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Best friends Joel and Matt are the co-hosts of How to Money which is all about providing the knowledge & tools that normal folks need to thrive in areas like debt payoff, DIY investing, and crucial money tricks that will provide continuous help along your journey. We believe that access to unbiased and jargon-free personal finance guidance is more necessary than ever before. When you handle your money in a purposeful, thoughtful way that works for your lifestyle, you can really start living a rich life.

How to Money

Nearly 100 years ago, economist John Maynard Keynes predicted that we’d be working 15-hour weeks by now due to gains in productivity and technology. Tim Ferriss claims that you can pretty much do it all in a 4-hour workweek! Neither of those seem plausible but our guest today takes a much more reasonable approach and says that 4-day work weeks are not only feasible but can lighten the load, allowing us to live more life – all while being more productive! Juliet Schor is an economist and professor of sociology at Boston College and is best known for her research on work, consumption, and economic inequality. Some of the topics discussed today include:
 
 • How cultural attitudes towards work can hinder progress
 • Four-day work week can improve productivity and employee satisfaction
 • Companies are beginning to recognize the benefits of shorter work weeks
 • People often prioritize work over personal life due to societal pressures
 • Ways to advocate and push for a more reasonable work week
 • Navigating a post-growth world requires reevaluating consumption habits
 • No amount of money can compensate for more work among certain workers
 • And plenty more!
 
 
 
Want more How To Money in your life? Here are some additional ways to get ahead with your personal finances:
 
 • Be sure and check out 
Juliet’s book, Four Days A Week: The Life-Changing Solution for Reducing Employee Stress, Improving Well-Being, and Working Smarter • Knowing your ‘money gear’ is a crucial part of your personal finance journey. 
Start here. • 
 • Sign up for the weekly 
HTM newsletter • . It’s fun, free, & practical.
 • Find a thriving community of fellow money nerds by joining the 
HTM Facebook group! • Massively reduce your 
cell phone bill • each month by switching to a discount provider like Mint Mobile.
 
 
 
And please help us to spread the word by letting friends and family know about How to Money! Hit the share button, subscribe if you’re not already a regular listener, and give us a quick review in Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Help us to change the conversation around personal finance and get more people doing smart things with their money!
 
 
 
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Work Less, Live More w/ Juliet Schor #1058

Let’s kick off the week with some fresh listener questions we have lined up for you! And don't just stand on the sidelines- if you have a question you’d like us to answer, toss your voice memo our way. It only takes about 90 seconds to record and you can find a step by step guide over at HowToMoney.com/ask . Regardless of how random or bizarre you might think it is, we want to hear it!
 
 
 
1 - Tax help: where should I find a tax professional and how much should one cost?
 
2 - Frugal or cheap: should I continue to reuse ziploc bags if I have millions in the bank?
 
3 - Revocable trust: does it make sense to update my parents' trust or should they scrap it for a brand new one?
 
4 - Savings rates: what’s going on with HYSA interest rates?
 
5 - Termites: is it time to take matters into my own hands or do I just pay to renew the termite warranty?
 
 
 
Want more How To Money in your life? Here are some additional ways to get ahead with your personal finances:
 
 • Learn how you can take on some 
DIY pest control • that will give you professional results at a fraction of the cost. And a 
Bug-A-Salt gun • is fun and actually works- especially on house flies!
 • Knowing your ‘money gear’ is a crucial part of your personal finance journey. 
Start here. • 
 • Sign up for the weekly 
HTM newsletter • . It’s fun, free, & practical.
 • Join a thriving community of fellow money in the 
HTM Facebook group. • Massively reduce your 
cell phone bill • each month by switching to a discount provider like Mint Mobile.
 
 
 
During this episode we enjoyed a The Scars on Greedy Palms by Burial! And please help us to spread the word by letting friends and family know about How to Money! Hit the share button, subscribe if you’re not already a regular listener, and give us a quick review in Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Help us to change the conversation around personal finance and get more people doing smart things with their money!
 
