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Perfect Strangers

Jay Shetty hosts some of culture’s most influential voices in wellness and personal growth, helping you feel healthier, happier and more healed.

On Purpose with Jay Shetty

Record producer, songwriter, and music executive Benny Blanco joins Jay for an unfiltered, hilarious, and deeply vulnerable conversation about redefining success, overcoming crippling phobias, and why embracing failure is the ultimate secret to unlocking your true creative potential.

Benny pulls back the curtain on his chart-topping music career, sharing behind-the-scenes stories with artists like Ed Sheeran, Bruno Mars, and Britney Spears, while diving into his candid new book on mastering life’s setbacks. Together they explore how to overcome the fear of embarrassment, build emotional resilience, protect your mental health while chasing big dreams, and maintain a grounded, loving relationship under the spotlight.

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Jay Shetty

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What We Discuss:

00:00 Intro

01:58 Looking Back at the Songs That Started It All

03:07 Repeat “I Am a Failure”

04:18 Overcoming Embarrassment and Taking Big Swings

06:28 Early Lessons in Failure

08:20 Choosing Non-Traditional Creative Paths

09:51 Mom’s Dreams Vs Choosing Your Own Path

11:11 Turning Doubt Into Motivation 

12:05 Ignoring The Haters and Finding Your Spark

13:39 Turning Small Steps Into Big Momentum

14:59 The Success Stool: Balancing Life’s 3 Pillars

15:37 The Power of Small Daily Habits

17:12 Relationships Need Watering Too

18:46 Facing Failure, Fear and a Phobia of Flying

21:45 Taking Micro-Steps to Conquer Deep Fears

23:04 One Task at a Time

24:04 Bruno Mars’ Journey 

27:13 Authenticity vs. Imitation in Creative Expression

28:35 Late-Night Songwriting with Ed Sheeran

33:41 Trusting That It Will Work Out

34:19 Finding Your Unique Sound Beyond Influences

36:23 Unfiltered Vulnerability & Asking for Help

39:19 Celebrating Wins vs. Constant Over-Achieving

40:06 Standing Your Ground: Britney Spears to Julia Michaels

43:57 Grammy Perspective and Redefining Success

48:53 When a Failure Turns Into Your Biggest Win (“Diamonds”)

50:58 Mental Health Breakdown Amid Peak Success

53:06 Priority Management, Boundaries, and Emotional Check-ins

55:32 The Power of Saying “No” to Protect Your Peace

57:22 Why Benny Wrote His New Book

58:53 Benny Blanco on Final Five

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⁠BENNY BLANCO: The Secret to Failing Your Way to Success

Jay explores how living in a world of likes, ratings, and constant feedback can make us lose touch with our own judgment. He shares five shifts for relying less on outside approval and building more trust in yourself: from learning to read yourself instead of the room and separating belonging from approval, to questioning what you really want and building self-trust through the small promises you keep to yourself.

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Jay Shetty

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What We Discuss:

0:00 Introduction

00:24 What’s Really Behind the Need for Validation

03:20 Five Shifts From External to Internal Validation 

03:38 Reading The Room Vs. Reading Yourself

06:09 Evolution, Tribe Instincts, And Borrowed Opinions

08:18 Why is Rejection So Painful?

12:16 Escaping The Box 

15:32 Auditing Your Desires And Expectations

18:06 Building Self-Trust Vs. Chasing Confidence

25:15 Stop Watching Your Life From the Outside
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Stop Waiting For External Validation

Jay unpacks why it can be so hard to let go of the life you thought you’d have by now. He shares five ideas for letting go of where you thought you’d be and making peace with where you are, from breaking free of comparison and “should” statements to understanding why we grieve futures that never happened. Plus, a simple exercise to help you look at your life differently and recognize the opportunities that came from things not going according to plan.

