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It Could Happen Here started as an exploration of the possibility of a new civil war. Now a daily show, it's evolved into a chronicle of collapse as it happens, and an exploration of how we might build a better future. Every day Robert Evans, Garrison Davis, Mia Wong, and James Stout take you on a jaunty walk through the burning ruins of the old world and towards a better one that lays just on the horizon.

It Could Happen Here

The gang makes their annual predictions.

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2026 Predictions

The gang answers listener questions.

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2025 Q&A

Margaret reads you a story about what enormous love it will take to rebuild the world and take back what's ours from the powerful.
 
Original Airdate: 7.21.2024

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CZM Rewind: CZM Book Club: "The Orchard of Tomorrow" by Kelsea Yu

James' final episode looks at the people helping migrants once they leave the Darién Gap, and how you can help.
 
Donation links for groups featured in this series: 
 
Border Kindness: https://borderkindness.org/donate/
Al Otro Lado: https://alotrolado.networkforgood.com/projects/63833-al-otro-lado-fund
Fe Y Alegria: https://www.feyalegria.org/en/home-fya-international/
 
Original Air Date: 11.1.24
 
Sources:
 
https://www.oig.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/assets/2023-11/OIG-24-07-Nov23.pdf
 
https://www.notiparole.com
 
https://www.instagram.com/p/DAaDkSwh1Jk/?igsh=bmgyanBteW10czd5
 
https://www.nytimes.com/1964/09/20/archives/a-new-canaldug-by-atom-bombs-nuclear-energy-is-the-key-to-replacing.html
 
https://www.themanual.com/outdoors/darien-gap-feature/
 
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/apr/18/panama-darien-gap-jose-raul-mulino
 
https://americasquarterly.org/article/the-darien-gaps-fearsome-reputation-has-been-centuries-in-the-making/
 
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/10/27/the-darien-gap-a-deadly-extension-of-the-us-border
 
https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/supporting_resources/jmhs.pdf
 
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/20/snakes-swamps-whisky-british-explorers-went-ultimate-boys-adventure/
 
https://www.strausscenter.org/publications/asylum-processing-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-august-2024/
 
https://www.gob.mx/inm/prensa/el-gobierno-mexicano-y-el-inm-articulan-corredor-emergente-de-movilidad-segura-para-el-traslado-de-personas-extranjeras-con-cita-cbp-one
 
https://english.elpais.com/international/2024-03-23/kidnapping-and-escape-of-95-ecuadorian-migrants-in-chiapas-if-you-continue-informing-we-will-return-them-in-bags.html
 
https://humanrightsfirst.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Asylum-Policies-Harm-Black-Asylum-Seekers-FACTSHEET-formatted.pdf
 
https://respondcrisistranslation.org/en/newsb/cbp-ones-obscene-language-errors-create-more-barriers-for-asylum-seekers
 
https://www.msf.org/lack-action-sees-sharp-rise-sexual-violence-people-transiting-darien-gap-panama

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CZM Rewind: What Can You Do? Mutual Aid Along the Migrant Journey

In the fourth installment of his series on the Darién Gap, James talks to migrants at Lajas Blancas reception center north of the Darién, who can often be stuck there for months without the money to continue their journeys.
 
Original Air Date: 10.31.24
 
Sources:
 
https://www.notiparole.com
 
https://www.instagram.com/p/DAaDkSwh1Jk/?igsh=bmgyanBteW10czd5
 
https://www.nytimes.com/1964/09/20/archives/a-new-canaldug-by-atom-bombs-nuclear-energy-is-the-key-to-replacing.html
 
https://www.themanual.com/outdoors/darien-gap-feature/
 
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/apr/18/panama-darien-gap-jose-raul-mulino
 
https://americasquarterly.org/article/the-darien-gaps-fearsome-reputation-has-been-centuries-in-the-making/
 
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/10/27/the-darien-gap-a-deadly-extension-of-the-us-border
 
https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/supporting_resources/jmhs.pdf
 
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/20/snakes-swamps-whisky-british-explorers-went-ultimate-boys-adventure/
 
https://www.strausscenter.org/publications/asylum-processing-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-august-2024/
 
https://www.gob.mx/inm/prensa/el-gobierno-mexicano-y-el-inm-articulan-corredor-emergente-de-movilidad-segura-para-el-traslado-de-personas-extranjeras-con-cita-cbp-one
 
https://english.elpais.com/international/2024-03-23/kidnapping-and-escape-of-95-ecuadorian-migrants-in-chiapas-if-you-continue-informing-we-will-return-them-in-bags.html
 
https://humanrightsfirst.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Asylum-Policies-Harm-Black-Asylum-Seekers-FACTSHEET-formatted.pdf
 
https://respondcrisistranslation.org/en/newsb/cbp-ones-obscene-language-errors-create-more-barriers-for-asylum-seekers
 
https://www.msf.org/lack-action-sees-sharp-rise-sexual-violence-people-transiting-darien-gap-panama