 
 
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Ask HTM - Spending on a Tax Pro, Frugal Practices for Millionaires, & Ending a Termite Bond #1057

Time for a Friday Flight- our little sampling of the week’s financial news and what it means for your personal finances. There are a lot of headlines out there, but we boil them down to specific takeaways that will allow you to kick off the weekend informed and help you to get ahead with your money. In this episode we explain some relevant and helpful stories like:
 
 • Candy buyback
 Eating roadkill?! Affordable Thanksgiving dinner Discount burnout Bubble trouble What even is “bearish” High on gold Leveraged ETFs Bummed after winning the bidding war Renters rejoice Luxury apartment con job Gen Z credit hurdles 
 
 
Want more How To Money in your life? Here are some additional ways to get ahead with your personal finances:
 
 • I’m not sure who needs to hear this but 
Health Savings Accounts, or HSAs, are the ultimate retirement accounts. • Knowing your ‘money gear’ is a crucial part of your personal finance journey. 
Start here. • 
 • Sign up for the weekly 
HTM newsletter • . It’s fun, free, & practical.
 • Join a thriving community of fellow money in the 
HTM Facebook group. • Massively reduce your 
cell phone bill • each month by switching to a discount provider like Mint Mobile.
 
 
 
And please help us to spread the word by letting friends and family know about How to Money! Hit the share button, subscribe if you’re not already a regular listener, and give us a quick review in Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Help us to change the conversation around personal finance and get more people doing smart things with their money. Have an awesome weekend!
 
 
 
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Friday Flight - Discount Burnout, Bubble Trouble, & Rejoicing Renters (plus roadkill, gold bars, more...) #1056

A financial advisor WON’T magically fix your money problems, but many folks assume that by hiring a professional, they’re well on their way to financial success. Maybe, but maybe not, because a bunch of different factors come into play. And who better to have this discussion with other than award-winning investor advocate and financial educator Pam Krueger. She began her career as a stockbroker before moving into financial media, where she created and co-hosted the PBS series MoneyTrack where her work emphasizes transparency, investor protection, and understanding how advisors are compensated. Pam is also the founder and CEO of Wealthramp, a platform that connects consumers with vetted fiduciary financial advisors and today we discuss: 
 
 • Determining if you should DIY or delegate
 • The one silver bullet in everyone’s financial journey
 • Conflicts of interest and the fiduciary standard
 • Fee-only advisors, unbiased advice without commissions
 • Expecting transparency in advisor fees
 • Paying for “meh” financial advice
 • Breaking up with an advisor if you’re unhappy
 • How Wealthramp advisors are vetted and finding the right advisor for you!
 
 
 
Want more How To Money in your life? Here are some additional ways to get ahead with your personal finances:
 
 • Head to 
HowToMoney.com/advisor • if you’re interested in a SOLID financial advisor who will be a great fit for you.
 • Knowing your ‘money gear’ is a crucial part of your personal finance journey. 
Start here. • 
 • Sign up for the weekly 
HTM newsletter • . It’s fun, free, & practical.
 • Find a thriving community of fellow money nerds by joining the 
HTM Facebook group! • Massively reduce your 
cell phone bill • each month by switching to a discount provider like Mint Mobile.
 
 
 
And please help us to spread the word by letting friends and family know about How to Money! Hit the share button, subscribe if you’re not already a regular listener, and give us a quick review in Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Help us to change the conversation around personal finance and get more people doing smart things with their money!
 
 
 
Best friends out!

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DIY or Delegate: the Financial Advisor Conundrum w/ Pam Krueger #1055

Let’s kick off the week with some fresh listener questions we have lined up for you! And don't just stand on the sidelines- if you have a question you’d like us to answer, toss your voice memo our way. It only takes about 90 seconds to record and you can find a step by step guide over at HowToMoney.com/ask . Regardless of how random or bizarre you might think it is, we want to hear it!
 
 
 
1 - Savings rates: how should I account for a disability payment when calculating my savings rate?
 
2 - $300,000: if I want to retire early in a couple years, what should I do with a settlement payout?
 
3 - 401k faux pas: WTD with my 401k that I overcontributed to last year?
 
4 - New car: how should I save up for a new ride I might buy in 5-6 years?
 
5 - Credit repair: student loan autodraft got dropped, credit score busted, now pay to get it fixed? 
 
 
 
Want more How To Money in your life? Here are some additional ways to get ahead with your personal finances:
 
 Calculating your savings rate • and knowing that single metric can give your finances the boost needed to achieve early retirement.
 • Knowing your ‘money gear’ is a crucial part of your personal finance journey. 
Start here. • 
 • Sign up for the weekly 
HTM newsletter • . It’s fun, free, & practical.
 • Join a thriving community of fellow money in the 
HTM Facebook group. • Massively reduce your 
cell phone bill • each month by switching to a discount provider like Mint Mobile.
 
 
 
During this episode we enjoyed a Presence of Another World by Bissell Brothers! And please help us to spread the word by letting friends and family know about How to Money! Hit the share button, subscribe if you’re not already a regular listener, and give us a quick review in Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Help us to change the conversation around personal finance and get more people doing smart things with their money!
 
 
 
Best friends out!

