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Freakonomics Radio + Stitcher

Freakonomics co-author Stephen J. Dubner uncovers the hidden side of everything. Why is it safer to fly in an airplane than drive a car? How do we decide whom to marry? Why is the media so full of bad news? Also: things you never knew you wanted to know about wolves, bananas, pollution, search engines, and the quirks of human behavior.

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Freakonomics Radio

At first it sounds ridiculous. But it might be inevitable. Guest host Steve Levitt talks to a team that hopes to push A.I. infrastructure off the planet. Part one of a two-part series.)

 

 SOURCES: • 

 Blaise Agüera y Arcas • , vice president and fellow at Google, C.T.O. of technology and society.

 Travis Beals • , senior director of product management at Google, Project Suncatcher lead.

 Will Marshall • , co-founder and C.E.O. of Planet Labs.

 

 

 RESOURCES: • 

 What Is Intelligence?, • by Blaise Agüera y Arcas (2025).

 • "
Towards a future space-based, highly scalable AI infrastructure system design • ," by Blaise Agüera y Arcas, Travis Beals, Maria Biggs, Jessica V. Bloom, Thomas Fischbacher, Konstantin Gromov, Urs Köster, Rishiraj Pravahan, and James Manyika 
(Google, • 2025).

 Reason, • by Isaac Asimov (1941).

 

 

 EXTRAS: • 

 • "
Are Our Tools Becoming Part of Us? • ," by 
People I (Mostly) Admire • (2024).

 

 
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682. Should A.I. Move to Space?

Hillary Sterling was a Brooklyn kid raised on cream cheese sandwiches and canned potatoes. So how did she become one of New York City's best chefs? The Ci Siamo executive chef explains on the second episode of Better in Person.

 
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Why Cooking is Caregiving, with Chef Hillary Sterling | Better in Person

Like tens of millions of people, Stephen Dubner thought he had a penicillin allergy. Like the vast majority, he didn’t. This misdiagnosis costs billions of dollars and causes serious health problems, so why hasn’t it been fixed? We find out in this update of a 2025 episode.

 

 SOURCES: • 

 Kimberly Blumenthal • , allergist-immunologist and researcher at the Mayo Clinic.

 Theresa MacPhail • , associate professor of science and technology studies at Stevens Institute of Technology.

 Thomas Platts-Mills • , professor of medicine at the University of Virginia.

 Elena Resnick • , allergist and immunologist at Mount Sinai Hospital.

 

 

 RESOURCES: • 

 Allergic: Our Irritated Bodies in a Changing World, • by Theresa MacPhail (2023).

 • "
Evaluation and Management of Penicillin Allergy: A Review • ," by Erica S. Shenoy, Eric Macy, and Theresa Rowe (
JAMA, • 2019).

 • "
The Allergy Epidemics: 1870–2010 • ," by Thomas Platts-Mills (
The Journal of Allergy and Clinical Immunology, • 2016).

 • "
Randomized Trial of Peanut Consumption in Infants at Risk for Peanut Allergy • ," by George Du Toit, Graham Roberts, et al. (
The New England Journal of Medicine, • 2015).

 

 

 EXTRAS: • 

 • "
The Freakonomics Radio Guide to Getting Better • ," series by 
Freakonomics Radio • (2026).

 • "
Doctors Know They Prescribe Too Many Antibiotics. Why Don’t They Stop? • " by 
Freakonomics, M.D. • (2022).

 

 
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Are You Really Allergic to Penicillin? (Update)

Is the oxymoron really “the secret sauce to everything”? That’s the case Ingels makes in this debut episode of our new video show Better in Person, filmed in Stephen Dubner’s living room.

 

If you'd like to see the video version of Better in Person, watch it on YouTube or Apple Podcasts.

 
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How a Great Architect Thinks, with Bjarke Ingels | Better in Person

Stephen Dubner had an idea for a new project. So he drove to Connecticut and knocked on the door of the master. Dubner’s new TV talk show Better in Person launches July 14 on the Freakonomics YouTube channel.

 

 SOURCES: • 

 Dick Cavett • , writer, former talk show host.

 

 

 RESOURCES: • 

 Eye on Cavett, • by Dick Cavett and Christopher Porterfield (1983).

 Cavett, • by Dick Cavett and Christopher Porterfield (1974).

 "The Dick Cavett Show" YouTube Channel • .

 "Better in Person" Trailer • .

 

 
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681. How to Host a Talk Show, with Dick Cavett

Dartmouth president Sian Beilock, a psychologist by training, made her name studying why people choke. Now she’s applying those insights to one of the most scrutinized jobs in America. No pressure!