With Love and Gratitude,

Jay Shetty

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What We Discuss:

00:00 Introduction

0:25 Letting Go Of Expectations

00:46 The Mental Blueprint

01:43 The Invisible Competitor

02:32 Five Ideas To Feel at Peace With Your Life

04:20 Social Comparison Theory

08:17 You’re Not “Behind” 

08:46 Rehearsing For The Future You Want 

11:19 The Power of Resilience

12:35 Changing Priorities Of The Future Self

13:43 Grieving The Future That Never Arrived

16:00 Rewriting Your Narrative

18:08 The “Social Clock” And Inherited Timelines

19:49 Letting Go of the Timeline You Expected

20:50 The Personal Scorecard Vs. Society’s Clock

22:20 Releasing the Need to Have It All Figured Out

23:00 Focus On Possibility: The Two-Column Exercise

26:23 Recalibrating Like A GPS

27:27 Starting Fresh And The Gift Of Rewriting
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How To Let Go of the Timeline for Your Life

Jay welcomes neuroscientist Andrew Huberman back for his third appearance to dive into his new book, Protocols: An Operating Manual for the Human Body. Andrew breaks down what’s really happening in your body from the moment you wake up, from morning cortisol and better sleep to the science behind that afternoon energy crash. Then the conversation goes beyond physical health, exploring prayer, surrender, and how to better manage your energy.

With Love and Gratitude,

Jay Shetty

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What We Discuss:

00:00 Introduction

01:07 The Core Philosophy: Finding Ease, Peace, and Alignment

05:21 Optimal Morning Habits: The First Hour Of The Day

08:13 The Biology Of The Cortisol Awakening Response

13:31 Restoring Circadian Balance

15:19 Navigating The “Afternoon Crash”

21:15 Simplifying Fitness: Accessible Movement

24:13 The Science of Sleep and the Power of Prayer

26:35 Leaning Into Faith: Turning Willpower Over To God

28:30 The Scientific Mystery Of Surrender

32:54 Moving Beyond Binaries: Science And Faith

40:11 Jay’s Reflections On Grace And Compassion

44:46 James Hollis’s Four Rules For A Good Life

50:28 The Science Behind Recurring Thought Patterns

55:05 The Eastern Metaphor Of The Chariot

01:01:00 Breaking Out of Your Default Morning Mindset

01:03:30 The Pillars of Wellness And Impulse Control

01:06:00 The Ethical Burden of Animal Research

01:09:37 Prefrontal Strategy: Humans vs. Dogs and Cats

01:10:47 Brain-Machine Interfaces for Paralyzed Patients

01:11:54 The Future of Non-Invasive Brain Stimulation

01:15:00 Willpower, Stress, And Directing Energy

01:16:37 The 27 Club Vs. Blue Zone Longevity

01:17:25 The Drive to Stand Out and Succeed

01:19:18 Nolan Williams And High-Output Healers

01:20:44 Rick Rubin’s Riddles On Balancing Energy

01:24:34 The Flow Of Energy Exchange

01:27:24 Hard-Earned Positivity

01:29:27 The Injured Bird

01:31:38 Achieving Scientific Consensus Over Time

01:34:09 Andrew Huberman On Final Five 

Episode Resources: 

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Andrew Huberman: The Simple Habits That Will Transform Your Health

Jay marks his birthday by reflecting on five lessons an unpredictable year taught him. From making career choices based on the skills you want to build, to trusting yourself through discomfort and protecting the friendships that remind you who you are beyond your work, Jay shares the principles that kept him grounded through change. He closes with a reminder that we often underestimate just how much we’re still capable of growing and becoming.