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Ask HTM – Sinking Funds for BIG Purchases, PTO Advances, & Investing for Early Retirement #1054

Time for a Friday Flight- our little sampling of the week’s financial news and what it means for your personal finances. There are a lot of headlines out there, but we boil them down to specific takeaways that will allow you to kick off the weekend informed and help you to get ahead with your money. In this episode we explain some relevant and helpful stories like:
 
 The running industrial complex Exorbitant cost of running tourism Lead in the protein powders More money leading to sloppier habits Moneyless millionaires AI takes on ecommerce Subs for the suds Silly names are killing craft beer Credit card churning Premium cards with premium fees HSAs are going mainstream Rx vending machines 
 
 
Want more How To Money in your life? Here are some additional ways to get ahead with your personal finances:
 
 • I’m not sure who needs to hear this but 
Health Savings Accounts, or HSAs, are the ultimate retirement accounts. • Knowing your ‘money gear’ is a crucial part of your personal finance journey. 
Start here. • 
 • Sign up for the weekly 
HTM newsletter • . It’s fun, free, & practical.
 • Join a thriving community of fellow money in the 
HTM Facebook group. • Massively reduce your 
cell phone bill • each month by switching to a discount provider like Mint Mobile.
 
 
 
And please help us to spread the word by letting friends and family know about How to Money! Hit the share button, subscribe if you’re not already a regular listener, and give us a quick review in Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Help us to change the conversation around personal finance and get more people doing smart things with their money. Have an awesome weekend!
 
 
 
Best friends out!

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Friday Flight - Moneyless Millionaires, Credit Card Churning & AI Goes E-Commerce #1053

Figuring out your money is tough enough if you’re flying solo. Doing it with your partner ramps up the difficulty level because you're throwing in varied money history, habits, and goals. It can create a lot of friction! Our guests today have a lot of great advice for couples looking to do better with their finances and create a ‘team vibe’ with their partner. If you looked up the definition of ‘power couple’ in the dictionary, you just might see a picture of Doug and Heather Boneparth next to it. Doug has built his own successful financial advisor firm while simultaneously tweeting hilarious memes. Heather is a former corporate attorney and director of business affairs for that firm, Bona Fide Wealth. They’ve written the fabulous new book ‘Money Together’ which launches next week on the 28th, and today we discuss:
 
 • How understanding individual money histories is crucial for couples
 • Impact of shame around finances
 • Balancing individual and shared goals
 • Creating positive financial vibes
 • Regular money dates 
 • Investing in one area often requires sacrifices in another
 • It's important to recognize the contributions beyond monetary income
 • And plenty more!
 
 
 
Want more How To Money in your life? Here are some additional ways to get ahead with your personal finances:
 
 DoMoneyTogether.com • is where you can go to learn all about Heather and Doug’s book. 
ReadTheJointAccount.com • is their newsletter and 
BoneFideWealth.com • is their wealth advisory firm.
 • Knowing your ‘money gear’ is a crucial part of your personal finance journey. 
Start here. • 
 • Sign up for the weekly 
HTM newsletter • . It’s fun, free, & practical.
 • Find a thriving community of fellow money nerds by joining the 
HTM Facebook group! • Massively reduce your 
cell phone bill • each month by switching to a discount provider like Mint Mobile.
 
 
 
And please help us to spread the word by letting friends and family know about How to Money! Hit the share button, subscribe if you’re not already a regular listener, and give us a quick review in Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Help us to change the conversation around personal finance and get more people doing smart things with their money!
 
 
 
Best friends out!

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Can Love Survive a Budget!? w/ Doug & Heather Boneparth #1052

Let’s kick off the week with some fresh listener questions we have lined up for you! And don't just stand on the sidelines- if you have a question you’d like us to answer, toss your voice memo our way. It only takes about 90 seconds to record and you can find a step by step guide over at HowToMoney.com/ask . Regardless of how random or bizarre you might think it is, we want to hear it!
 
 
 
1 - Credit card no-nos: after getting a $900 welcome offer should I take advantage of one year of no interest?
 
2 - HSA: what’s the best way of keeping up with medical expenses so I can invest my HSA funds?
 
3 - 403b: should I participate in my 403b if I don’t think I’ll stay long enough to vest?
 
4 - Roth IRA: explainlikeimfive, how exactly do I invest in my Roth?!
 
5 - Medium term investing: is 2-3 years long enough to invest a down payment?
 
