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Eric Siu and Neil Patel

Neil Patel and Eric Siu bring you daily ACTIONABLE digital marketing lessons that they've learned through years of being in the trenches. Whether you have a new website or you're an established business, you'll learn the latest SEO, content marketing, social media, email marketing, conversion optimization and general online marketing strategies that work today from people that actually practice marketing and operate business. Approaching 100M downloads with 2,500+ episodes, you're sure to find something that will help you grow faster. Also don't forget to subscribe to our Marketing School Youtube channel to get more marketing goodness.

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Marketing School - Digital Marketing and Online Marketing Tips

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Eric shares Sahil Lavingia's chart: June 2026 was the first month Gumroad spent as much on AI tokens as on human payroll. They debate what that means at scale, then dig into Elon's Economist interview: AI timelines, universal income, fear marketing, and why 87% of Chinese respondents are net positive on AI while most Americans are afraid. Eric closes on open-source models catching the frontier and why regulation can't put the genie back.

Key takeaways
◾AI spend matching payroll is coming for more companies; the only question is speed
◾Fear is a marketing choice: how leaders talk about AI shapes adoption
◾Open-source models catching up changes the whole regulatory debate

Chapters
00:00 Gumroad's AI Payroll Shift
01:59 Elon's AI Future Debate
07:48 Free Markets vs Regulation
08:33 Home Base and New Deals
11:11 Organic Growth and Enterprise Sales

𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟

Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer.

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AI Token Spend Just Matched Payroll at This Company (This Is the Future)

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Eric brings marketing lessons from Lake Como: a fourth-generation craftsman selling $1,000-quality shoes for $150, and why a couple of grand a month on a hotel display case beats most ad spend. Then the World Cup: Haaland won the brand game, and Beckham proves popularity is not the same thing as profit. Neil shows ChatGPT at 77 on Google Trends vs Claude at 19, while Anthropic wins on revenue. They close on Junior Bridgman's quiet path from NBA bench to $1.4 billion and IM8's billion from General Catalyst's Customer Value Fund.

Key takeaways
◾The best-known brand is not automatically the most profitable business
◾Compounding beats stardom: interest plus time wins
◾Sometimes the right move is not scaling

Chapters
00:00 Marketing Lessons from a Lake Como Conference
03:10 World Cup Brand Power
08:27 Compute and AI Constraints
13:12 Behind the Scenes at Events
14:43 Beckham and Business Compounding
17:12 Raising a Billion for Growth

𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟

Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer.

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Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial

Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel

The Most Popular Brand Isn't the Most Profitable (Beckham, Claude & a $1B Raise)

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Eric tested GPT Sol 5.6 against Claude Fable 5 on real marketing jobs: websites, thumbnails, clips, recruiting, and growth analysis. Final score: Sol 4, Fable 0 - even though Fable had better ideas and design. They also unpack Anthropic and Blackstone's $1.5B bet that implementation is the next trillion-dollar AI business, model wars, valuations, and why marketing pressure is finally easing.

Key takeaways
◾The new model benchmark is finishing jobs, not sounding smart
◾Implementation, not models, is the next AI gold rush
◾Expectations are normalizing: marketing pressure is easing

Chapters
00:00 Sol 5.6 vs Fable 5 and the model wars
08:24 Chips, bottlenecks, and AI demand
09:41 Valuations, PE, and services
18:19 Marketing pressure is easing

𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟

Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer.

🎙️ Learn More About the Hosts

Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial

Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel

GPT Sol 5.6 vs Claude Fable 5 For Marketing (Which Wins?)

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Eric shows Neil the AI marketing loops Single Grain actually has live: a CRO loop, an AEO/SEO loop that drafts TOFU-MOFU-BOFU content straight to the CMS, and a sponsorship loop that negotiates $25k minimums on its own. Plus why you should stop using LLMs for math and route tokens to cheap deterministic systems, and how compounding loops beat one-off prompts.

Key takeaways
◾Loops that report back and improve beat one-off prompts
◾Route math to deterministic systems, not LLMs
◾A sponsorship loop can handle the back and forth for you

Chapters
00:00 Stop using LLMs for math: token routing
03:50 AI marketing loops you should build today
07:05 Travel, recruiting, and follow-up
11:48 Cold calling and the brand payoff

𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟

Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer.

🎙️ Learn More About the Hosts

Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial

Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel

AI Marketing Loops That You Should Build Today

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Want to recruit great marketers? Find them here: https://marketingschool.io/hire

Neil and Eric answer the question Eric asked a room of 9-10 figure operators: what part of your company would you rebuild from scratch if AI were native from day one? They dig into fully automated recruiting funnels, the dentist model for agencies where seniors diagnose and agents do the repetitive work, and why SEO conferences feel like they are lagging the actual market.