With Love and Gratitude,

Jay Shetty

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What We Discuss:

00:00 Intro

00:24 Reflecting on His Biggest Year Yet

01:26 The Power of a Birthday Reset

03:09 Lesson 1: The Career Skills Worth Building Daily

10:28 Lesson 2: Experience Over Overthinking

15:54 Lesson 3: Learning to Trust Your Own Decisions

21:42 Lesson 4: You Can’t Give Everything 100%

27:45 Lesson 5: Prioritizing Authenticity in Friendships

32:05 Reframing Wisdom & Getting Older

32:37 The “End of History” Illusion

34:54 An Invitation for Self-Reflection
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What the Biggest Year of My Life Taught Me

Jay answers four listener calls about what to do when the path forward feels uncertain. From career rejection and financial risks to knowing when openness becomes self-abandonment and how to keep going after repeated disappointment, Jay explores how to navigate the moments when what you want isn’t working out the way you hoped. Drawing on Seneca, Pema Chödrön, and Taoist philosophy, he shares how shifting from an outcome mindset to a growth mindset can help you see rejection differently, keep your momentum, and stay open to the right opportunity.

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Jay Shetty

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What We Discuss:

00:00 Intro

00:30 Navigating Career Rejections

01:31 The Smarter Way To Get Your Foot In The Door

06:32 Jay’s Personal Story With Rejection 

08:56 Is The Dream Worth The Financial Risk?

10:24 Before You Take The Leap, Ask Yourself This

14:22 When Does Empathy Become Self-Abandonment?

15:40 Setting Boundaries Without Closing Your Heart

20:44 How To Stop Letting Rejection Kill Your Excitement

21:26 Shift From An Outcome Mindset To A Growth Mindset
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Ask Jay: The Right Opportunity Might Not Be What You Expect

Jay sits down with Eileen Gu, the most decorated freestyle skier in Olympic history, to go behind the resume and into the mindset that built it all. Eileen opens up about the grandmother and mother who shaped her, why direction matters more than raw effort, her “evidence over affirmation” approach to fearless competition, and the devastating personal loss she carried in the very same hour as her Olympic gold medal win.

With Love and Gratitude,

Jay Shetty

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What We Discuss:

00:00 Introduction

01:25 Who Are You Beyond Your Achievements?

03:12 The Childhood Curiosity That Shaped Everything

05:52 What Her Childhood Journals Reveal Now

09:20 Rethinking Masculinity, Femininity & Fashion

11:30 The Weekend Trips That Built an Olympian

14:37 The Two Women Who Shaped Who She Became

17:38 Even Olympians Can Feel “Behind” In Their 20s

19:37 Hard Work Vs. Direction And Momentum

22:38 Finding Direction Amid Unlimited Opportunities

26:29 Learning As A Superpower 

31:22 Train Like You’ve Never Won

36:06 Seperating Your Identity From Your Craft

41:34 Evidence Over Affirmation

43:34 The Physics And 4D Visualization of Freeskiing

49:42 Inside the Milan Olympics

55:13 Highest Highs And Lowest Lows

01:00:02 Eileen Gu On Final Five

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EILEEN GU: “The Ground Was Cracking Beneath Me.”

Jay explores why our relationship with money is about so much more than what’s in our bank account. He breaks down five lessons, from how childhood shapes the way we spend and save, to what we’re really buying when we make a purchase, what money can and can’t solve, why simple systems work better than willpower, and how to make money work for you instead of letting it run your life.

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Jay Shetty

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What We Discuss:

00:00 Intro

00:30 Are You Financially Literate?

04:51 Your First Money Lessons Start in Childhood

10:08 What You’re Actually Buying When You Make a Purchase 

15:26 Money Can’t Buy Happiness, But It Can Buy Options

17:17 How Much Is Actually Enough?

21:21 Systems Over Willpower

26:50 Money Is Not The Goal
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The Psychology of Financial Freedom

Jay answers four listener calls about the messy, unresolved side of forgiveness, from custody guilt and bias in parenting, to forgiving yourself after the sudden loss of a parent, uncovering a spouse’s hidden life after they’re gone, and the heartbreak of a friendship betrayal. Jay shares research-backed tools to release guilt, rebuild trust, and move forward for your own peace, without excusing what happened.