 
 
Want more How To Money in your life? Here are some additional ways to get ahead with your personal finances:
 
 • Knowing your ‘money gear’ is a crucial part of your personal finance journey. 
Start here. • 
 • Sign up for the weekly 
HTM newsletter • . It’s fun, free, & practical.
 • Join a thriving community of fellow money in the 
HTM Facebook group. • Massively reduce your 
cell phone bill • each month by switching to a discount provider like Mint Mobile.
 
 
 
During this episode we enjoyed a Twin by Living Waters Brewing! And please help us to spread the word by letting friends and family know about How to Money! Hit the share button, subscribe if you’re not already a regular listener, and give us a quick review in Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Help us to change the conversation around personal finance and get more people doing smart things with their money!
 
 
 
Best friends out!

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Ask HTM - Medium-Term Investing Conundrums, Naughty Credit Card Behavior, & Vapid Vesting Periods #1051

Time for a Friday Flight- our little sampling of the week’s financial news and what it means for your personal finances. There are a lot of headlines out there, but we boil them down to specific takeaways that will allow you to kick off the weekend informed and help you to get ahead with your money. In this episode we explain some relevant and helpful stories like:
 
 Government shutdown federal layoffs Deploying a Bare Bones Budget Accidental landlords Ending capital gains on primary residences Space heaters to the rescue $30 home (mint)ternet Rent vs attending a wedding WFH premium Debilitating debt Perceived importance of college College discounts The necessity of creative destruction 
 
 
Want more How To Money in your life? Here are some additional ways to get ahead with your personal finances:
 
 • Knowing your ‘money gear’ is a crucial part of your personal finance journey. 
Start here. • 
 • Sign up for the weekly 
HTM newsletter • . It’s fun, free, & practical.
 • Join a thriving community of fellow money in the 
HTM Facebook group. • Massively reduce your 
cell phone bill • each month by switching to a discount provider like Mint Mobile.
 
 
 
And please help us to spread the word by letting friends and family know about How to Money! Hit the share button, subscribe if you’re not already a regular listener, and give us a quick review in Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Help us to change the conversation around personal finance and get more people doing smart things with their money. Have an awesome weekend!
 
 
 
Best friends out!

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Friday Flight - Accidental Landlords, Debilitating Debt & The WFH Premium #1050

Our guest today is a self professed personal finance oddball! Len Penzo spent 35 years in the aerospace industry before retiring at age 58 as an electrical engineer. Along the way he launched LenPenzo.com in December 2008 (he even helped to give Joel a start writing personal finance content back in the day). Since then, the blog has drawn millions of readers and earned awards from publications like Kiplinger. Len’s work has appeared in outlets like Forbes, Time, Business Insider, CBS MoneyWatch, and he’s been featured on radio and TV segments. And he now has a new book out called True Money Stories that’s about the intersection of money and family life. We discuss:
 
 • Intelligence vs. financial management
 • Running household finances like a business
 • The importance of honesty in personal finance
 • Allowing children to make financial mistakes
 • The annual sandwich survey and inflation
 • Navigating retirement and long-term care
 • And much more!
 
 
 
Want more How To Money in your life? Here are some additional ways to get ahead with your personal finances:
 
 • Check out Len’s book 
True Money Stories • , more of his 
writings at his site • , and 
follow over on X • .
 • Knowing your ‘money gear’ is a crucial part of your personal finance journey. 
Start here. • 
 • Sign up for the weekly 
HTM newsletter • . It’s fun, free, & practical.
 • Find a thriving community of fellow money nerds by joining the 
HTM Facebook group! • Massively reduce your 
cell phone bill • each month by switching to a discount provider like Mint Mobile.
 
 
 
And please help us to spread the word by letting friends and family know about How to Money! Hit the share button, subscribe if you’re not already a regular listener, and give us a quick review in Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Help us to change the conversation around personal finance and get more people doing smart things with their money!
 
 
 
Best friends out!

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Money Truths You Won’t Hear Anywhere Else w/ Len Penzo #1049

You don’t have to be a millionaire to be a successful real estate investor. Chad Carson, our $Pro this week, is here to explain how even a small, effective real estate portfolio can lead to reaching your financial goals in a short period of time. He illustrates this with an example of a couple reaching financial independence with only five properties, not hundreds! Having greater financial freedom and flexibility with your time will be the natural outcome of focusing on your goals, and carefully investing in real estate can take you there.

During this episode we enjoyed a Primordial Noir by Cascade Brewing which you can find and learn all about on Untappd. A massive thanks for Alex in Oregon for donating this beer to the show! And if you enjoyed this episode, be sure to subscribe and give us a quick review in Apple Podcasts, Castbox, or wherever you get your podcasts- we’d love to hear from you.

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