Key takeaways
◾Almost every operator would rebuild recruiting first
◾The new agency model: humans diagnose, agents execute
◾SEO is lagging: AEO and agents are where attention is going

Chapters
00:00 What would you rebuild from scratch with AI?
02:28 AI-powered recruiting and deals
05:32 The new agency model: everyone as a dentist
08:15 MozCon and why SEO is lagging

𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟

Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer.

🎙️ Learn More About the Hosts

Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial

Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel

What Part Of Your Company Would You Rebuild From Scratch With AI?

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Neil and Eric break down what Eric learned hosting a dinner of 9-10 figure AI operators, and why AI is forcing companies to redesign compensation. They get into AI margin expansion showing up in boring workflows, the burnout wave hitting tech, and how to keep pay fair when AI-native A-players produce 5-10x output. A candid episode on incentives, culture, and looking after your team while everything changes.

Key takeaways
◾9-10 figure operators would rebuild recruiting and ops AI-native first
◾AI-native A-players break same-title salary bands
◾Margin wins are hiding in boring workflows, not sexy demos

Chapters
00:00 What a 9-10 figure AI operators dinner revealed
03:07 AI margins and compensation
07:32 Burnout and the tech survey
15:18 AI productivity and fair pay
17:30 Fairness, sacrifice, and culture
21:45 Supporting sick team members

𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟

Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer.

🎙️ Learn More About the Hosts

Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial

Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel

What Eric Learned From Hosting A 9-10 Figure AI Operators Dinner

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Eric and Neil go behind the scenes on raising for SingleBrain: building a clean story for VCs, what the numbers have to say, and how to position a services-plus-software narrative. They cover conference networking that actually compounds, managed revenue agents as a new service line, and why creators are becoming real channel partners that drive B2B pipeline, not just awareness.

Key takeaways
◾VCs buy a clean story before they buy the numbers
◾Managed revenue agents are a new service line
◾Creators are becoming channel partners, not just reach

Chapters
00:00 Raising for SingleBrain
08:49 A clean story for VCs
12:19 Conference networking strategy
13:11 Managed revenue agents
20:32 Creators as channel partners

𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟

Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer.

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 Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial
 Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel

How We're Raising Money for SingleBrain (The Clean Story for VCs)

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Neil and Eric argue the B2B website is turning into a sales rep, a proof engine that has to sell before the sales call. From there the conversation turns to investing and business economics: betting on SpaceX, treasury strategy, debt versus venture, and the mechanics of buying distressed businesses. A candid look at how operators think about risk, leverage, and where durable value gets created.

Key takeaways
◾Your website has to sell before the sales call
◾Debt vs venture changes who controls the outcome
◾Distressed businesses can be the best entry point

Chapters
00:00 Websites are becoming sales reps
02:09 Betting on SpaceX
05:53 Debt versus venture
10:49 Buying distressed businesses

𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟

Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer.

🎙️ Learn More About the Hosts
 Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial
 Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel

Your Website Has to Sell Before the Sales Call

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Neil and Eric dig into AI search visibility: why your brand may be invisible when buyers ask ChatGPT, how organic click behavior is changing, and what still moves revenue. They react to Kai-Fu Lee's prediction that 50% of companies will need new leadership and that 95%+ of AI transformations fail, then break down a survey showing 89% of teams now give AI agents write access, up from 52%, and what that means for security, governance, and permissioning.

Key takeaways
◾Track visibility in answer engines, not just Google
◾95% of AI transformations fail by bolting AI on the edges
◾Agent write-access is exploding, so is the security opportunity

Chapters
00:00 Your brand is invisible in AI search
04:27 AI leadership shift (Kai-Fu Lee)
10:20 Bottom-funnel marketing wins
12:50 AI permissions and security

𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟

Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer.

🎙️ Learn More About the Hosts
 Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial
 Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel

Your Brand Is Invisible in AI Search (Here's the Fix)

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Neil and Eric explain why software itself is becoming the best marketing channel: free tools, calculators, agents, and lightweight products now do the demand-gen work blog posts used to do. They break down how every feature launch becomes a marketable moment, why free products drive outsized buzz, and how conferences and events still generate real pipeline when you show up to give rather than sell. Plus how they think about valuing AI-pilled talent and staying focused.

Key takeaways

◾Software is the new lead magnet, not the PDF

◾Every feature launch is a marketable moment

◾Win the hallways at events, don't just speak

Chapters

00:00 Software is becoming marketing

03:03 Free products drive buzz

06:59 Events and conferences as lead gen

14:41 Valuing AI-pilled talent

19:58 Vision boards and focus

𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟

Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer.

🎙️ Learn More About the Hosts

 Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial

 Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel

Software Is Becoming Marketing

In episode #2869, Eric Siu and Neil Patel discuss the competition between Google Ads, Amazon Ads, and emerging platforms like TikTok. They highlight the growth of Amazon's advertising business and the potential for profitability in self-publishing through effective ad strategies. 

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(00:00) The Shifting Landscape of Online Advertising

(02:51) The Rise of Amazon Ads and Self-Publishing Success

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