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Best friends Joel and Matt are the co-hosts of How to Money which is all about providing the knowledge & tools that normal folks need to thrive in areas like debt payoff, DIY investing, and crucial money tricks that will provide continuous help along your journey. We believe that access to unbiased and jargon-free personal finance guidance is more necessary than ever before. When you handle your money in a purposeful, thoughtful way that works for your lifestyle, you can really start living a rich life.

How to Money

Time for a Friday Flight- our little sampling of the week’s best financial news and what it means for your personal finances. There are a lot of headlines out there, but we boil them down to specific takeaways that will allow you to kick off the weekend informed and help you to get ahead with your money. In this episode we explain some relevant and helpful stories like:
 
 Jump at the pump We have ‘oil insurance’ Most fuel efficient cars Cheapest new cars Fewer work from home roles Lack of job-hopping leverage We’re all time poor 401k raiders HELOC pillagers Small biz 401k plans on the rise Joel hates cashmere Printer companies have us over a barrel Affordable Apples 
 
 
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what to do with your money • is crucial to your personal finance journey.
 MG7: • and maybe you’re well on your way to financial independence but you’re looking for some financial reassurance, that’s when heading over to 
HowToMoney.com/Advisor • and getting matched with a highly vetted financial advisor makes sense.
 
 
 
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Friday Flight - Jump at the Pump, Lessening Leverage, & Tapping Too Soon #1110

Joel met Phil halfway through a marathon a few months ago – literally in the middle of the race. It’s funny how life works and after running side by side and chatting for half an hour it was clear he’d only scratched the surface of his story. Phil Sanders is a serial entrepreneur and like most entrepreneurs, not every venture has been a home run. He’s experienced the highs, the lows of bankruptcy, and everything in between when it comes to building businesses. Today, Phil runs a company called Multiply, where he helps business owners sharpen their strategy, build more successful companies, and he’s here today to share some of his hard-earned wisdom. We discuss:
 
 • How Phil is balancing current enjoyment with future savings
 • Profitability should be a primary focus from day one
 • Overcoming ego and temptation to find identity in work and business
 • Identifying what you want out of your business
 • How bankruptcy can lead to personal growth and new opportunities
 • Vulnerability and overcoming fear to building strength and resilience
 • Embracing change for professional and personal growth
 • And much more!
 
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financial services and strategy business is Multiply • , and you can keep up with 
him on LinkedIn • and 
Instagram Credit card perks: • Check out 
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 Newsletter: • Sign up for the weekly 
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Bouncing Back from Bankruptcy & Business Failure w/ Phil Sanders #1109

We’re kicking off the week by answering your listener questions! And if you have a question that you’d like for us to answer on the show, we’d love for you to submit your own via HowToMoney.com/ask , send us your voice memo. Regardless of how random or bizarre you might think it is, we want to hear it!
 
 
 
1 - Housing costs: What’s a good rule of thumb to stick with to help me keep my mortgage payment in check?
 
2 - 401k rollover: Can you share the penalties and benefits of a retirement account rollover?
 
3 - Boat payment: How much should I pull out of my savings to finally get rid of my boat loan?
 
4 - World Cup: How do I ensure that I make the most money and avoid any pitfalls when renting my place for the World Cup this summer?
 
5 - Down payment: My down payment is in stocks but I might be buying a house next month… what do I do?!
 
 
 
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Capitalize • is the site we discussed where you can easily roll over an old 401k for free- don’t let your retirement dollars languish with an inferior provider!
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our favorite credit cards • that we use to maximize rewards and optimize our spending.
 Other money nerds: • Find a thriving community of fellow money nerds by joining the 
HTM Facebook group! Newsletter: • Sign up for the weekly 
HTM newsletter • . It’s fun, free, & practical.
 Money Gears: • knowing 
what to do with your money • is crucial to your personal finance journey.
 MG7: • and maybe you’re well on your way to financial independence but you’re looking for some financial reassurance, that’s when heading over to 
HowToMoney.com/Advisor • and getting matched with a highly vetted financial advisor makes sense.
 