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Jay Shetty

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What We Discuss:

00:00 Introduction

00:24 What Forgiveness Is Really For

00:49 The Guilt Mothers Are Expected To Carry

01:54 Are Mothers And Fathers Held to Different Standards?

07:45 The Guilt That Comes After Losing a Parent

08:40 Forgiving Yourself For What You Couldn’t Control

15:52 When Grief Comes With Betrayal

17:54 The Trap Of “I Should Have Known”

22:05 The 4 Levels Of Trust

25:17 The Pain Of A Friendship Betrayal

26:20 When Healing Doesn’t Feel Like Healing
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Ask Jay: How Do I Forgive?

Jay sits down with Harvard Business School professor Alison Wood Brooks, author of Talk: The Science of Conversation and the Art of Being Ourselves, to explore what makes great conversations actually work and where most of us get it wrong. Together, they unpack how to choose better topics, embrace the messiness of real dialogue, master the three stages of listening, and give compliments that genuinely connect. Alison also reveals why admitting uncertainty builds more trust than having all the answers, and shares practical conversation games you can start using right away.

With Love and Gratitude,

Jay Shetty

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What We Discuss:

00:00 Introduction 

01:51 Shifting Focus from Yourself In Conversation 

05:31 Lowering Your Anxiety with Topic Prep

08:30 Is It Better to Be Interesting or Interested?

09:45 The Butterfly Net Metaphor

13:00 Low-Stakes Practice To Build High-Stakes Confidence

14:00 Debunking Traditional Rules of Persuasion

15:55 Building Conversational Safety Through Validation

17:06 Agenda-Free Relationships vs. Manipulative Networking

20:36 The Power of Follow-Up Questions

24:00 Embracing the Natural Messiness of Dialogue

26:11 Unrealistic Standards Set by Media and Podcasts

27:06 Alison's Top Three Small Talk Techniques

29:22 Balancing Leading vs. Following in Conversation

32:40 Does Your Mind Wander During Conversation?

33:40 The Power of Callbacks 

34:00 The Attention Crisis and Screen Disruption

37:09 Strategies for Staying Present

39:00 Reciprocity and the Good-to-Great Question Shift

41:14 Intimate Openers and Stealth Topic-Switching

46:12 How to Respond to One Word Answers

47:35 Game 1: Spontaneous Depth and Sincerity

51:57 Game 2: Breaking Through Reserve

55:56 Talk Time Game: Battle of the Nice Guys

01:01:03 The Compliment Landmines to Avoid

01:04:00 This Is Damaging Your Potential Connections 

01:09:48 The Best Way to Receive a Compliment

01:12:30 Talk Time Game: Admitting Uncertainty

01:21:30 Feel More Confident During Conversations

01:22:05 Dating Conversations and the First-Date Pause

01:26:20 Reviving a Dying Date Conversation

01:29:54 Deconstructing the "36 Questions to Fall in Love"

01:31:40 Defusing Heated Disagreements

01:32:22 Preparing for Difficult Conversations

01:34:00 When Distance Is Better Than Talking

01:37:45 Alison Wood Brooks on Final Five 

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Website | https://www.talkstudios.com/ 

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Alison Wood Brooks: The Science Behind Great Conversations

You love On Purpose because it inspires your life. Have you tried Jay’s Genius workshops and meditations to access even deeper well-being? Learn more at https://shetty.cc/OnPurposeGenius 
 Dan created a phrase he both loves and hates: performative complexity. His definition of this term is the performance of making our lives seem more complicated for no other reason other than, well, to seem complicated. 
 On this episode of On Purpose with Jay Shetty, Jay Shetty speaks with author and lawyer Daniel Pink about creating a healthy relationship with time, procrastinating productively, and simplifying your life. 
 Want to make time your friend, instead of your enemy? Check out Dan’s most recent book WHEN: THE SCIENTIFIC SECRETS OF PERFECT TIMING. 
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