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Freakonomics Radio + Stitcher

Freakonomics co-author Stephen J. Dubner uncovers the hidden side of everything. Why is it safer to fly in an airplane than drive a car? How do we decide whom to marry? Why is the media so full of bad news? Also: things you never knew you wanted to know about wolves, bananas, pollution, search engines, and the quirks of human behavior.

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Freakonomics Radio

The Pulitzer Prize-winning novelist Jennifer Egan talks about confidence, luck, and why it takes 35 drafts to get to the finish line.

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“I Trust Almost Anyone More Than Myself” | Better in Person

The world’s great museums are full of art and artifacts that were plundered during an era when plunder was the norm. Now there’s a push to return these works to their rightful owners. Sounds simple, right? It's not. (Part 2 of an updated series originally published in 2023.)

 

 SOURCES: • 

 Matthew Bogdanos • , assistant district attorney in the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office and chief of the Antiquities Trafficking Unit.

 Nicholas Cullinan • , director of the British Museum.

 Victor Ehikhamenor • , Nigerian writer and artist.

 David Frum • , staff writer at 
The Atlantic.
 Dan Hicks • , professor of contemporary archaeology at the University of Oxford and curator of world archaeology at the Pitt Rivers Museum.

 Bénédicte Savoy • , professor of art history at the Technical University in Berlin.

 

 

 RESOURCES: • 

 • "
These Looted Treasures Are Home. What Now? • ," by Alex Marshall 
(New York Times, • 2025).

 • "
France's Long-Awaited Restitution Policy Is Finally Here • ," by Vincent Noce (
The Art Newspaper, • 2023).

 Africa’s Struggle for Its Art: History of a Postcolonial Defeat, • by Bénédicte Savoy (2022).

 • "
Who Benefits When Western Museums Return Looted Art? • " by David Frum (
The Atlantic, • 2022).

 • "
Museums in England and Wales to Gain Powers to Dispose of Objects on Moral Grounds • ," by Dalya Alberge (
The Guardian, • 2022).

 The Brutish Museums: The Benin Bronzes, Colonial Violence and Cultural Restitution • , by Dan Hicks (2020).

 • "
The Restitution of African Cultural Heritage. Toward a New Relational Ethics • ," by Bénédicte Savoy and Felwine Sarr (2018).

 

 

 EXTRAS: • 

 • "
Can a Museum Be the Conscience of a Nation? • ," by 
Freakonomics Radio • (2025).

 • "
The Hidden Side of the Art Market • ," by 
Freakonomics Radio • (2021).

 

 
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Is a Museum Just a Trophy Case? (Update)

When he joined the Del Fuegos, his big brother’s band, all Warren knew how to play was a record player. Things went great for a while — and then it all fell apart. So how did he wind up writing definitive books on Springsteen and Tom Petty? 

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Meet Warren Zanes, the Author and Rocker Behind the Springsteen Movie | Better in Person

How did a freshly looted Egyptian antiquity end up in the Metropolitan Museum of Art? Why did it take Kim Kardashian to crack the case? And how much of what you see in any museum is stolen? (Part 1 of “Stealing Art Is Easy. Giving It Back Is Hard,” first published in 2023.)

 

 SOURCES: • 

 Andrea Bayer • , deputy director of collections and administration at the Metropolitan Museum of Art.

 Matthew Bogdanos • , assistant district attorney in the Manhattan District Attorney's Office and chief of the Antiquities Trafficking Unit.

 Patty Gerstenblith • , professor emeritus of law at DePaul University College of Law.

 Jim Marrone • , staff data scientist at StubHub.

 Victoria Reed • , Bettina Burr chair for provenance at the Museum of Fine Arts in Boston.

 

 

 RESOURCES: • 

 • "
Is the Metropolitan Museum of Art Displaying Objects That Belong to Native American Tribes? • " by Kathleen Sharp (
ProPublica, • 2023).

 • "
More Than 1,000 Artifacts in Metropolitan Museum of Art Catalog Linked to Alleged Looting and Trafficking Figures • ," by Spencer Woodman, Malia Politzer, Delphine Reuter, and Namrata Sharma (
International Consortium of Investigative Journalists, • 2023).

 • "
The Art Market 2022: An Art Basel & UBS Report • ," by Clare McAndrew (2022).

 • "
The Tomb Raiders of the Upper East Side • ," by Ariel Sabar (
The Atlantic, • 2021).