 
 
During this episode we enjoyed a Harpeth by Living Waters! And please help us to spread the word by letting friends and family know about How to Money! Hit the share button, subscribe if you’re not already a regular listener, and give us a quick review in Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Help us to change the conversation around personal finance and get more people doing smart things with their money!
 
 
 
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Ask HTM - Housing Rule of Thumb, Axing a Boat Payments, & Making Bank on the World Cup #1108

Time for a Friday Flight- our little sampling of the week’s best financial news and what it means for your personal finances. There are a lot of headlines out there, but we boil them down to specific takeaways that will allow you to kick off the weekend informed and help you to get ahead with your money. In this episode we explain some relevant and helpful stories like:
 
 Tariff turmoil New retirement plan on the horizon, with a match Housing maintenance costs Gen Z content to rent Frozen home sales in January Lowest mortgage rates since 2022 Trolling from beyond the grave Prenups in vogue again Got insurance, but still not immune to bankruptcy Border hopping for bargains Always check the pantry Passing on the steak 
 
 
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 Prenups… are for lovers according to Aaron Thomas! Credit card perks: • Check out 
our favorite credit cards • that we use to maximize rewards and optimize our spending.
 Other money nerds: • Find a thriving community of fellow money nerds by joining the 
HTM Facebook group! Newsletter: • Sign up for the weekly 
HTM newsletter • . It’s fun, free, & practical.
 Money Gears: • knowing 
what to do with your money • is crucial to your personal finance journey.
 MG7: • and maybe you’re well on your way to financial independence but you’re looking for some financial reassurance, that’s when heading over to 
HowToMoney.com/Advisor • and getting matched with a highly vetted financial advisor makes sense.
 
 
 
And please help us to spread the word by letting friends and family know about How to Money! Hit the share button, subscribe if you’re not already a regular listener, and give us a quick review in Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Help us to change the conversation around personal finance and get more people doing smart things with their money!
 
 
 
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Friday Flight - Tariff Turmoil, Winning So Much, & Border-Hopping for Bargains #1107

Most money advice is a broken record: save more, invest early, and wait for freedom. But what if the real risk isn't running out of money but instead is running out of time? In this episode, we’re challenging the "accumulation at all costs" mindset with Bill Perkins, author of the cult classic Die With Zero. It turns out that a healthy money relationship isn’t just about building wealth but it’s also about intentional spending. Bill argues that time is the most precious asset we have, and that waiting too long to enjoy it can be a costly mistake because we don’t want to reach the finish line with a full bank account and a lifetime of missed opportunities! We discuss how:
 
 • Time is the most precious asset we have
 • Travel makes you a richer person
 • Your health impacts your wealth
 • Timing your life experiences
 • Memory dividends are inflation protected fulfillment
 • Delayed gratification as a form of prison
 • His concept of time buckets
 • Life is full of risk and we have to decide what's worth it
 • And much more!
 
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 Bill Perkins: • Check out the book yourself: 
Die With Zero • , be sure to 
not • follow (Bill’s own recommendation) on 
Insta • or 
X • , and more resources can be found at the 
site • for the book as well.
 Credit card perks: • Check out 
our favorite credit cards • that we use to maximize rewards and optimize our spending.
 Money Gears: • knowing 
what to do with your money • is crucial to your personal finance journey.
 Newsletter: • Sign up for the weekly 
HTM newsletter • . It’s fun, free, & practical.
 Other money nerds: • Find a thriving community of fellow money nerds by joining the 
HTM Facebook group! 
 
 
And please help us to spread the word by letting friends and family know about How to Money! Hit the share button, subscribe if you’re not already a regular listener, and give us a quick review in Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Help us to change the conversation around personal finance and get more people doing smart things with their money!
 
 
 
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Die with Zero w/ Bill Perkins #1106

We’re kicking off the week by answering your listener questions! And if you have a question that you’d like for us to answer on the show, we’d love for you to submit your own via HowToMoney.com/ask , send us your voice memo. Regardless of how random or bizarre you might think it is, we want to hear it!
 
 
 
1 - Student loans: what can I do to avoid being in student loans for the rest of my life?!
 
2 - Lower income, higher net worth: should I be nervous that our monthly spending is more than what we’re bringing in?
 