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CZM Rewind: As If We Had Been Imprisoned: The Migrant Reception Center

In part three of his series on the Darién Gap, James talks about what drives Venezuelan and African migrants to make the journey through the Darién Gap.
 
Original Air Date: 10.30.24
 
Sources:
 
https://www.notiparole.com
 
https://www.instagram.com/p/DAaDkSwh1Jk/?igsh=bmgyanBteW10czd5
 
https://www.nytimes.com/1964/09/20/archives/a-new-canaldug-by-atom-bombs-nuclear-energy-is-the-key-to-replacing.html
 
https://www.themanual.com/outdoors/darien-gap-feature/
 
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/apr/18/panama-darien-gap-jose-raul-mulino
 
https://americasquarterly.org/article/the-darien-gaps-fearsome-reputation-has-been-centuries-in-the-making/
 
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/10/27/the-darien-gap-a-deadly-extension-of-the-us-border
 
https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/supporting_resources/jmhs.pdf
 
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/20/snakes-swamps-whisky-british-explorers-went-ultimate-boys-adventure/
 
https://www.strausscenter.org/publications/asylum-processing-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-august-2024/
 
https://www.gob.mx/inm/prensa/el-gobierno-mexicano-y-el-inm-articulan-corredor-emergente-de-movilidad-segura-para-el-traslado-de-personas-extranjeras-con-cita-cbp-one
 
https://english.elpais.com/international/2024-03-23/kidnapping-and-escape-of-95-ecuadorian-migrants-in-chiapas-if-you-continue-informing-we-will-return-them-in-bags.html
 
https://humanrightsfirst.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Asylum-Policies-Harm-Black-Asylum-Seekers-FACTSHEET-formatted.pdf
 
https://respondcrisistranslation.org/en/newsb/cbp-ones-obscene-language-errors-create-more-barriers-for-asylum-seekers
 
https://www.msf.org/lack-action-sees-sharp-rise-sexual-violence-people-transiting-darien-gap-panama

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CZM Rewind: They Don’t Care About Us: What Migrants Leave Behind

In the second part of his series on the Darién Gap, James looks at the impacts of migration on the indigenous Panamanian Emberá community.
 
Original Air Date: 10.29.24
 
Sources:
 
https://www.notiparole.com
 
https://www.instagram.com/p/DAaDkSwh1Jk/?igsh=bmgyanBteW10czd5
 
https://www.nytimes.com/1964/09/20/archives/a-new-canaldug-by-atom-bombs-nuclear-energy-is-the-key-to-replacing.html
 
https://www.themanual.com/outdoors/darien-gap-feature/
 
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/apr/18/panama-darien-gap-jose-raul-mulino
 
https://americasquarterly.org/article/the-darien-gaps-fearsome-reputation-has-been-centuries-in-the-making/
 
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/10/27/the-darien-gap-a-deadly-extension-of-the-us-border
 
https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/supporting_resources/jmhs.pdf
 
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/20/snakes-swamps-whisky-british-explorers-went-ultimate-boys-adventure/
 
https://www.strausscenter.org/publications/asylum-processing-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-august-2024/
 
https://www.gob.mx/inm/prensa/el-gobierno-mexicano-y-el-inm-articulan-corredor-emergente-de-movilidad-segura-para-el-traslado-de-personas-extranjeras-con-cita-cbp-one
 
https://english.elpais.com/international/2024-03-23/kidnapping-and-escape-of-95-ecuadorian-migrants-in-chiapas-if-you-continue-informing-we-will-return-them-in-bags.html
 
https://humanrightsfirst.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Asylum-Policies-Harm-Black-Asylum-Seekers-FACTSHEET-formatted.pdf
 
https://respondcrisistranslation.org/en/newsb/cbp-ones-obscene-language-errors-create-more-barriers-for-asylum-seekers
 
https://www.msf.org/lack-action-sees-sharp-rise-sexual-violence-people-transiting-darien-gap-panama

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CZM Rewind: We Are All Brothers: How the Emberá Community of Bajo Chiquito Welcomes Migrants in the Darién Gap

Margaret reads you part two (of two) of her own story.

