jones InfoWars win over The Onion.🎄 VT CHRISTMAS COLLECTION: https://bit.ly/4gk4yff🧥THE NEW VT SWEATSHIRTS & HOODIES: https://bit.ly/4f5fnAM🧢 PURCHASE THE NEW VT HATS: https://bit.ly/3ZFAPrH📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": https://bit.ly/41rtEV4📰 VTNEWS.AI: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3OExClZ🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A📱 CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7🎓 VALUETAINMENT UNIVERSITY: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time!SUBSCRIBE TO:‪@VALUETAINMENT‬ ‪@ValuetainmentComedy‬ ‪@theunusualsuspectspodcast‬ ‪@bizdocpodcast‬ ABOUT US:Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

New Jersey Drones, Luigi Magione's 90-Day Mystery, Alex Jones InfoWars Win | PBD Podcast | Ep. 520

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, Vincent Oshana, and Adam Sosnick cover Donald Trump addressing the mysterious New Jersey drones, ABC paying Trump $15M for a liable lawsuit, new evidence shows FBI informants were involved in the January 6th insurrection, and Canadians call for Justin Trudeau to resign!

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ABC Pays Trump $15M, January 6 Cover Up, Trudeau To Resign, NJ Drone Theories | PBD Podcast | Ep. 521

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Russia vs Ukraine, JFK Assassination, Trump vs Deep State w/ Oliver & Sean Stone | PBD Podcast | Ep. 522

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, Vincent Oshana, and Adam Sosnick cover the media's attempt to drive a wedge between Elon Musk and Donald Trump, Luigi Mangione getting indicted for the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, Fani Willis getting disqualified from the Trump election interference case, and John Ferguson joins the show to talk about the mysterious New Jersey drones. Follow John Ferguson on X: https://bit.ly/41BB5t8Support John Ferguson's company, Saxon Unmanned: https://bit.ly/3ZNbPO9

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Fani Willis DISQUALIFIED, President Elon Musk, Luigi Mangione Indicted | PBD Podcast | Ep. 523

Patrick Bet-David sits down with Oleksii Arestovych for an exclusive interview about the Ukraine war, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, and the powerful outside forces shaping the conflict. 

In this riveting conversation, Arestovych unveils secrets and reveals truths never before shared with an English-speaking audience.
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"I Trust Putin More Than Zelenskyy" - Exiled Zelenskyy Top Insider Oleksii Arestovych TELLS ALL | PBD Podcast | Ep. 524

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, Vincent Oshana, and Adam Sosnick cover the killing of a woman who was set on fire on a NYC subway car, Trump wants the U.S. to own the Panama Canal & Greenland, and California Governor Gavin Newsom gets confronted over $20B missing for the homeless. ----💳 VT NEW YEARS SPECIAL: https://bit.ly/4iVitKH🧥VT SWEATSHIRTS & HOODIES: https://bit.ly/4f5fnAM🧢 PURCHASE THE NEW VT HATS: https://bit.ly/3ZFAPrH📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": https://bit.ly/41rtEV4📰 VTNEWS.AI: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3OExClZ🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A📱 CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7🎓 VALUETAINMENT UNIVERSITY: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time!SUBSCRIBE TO:@VALUETAINMENT @ValuetainmentComedy @theunusualsuspectspodcast @bizdocpodcast ABOUT US:Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

Trump Wants The Panama Canal & Greenland, NYC Subway Fire, Newsom Confronted | PBD Podcast | Ep. 525

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, Vincent Oshana, and Adam Sosnick discuss the debate over H1-B visas started by Vivek Ramaswamy & Elon Musk, Justin Trudeau's top ministers meeting with Trump over the Canada - U.S. union, Jimmy Kimmel and Stephen Colbert's ratings plummet because of their Trump bashing, and PBD's New Years message for 2025!💳 VT NEW YEARS SALE: https://bit.ly/4iVitKH🧥THE NEW VT SWEATSHIRTS & HOODIES: https://bit.ly/4f5fnAM🧢 PURCHASE THE NEW VT HATS: https://bit.ly/3ZFAPrH📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": https://bit.ly/41rtEV4📰 VTNEWS.AI: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3OExClZ🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A📱 CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7🎓 VALUETAINMENT UNIVERSITY: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time!SUBSCRIBE TO:‪@VALUETAINMENT‬ ‪@ValuetainmentComedy‬ ‪@theunusualsuspectspodcast‬ ‪@bizdocpodcast‬ ABOUT US:Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

Elon & Vivek H1-B Visa Debate, Trudeau's Ministers Meet Trump, Late Night Ratings Drop | PBD Podcast | Ep. 526

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, Vincent Oshana, and Adam Sosnick discuss the New Orleans Bourbon Street attack, the Cybertruck explosion outside of Trump's Las Vegas hotel, and Whitney Cummings roasting CNN during New Years Eve countdown with Anderson Cooper.🧢 PURCHASE THE NEW ANGRY PATRIOT HATS: https://bit.ly/4iWfW31💳 VT NEW YEARS SALE: https://bit.ly/4iVitKH🧥THE NEW VT SWEATSHIRTS & HOODIES: https://bit.ly/4f5fnAM🧢 PURCHASE THE NEW VT HATS: https://bit.ly/3ZFAPrH📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": https://bit.ly/41rtEV4📰 VTNEWS.AI: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3OExClZ🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A📱 CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7🎓 VALUETAINMENT UNIVERSITY: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time!ABOUT US:Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

New Orleans Bourbon Street Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, Whitney Cummings ROASTS CNN | PBD Podcast | Ep. 527

In this riot of an episode, Patrick Bet-David is joined by comedian Kevin Farley to discuss his brorhter Chris Farley's legacy, Addiction, Jada Pinkett Smith, Disney and much more...

TOPICS

 • What it was like to grow up with Chris Farley

 • The DNA of a comedian

 • Chris Farley's legacy

 • Kevin Farley recalls hanging out with Adam Sandler

 • Addiction

 • Discussing Will Smith/Chris Rock

 • Bill Maher on Jada Pinkett Smith

 • Why Capitalism always wins

 • Kevin Farley on politics

 • Disney(how about that southwest flight) Southwest Airlines passenger (whats wrong with mcgarity)

Kevin Farley is an entertainer to the core. Over the past 3 decades, he has made audiences laugh, cry, smile, and think as a stand-up comedian, actor, filmmaker, and podcaster.

Check out Kevin's podcast, Offsides: https://bit.ly/3ual3Fq

See Kevin on tour: https://bit.ly/37lVcl3

Follow Kevin on Instagram: https://bit.ly/3J566ZD

Follow Kevin Farley on Twitter: https://bit.ly/36XrhQ3

To reach the Valuetainment team you can email: booking@valuetainment.com

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Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal bestseller Your Next Five Moves (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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