3 - Self employed: if I would like to save more should I invest more dollars into my brokerage account or is there a better option?
 
4 - Amazon: can I still use my Fire TV if I cancel my Amazon Prime membership?
 
5 - Small business: what are the best business savings accounts available today?
 
 
 
Want more How To Money in your life? Here are some additional ways to get ahead with your personal finances:
 
 Credit card perks: • Check out 
our favorite credit cards • that we use to maximize rewards and optimize our spending.
 Other money nerds: • Find a thriving community of fellow money nerds by joining the 
HTM Facebook group! Newsletter: • Sign up for the weekly 
HTM newsletter • . It’s fun, free, & practical.
 Money Gears: • knowing 
what to do with your money • is crucial to your personal finance journey.
 MG7: • and maybe you’re well on your way to financial independence but you’re looking for some financial reassurance, that’s when heading over to 
HowToMoney.com/Advisor • and getting matched with a highly vetted financial advisor makes sense.
 
 
 
During this episode we enjoyed a Porter by Incendiary Brewing - a huge thanks to Brandon for donating this one to the show! And please help us to spread the word by letting friends and family know about How to Money! Hit the share button, subscribe if you’re not already a regular listener, and give us a quick review in Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Help us to change the conversation around personal finance and get more people doing smart things with their money!
 
 
 
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Ask HTM - High Net Worth but still Paycheck to Paycheck, Better Investing for Freelancers, & the Necessity of Amazon Prime #1105

Time for a Friday Flight- our little sampling of the week’s best financial news and what it means for your personal finances. There are a lot of headlines out there, but we boil them down to specific takeaways that will allow you to kick off the weekend informed and help you to get ahead with your money. In this episode we explain some relevant and helpful stories like:
 
 401k mullets and quarter-zips Don’t sleep on the solo 401k Crappy coffee Surveillance pricing 1.3 trillion in credit card debt High income earners are delinquent too Collections dos and don’ts Pets are family The going babysitting hourly rate Gray-shaped economy Gamble on anything and everything Bitcoin bashing 
 
 
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 Credit card perks: • Check out 
our favorite credit cards • that we use to maximize rewards and optimize our spending.
 Other money nerds: • Find a thriving community of fellow money nerds by joining the 
HTM Facebook group! Newsletter: • Sign up for the weekly 
HTM newsletter • . It’s fun, free, & practical.
 Money Gears: • knowing 
what to do with your money • is crucial to your personal finance journey.
 MG7: • and maybe you’re well on your way to financial independence but you’re looking for some financial reassurance, that’s when heading over to 
HowToMoney.com/Advisor • and getting matched with a highly vetted financial advisor makes sense.
 
 
 
And please help us to spread the word by letting friends and family know about How to Money! Hit the share button, subscribe if you’re not already a regular listener, and give us a quick review in Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Help us to change the conversation around personal finance and get more people doing smart things with their money!
 
 
 
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Friday Flight - 401k Mullets, Crappy Coffee, & Bitcoin Bashing #1104

How often do you stop to consider that your hormones might be the ones clicking "Add to Cart"? We like to pretend money is just logic and spreadsheets, but let’s be real: it’s emotional, it’s messy, and it’s never just about the numbers. If you’re tired of carrying the weight of old financial mistakes or wondering why you’re stuck in the same self-sabotaging loops, this episode is your manual for a reset. Today, we’re joined by Shannah Game, a CFP and Money Therapist who bridges the gap between your brain and your bank account. Get ready to ditch the shame, kill the stress, and finally build a relationship with money that actually feels good. Today we discuss: 
 
 • How even successful folks feel stressed about their money
 • Importance of communication with your parter
 • Understanding and enjoying the financial journey in addition to goals
 • Identifying ‘enough’
 • Recognizing the ways you’re crushing it
 • Financial growth accompanied by emotional growth
 • Impact of your finances on your overall well-being
 • And much more!
 
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 Shannah: • Find everything “Shannah” at her site, 
HeyShannah.com • , including her book 
Unraveling Your Relationship With Money. Credit card perks: • Check out 
our favorite credit cards • that we use to maximize rewards and optimize our spending.
 Money Gears: • Knowing 
what to do with your money • is crucial to your personal finance journey.
 Newsletter: • Sign up for the weekly 
HTM newsletter • . It’s fun, free, & practical.
 Other money nerds: • Find a thriving community of fellow money nerds by joining the 
HTM Facebook group! 
 