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CZM Book Club: Everything that Isn't Winter, by Margaret Killjoy, Part Two

In the first of five episodes, James describes his journey to the Darién gap in Southern Panama, and the journeys that thousands of migrants take each week on one of the most dangerous land migration routes on earth.
 
Original Air Date: 10.28.24
 
Sources:
 
https://www.notiparole.com
 
https://www.instagram.com/p/DAaDkSwh1Jk/?igsh=bmgyanBteW10czd5
 
https://www.nytimes.com/1964/09/20/archives/a-new-canaldug-by-atom-bombs-nuclear-energy-is-the-key-to-replacing.html
 
https://www.themanual.com/outdoors/darien-gap-feature/
 
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/apr/18/panama-darien-gap-jose-raul-mulino
 
https://americasquarterly.org/article/the-darien-gaps-fearsome-reputation-has-been-centuries-in-the-making/
 
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/10/27/the-darien-gap-a-deadly-extension-of-the-us-border
 
https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/supporting_resources/jmhs.pdf
 
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/20/snakes-swamps-whisky-british-explorers-went-ultimate-boys-adventure/
 
https://www.strausscenter.org/publications/asylum-processing-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-august-2024/
 
https://www.gob.mx/inm/prensa/el-gobierno-mexicano-y-el-inm-articulan-corredor-emergente-de-movilidad-segura-para-el-traslado-de-personas-extranjeras-con-cita-cbp-one
 
https://english.elpais.com/international/2024-03-23/kidnapping-and-escape-of-95-ecuadorian-migrants-in-chiapas-if-you-continue-informing-we-will-return-them-in-bags.html
 
https://humanrightsfirst.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Asylum-Policies-Harm-Black-Asylum-Seekers-FACTSHEET-formatted.pdf
 
https://respondcrisistranslation.org/en/newsb/cbp-ones-obscene-language-errors-create-more-barriers-for-asylum-seekers
 
https://www.msf.org/lack-action-sees-sharp-rise-sexual-violence-people-transiting-darien-gap-panama

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CZM Rewind: The Green Hell: Migration Through the Darién Gap

Mia talks about the new Abundance movement, its ideas and how it operates as a Trojan horse for its funders Peter Thiel and the Koch Brothers.
 
Orignal Air Date: 9.9.25
 
Sources:
 
https://thebaffler.com/latest/whats-the-matter-with-abundance-harris?ref=newintermag.com
 
https://newintermag.com/abundance-big-techs-bid-for-the-democratic-party/#fn16
 
https://archive.vn/zgPJ8
 
https://therevolvingdoorproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/Abundance-Ecosystem-Report-Final.pdf
 
https://www.semafor.com/article/08/17/2025/with-the-argument-the-left-gets-a-new-publication
 
http://www.thinktankwatch.com/2022/01/washingtons-newest-think-tank-institute.html
 
https://www.vcinfodocs.com/venture-capital-extremism
 
https://therevolvingdoorproject.org/who-is-behind-the-growing-abundance-movement/
 
https://www.vcinfodocs.com/the-tech-fascist-axis
 
https://www.abundancedc.org/speakers
 
https://www.vcinfodocs.com/the-tech-fascist-axis
 
https://archive.vn/GKRmw#selection-377.0-377.19
 
https://www.theargumentmag.com/about
 
https://prospect.org/economy/2024-11-26-abundance-agenda-neoliberalisms-rebrand/
 
https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/dc-attorney-general-inks-first-settlement-realpage-price-fixing-lawsuit-2025-06-02/
 
https://www.economicliberties.us/press-release/economic-liberties-launches-2025-end-rental-price-fixing-campaign/
 
https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/cea/written-materials/2024/12/17/the-cost-of-anticompetitive-pricing-algorithms-in-rental-housing/
 
https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-realpage-algorithmic-pricing-scheme-harms-millions-american-renters
 
https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-realpage-algorithmic-pricing-scheme-harms-millions-american-renters
 
https://techfascism.substack.com/p/the-network-state-and-infrastructure

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CZM Rewind: Abundance, Or How To Sell Tech Fascism To Liberals

Robert and Mia discuss the most recent round of uprisings in the French suburbs, the long colonial history behind them, and the people trying to make a quick buck by lying about them.

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Their Voice Is Fire: The Banlieues And The New Uprising in France

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