 • "
Kim Kardashian’s Met Gala Photo Helped Solve Looted Gold Egyptian Coffin Case • ," by Samantha Ibrahim (
New York Post, • 2021).

 • "
Tracking and Disrupting the Illicit Antiquities Trade With Open-Source Data • ," by Matthew Sargent, James V. Marrone, Alexandra Evans, Bilyana Lilly, Erik Nemeth, and Stephen Dalzell (RAND Corporation, 2020).

 • "
Provenience and Provenance Intersecting with International Law in the Market for Antiquities • ," by Patty G. Gerstenblith (
North Carolina Journal of International Law, • 2020).

 

 

 EXTRAS: • 

 • "
The Hidden Side of the Art Market • ," series by 
Freakonomics Radio • (2021).

 

 
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The Case of the $4 Million Gold Coffin (Update)

Angela Buchdahl was the first Asian American to be ordained as a rabbi, and now she is among the most influential rabbis in the world. She and Stephen Dubner talk about boundary-crossing, the aftermath of October 7, and whether you can be a good Jew without believing in God. 

 

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What if Being a Stranger Is Actually Your Superpower? | Better in Person

Former S.E.C. chair Gary Gensler has had a front-row seat to numerous financial booms and busts. How does he feel about America’s massive bet on A.I.? “Something has to give.”

 

 SOURCES: • 

 Gary Gensler • , professor of the practice of global economics, management, and finance at M.I.T.

 

 

 RESOURCES: • 

 This Time Is Different: Eight Centuries of Financial Folly, • by Carmen Reinhart and Kenneth Rogoff (2011).

 

 
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684. He Helped Clean Up the Last Crash. Does He See Another One Coming?

Harlan Coben doesn’t think so. The mega-best-selling author talks suburbia, impostor syndrome, and what he learned from his college friend David Foster Wallace.

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Does it Take a Twisted Mind to Write Twisted Stories? | Better In Person

Governments started the space age. Now, billionaires and private firms are reinventing it. Guest host Steve Levitt explores what the past can teach us about a high-stakes future. (Part two of a two-part series.)

 

 SOURCES: • 

 Blaise Agüera y Arcas • , vice president and fellow at Google, C.T.O. of technology and society.

 Rosanna Hoffman • , head of space law, policy, and sustainability at the United Nations Office for Outer Space Affairs.

 Alex Macdonald • , former first chief economist at NASA, senior associate at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

 Will Marshall • , co-founder and C.E.O. of Planet Labs.

 

 

 RESOURCES: • 

 • "
The mission to create a searchable database of Earth's surface • ," by Will Marshall 
(TED, • 2018).

 The Long Space Age, • by Alex Macdonald (2017).

 Planet Labs A.I. 
 

 

 EXTRAS: • 

 • "
Should A.I. Move to Space? • ," series by 
Freakonomics Radio • (2026).

 

 
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683. In the New Space Race, Who Makes the Rules?

Gary and Stephen talk about creativity, recovery, getting fired, and holding grudges. They also get outside and play basketball, which is a big part of how Gary stays well.

 

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How Gary Gulman Turned Depression Into Comedy Gold | Better in Person

At first it sounds ridiculous. But it might be inevitable. Guest host Steve Levitt talks to a team that hopes to push A.I. infrastructure off the planet. Part one of a two-part series.)

 

 SOURCES: • 

 Blaise Agüera y Arcas • , vice president and fellow at Google, C.T.O. of technology and society.

 Travis Beals • , senior director of product management at Google, Project Suncatcher lead.

 Will Marshall • , co-founder and C.E.O. of Planet Labs.

 

 

 RESOURCES: • 

 What Is Intelligence?, • by Blaise Agüera y Arcas (2025).

 • "
Towards a future space-based, highly scalable AI infrastructure system design • ," by Blaise Agüera y Arcas, Travis Beals, Maria Biggs, Jessica V. Bloom, Thomas Fischbacher, Konstantin Gromov, Urs Köster, Rishiraj Pravahan, and James Manyika 
(Google, • 2025).

 Reason, • by Isaac Asimov (1941).

 

 

 EXTRAS: • 

 • "
Are Our Tools Becoming Part of Us? • ," by 
People I (Mostly) Admire • (2024).

 

 
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683. In the New Space Race, Who Makes the Rules?

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