Making Media

Sean Griffey - Big Bucks in Narrow Niches - [Making Media, EP.02]For this episode of Making Media, Dom and I sit down with Sean Griffey, CEO and Co-Founder of Industry Dive. When I first heard Sean talk about B2B media and his strategy for building Industry Dive, I needed to hear more. I devoured a ton of his podcast appearances and various interviews that he did because I often feel like conversations on media strategy purely focus on audience growth. They don't ever mention the nuances of who those people are in your audiences, how much you spent to acquire those audiences, and the realities of running a company that can actually just stay in business. Sean is the exact opposite of that and he has built a fascinating business with Industry Dive, which recently sold at an enterprise value north of $500 million. Sean is a great example of the success you can have with a focused strategy. I think there's something to learn regardless of whether you're a content creator or just on the business side of things. Enjoy this interview and our debrief after the conversation. For the full show notes, transcript, and links to the best content to learn more, check out the episode page here. ----- This episode is brought to you by Scribe. Scribe is the presenting sponsor of this episode of Making Media and the magic behind the Colossus transcripts. One of the best decisions we made at Colossus was transcribing all of our audio into a searchable transcript library. We had been using another provider up until the summer of 2022 but we were constantly having issues with accuracy if our audio was just the slightest bit impaired. Whether it's training sessions, internal Q&As, or for media purposes, the value of transcripts is huge. And we are not alone. Scribe is the transcription service that powers all of S&P Global - like CapIQ - and the client list includes our friends at Tegus. Go to joincolossus.com/scribe to unlock 150 minutes of free transcription and test their capabilities. ----- Making Media is a property of Colossus, LLC. For more episodes of Making Media, visit joincolossus.com/episodes. Stay up to date on all our podcasts by signing up to Colossus Weekly, our quick dive every Sunday highlighting the top business and investing concepts from our podcasts and the best of what we read that week. Sign up here. Follow us on Twitter: @ReustleMatt | @domcooke | @JoinColossus Show Notes [00:02:45] - [First question] - Overview of Industry Dive and the B2B media industry [00:04:41] - The state of advertisement media versus subscription-based models [00:06:20] - How they maintain consumer trust within their advertising model [00:08:12] - Their strategy for launching into new markets [00:11:42] - How Industry Dive has been able to accelerate their new launches [00:13:44] - The amount of investment runway they give to new publications [00:15:35] - Industry Dive’s standardization across both talent and systems [00:17:40] - Their perspective on advertisement sales [00:19:49] - How they maintain their content production volume at scale [00:21:36] - Their audience growth strategies [00:23:16] - Why consumer platforms like TikTok don’t always work for B2B advertising [00:24:45] - How they gather audience feedback [00:26:35] - The importance of their tech stack in audience growth and maintenance [00:28:30] - How they collaborate with brands in their content studio [00:31:33] - The proportions of their different sources of content [00:32:27] - How margins differ between their content studio and advertising sales [00:33:16] - How they might look to expand their business model in the future [00:34:41] - Why he thinks of marketers as their primary customer [00:35:55] - Their model for reinvestment to further grow their audience [00:37:43] - How the team took advantage of increased digital ad budgets during COVID [00:40:30] - What he worries about most regarding the future of Industry Dive [00:42:12] - Debrief

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Doug DeMuro - Driving Content to Commerce - [Making Media, EP.07]Today, we speak with one of YouTube's biggest stars, Doug DeMuro. Doug has one of, if not the biggest, YouTube channels dedicated to cars. He's been on the platform for a decade and has amassed 4.6 million subscribers to date. But he's not wedded to the video aggregator and is keenly aware of its downfalls, which is why he launched a car auction business, Cars & Bids, in 2020. Earlier this year, The Chernin Group, announced it had bought a majority stake in Cars & Bids for $37 million. We seized the opportunity to speak with Doug about his shift from content to commerce and his advice for fellow creators out there. Enjoy! For the full show notes, transcript, and links to the best content to learn more, check out the episode page here. ----- Scribe is the presenting sponsor of this episode of Making Media and the magic behind the Colossus transcripts. One of the best decisions we made at Colossus was transcribing all of our audio into a searchable transcript library. We had been using another provider up until the summer of 2022 but we were constantly having issues with accuracy if our audio was just the slightest bit impaired. Whether it's training sessions, internal Q&As, or for media purposes, the value of transcripts is huge. And we are not alone. Scribe is the transcription service that powers all of S&P Global - like CapIQ - and the client list includes our friends at Tegus. Go to joincolossus.com/scribe to unlock 150 minutes of free transcription and test their capabilities. ----- Making Media is a property of Colossus, LLC. For more episodes of Making Media, visit joincolossus.com/episodes. Stay up to date on all our podcasts by signing up to Colossus Weekly, our quick dive every Sunday highlighting the top business and investing concepts from our podcasts and the best of what we read that week. Sign up here. Follow us on Twitter: @ReustleMatt | @domcooke | @MakingMediaPod | @JoinColossus Show Notes [00:10:58] - [First question] - How he earned credibility among niche car communities and leveraged it [00:13:34] - His car review philosophies and why he pays his own way to automaker events [00:15:56] - How he got into videography and YouTube in the first place [00:18:31] - Data, algorithms, major platform changes, and his performance on YouTube [00:21:18] - The analytics parameters he pays the most attention to and why [00:22:15] - How he balances new content ideas and passions with tried-and-true formats [00:24:13] - His takes on the widespread YouTube criticism by content creators [00:26:22] - A look behind the scenes at his production process (or lack thereof) [00:28:59] - How he capitalizes on public perception of his authenticity [00:30:33] - How the YouTube landscape continues to evolve and become more competitive [00:33:02] - Why he doesn’t focus on branching out onto other social media platforms [00:34:33] - His view on paid growth and on Chernin Group in regard to growth [00:36:54] - How his business sense developed after his channel became a success [00:40:18] - Going blindly into his new business venture with Cars and Bids [00:41:42] - The simple marketing strategy for Cars and Bids [00:42:51] - Challenges in data attribution and analytics on their marketplace [00:45:07] - Why he chose to partner with the Chernin Group [00:49:36] - What his day-to-day operations look like then and now [00:51:43] - Why underwriting his business appealed to the Chernin Group [00:53:42] - Advice he might give other creators for diversifying income streams [00:54:54] - How he managed the transition into running multiple business arms [00:56:53] - Where he thinks creator-led new media businesses will go in the next ten years [00:58:43] - His second channel, “More Doug DeMuro,” as a creative outlet [01:00:47] - His views on monolithic algorithms [01:02:42] - De-Brief

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