 
And please help us to spread the word by letting friends and family know about How to Money! Hit the share button, subscribe if you’re not already a regular listener, and give us a quick review in Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Help us to change the conversation around personal finance and get more people doing smart things with their money!
 
 
 
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Why Being “Good With Money” Still Feels So Hard w/ Shannah Game #1103

We’re kicking off the week by answering your listener questions! And if you have a question that you’d like for us to answer on the show, we’d love for you to submit your own via HowToMoney.com/ask , send us your voice memo. Regardless of how random or bizarre you might think it is, we want to hear it!
 
 
 
1 - Collections: Is waiting for my unexpected medical bill to head to collections a good or great strategy?
 
2 - Student loans: What should I do while my student loans are in administrative forbearance?
 
3 - HSA: Will I be able to reimburse myself for kid medical expenses off in the future when they have their own insurance?
 
4 - Preggo: After Money Gear 7, what should be our next top priority since we’re now expecting a baby this summer?
 
5 - Infidelity: What do I do about the secret debt my wife racked up over the holidays?
 
 
 
Want more How To Money in your life? Here are some additional ways to get ahead with your personal finances:
 
 Credit card perks: • Check out 
our favorite credit cards • that we use to maximize rewards and optimize our spending.
 Other money nerds: • Find a thriving community of fellow money nerds by joining the 
HTM Facebook group! Newsletter: • Sign up for the weekly 
HTM newsletter • . It’s fun, free, & practical.
 Money Gears: • knowing 
what to do with your money • is crucial to your personal finance journey.
 MG7: • and maybe you’re well on your way to financial independence but you’re looking for some financial reassurance, that’s when heading over to 
HowToMoney.com/Advisor • and getting matched with a highly vetted financial advisor makes sense.
 
 
 
During this episode we enjoyed a Vienna Lager by Incendiary Brewing - a huge thanks to Brandon for donating this one to the show! And please help us to spread the word by letting friends and family know about How to Money! Hit the share button, subscribe if you’re not already a regular listener, and give us a quick review in Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Help us to change the conversation around personal finance and get more people doing smart things with their money!
 
 
 
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Ask HTM - Student Loans in Administrative Forbearance, Intentionally Entering into Collections, and Financial Infidelity #1102

Time for a Friday Flight- our little sampling of the week’s best financial news and what it means for your personal finances. There are a lot of headlines out there, but we boil them down to specific takeaways that will allow you to kick off the weekend informed and help you to get ahead with your money. In this episode we explain some relevant and helpful stories like:
 
 Hidden skimp-flation Plunging prices Full coverage premiums on the decline Costco bests Aldi DoorDash dependency Headhunters turned breadhunters Ghost jobs Sourdough baking in the cash Day-trading Doris Volunteering to better health and life satisfaction Unretiring Drugs on TrumpRx WTD about home prices Buying a house with a friend No minimum credit scores for mortgages False Identity Theft Reporting… is a crime 
 
 
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 Credit score: No shortcuts but actual ways to boost your credit score. Credit card perks: • Check out 
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 Other money nerds: • Find a thriving community of fellow money nerds by joining the 
HTM Facebook group! Newsletter: • Sign up for the weekly 
HTM newsletter • . It’s fun, free, & practical.
 Money Gears: • knowing 
what to do with your money • is crucial to your personal finance journey.
 MG7: • and maybe you’re well on your way to financial independence but you’re looking for some financial reassurance, that’s when heading over to 
HowToMoney.com/Advisor • and getting matched with a highly vetted financial advisor makes sense.
 
 
 
And please help us to spread the word by letting friends and family know about How to Money! Hit the share button, subscribe if you’re not already a regular listener, and give us a quick review in Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Help us to change the conversation around personal finance and get more people doing smart things with their money!
 
 
 
Best friends out!

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Friday Flight - Tariff Turmoil, Winning So Much, & Border-Hopping for Bargains #1107

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