 

 SOURCES: • 

 Sian Beilock • , president of Dartmouth College.

 

 

 RESOURCES: • 

 • "
Growing share of Americans say the U.S. higher education system is headed in the wrong direction • ," by Kim Parker 
(Pew Research Center, • 2025).

 • "
Standardized Test Scores and Academic Performance at Ivy-Plus Colleges, • " by John N. Friedman, Bruce Sacerdote, Douglas O. Staiger, and Michele Tine 
(NBER, • 2025).

 • "
Americans’ Trust in One Another • ," by Laura Silver, Scott Keeter, Stephanie Kramer, Jordan Lippert, Sofia Hernandez Ramones, Alan Cooperman, Chris Baronavski, and Bill Webster 
(Pew Research Center, • 2025).

 Choke: What the Secrets of the Brain Reveal About Getting It Right When You Have To, • by Sian Beilock (2011)

 

 

 EXTRAS: • 

 • "
Why Does Vanderbilt Keep Winning? • " by 
Freakonomics Radio • (2026).

 • "'
A Low Moment in Higher Education • ,'" by 
Freakonomics Radio • (2024).

 • "'
If We’re All in It for Ourselves, Who Are We?' • " by 
Freakonomics Radio • (2024).

 • "
Why We Choke Under Pressure (and How Not To) • ," by 
Freakonomics Radio • (2018).

 

 
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680. Can Universities Win Back Our Trust?

It’s a hard time to run a university: public trust is low, political pressure is high, and finances are fragile. But Daniel Diermeier, who trained as a political scientist, has Vanderbilt humming. How? He says the key is choosing magnets over wedges.

 

 SOURCES: • 

 Daniel Diermeier • , chancellor of Vanderbilt University.

 

 

 RESOURCES: • 

 • "
Higher Ed’s New Crisis Managers • ," by Lee Gardner 
(The Chronicle of Higher Education, • 2026).

 • "
Professors Need to Diversify What They Teach • ," by Jon Shields, Yuval Avnur, and Stephanie Muravchik 
(Persuasion, • 2025).

 • "
A Call for Constructive Engagement • ," 
(American Association of Colleges and Universities, • 2025).

 • "
2020 Statement on Anthropology and Human Rights • ," 
(American Anthropological Association, • 2020).

 The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness, • by Michelle Alexander (2010).

 • "
Kalven Committee: Report on the University’s Role in Political and Social Action • ," 
(The University of Chicago, • 1967).

 

 

 EXTRAS: • 

 Sign up here • to pre-screen our new video show.

 • "'
A Low Moment in Higher Education • ,'" by 
Freakonomics Radio • (2024).

 • "'
If We’re All in It for Ourselves, Who Are We?' • " by 
Freakonomics Radio • (2024).

 • "
Do Boycotts Work? • " by 
Freakonomics Radio • (2016).

 

 
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679. Why Does Vanderbilt Keep Winning?

Insurance forms that make no sense. Subscriptions that can’t be cancelled. A never-ending blizzard of automated notifications. In this update of a 2025 episode, Stephen Dubner discovers where all this sludge comes from — and how much it’s costing us.

 

 SOURCES: • 

 Benjamin Handel, • professor of economics at UC Berkeley.

 Neale Mahoney, • professor of economics at Stanford University.

 Richard Thaler, • professor of economics at The University of Chicago.

 

 

 RESOURCES: • 

 • "
Selling Subscriptions, • " by Liran Einav, Ben Klopack, and Neale Mahoney 
(Stanford University, • 2023).

 • "
The ‘Enshittification’ of TikTok, • " by Cory Doctorow 
(WIRED, • 2023).

 • "
Dominated Options in Health Insurance Plans, • " by Chenyuan Liu and Justin Sydnor 
(American Economic Journal: Economic Policy, • 2022).

 Nudge: The Final Edition, • by Richard Thaler and Cass Sunstein (2021).

 • "
Frictions or Mental Gaps: What’s Behind the Information We (Don’t) Use and When Do We Care? • " by Benjamin Handel and Joshua Schwartzstein 
(Journal of Economic Perspectives, • 2018).

 • "
Adverse Selection and Switching Costs in Health Insurance Markets: When Nudging Hurts, • " by Benjamin Handel 
(National Bureau of Economic Research, • 2011).

 

 

 EXTRAS: • 

 • "
Sludge • ," series by 
Freakonomics Radio • (2025).

 • "
People Aren’t Dumb. The World Is Hard. (Update) • " by 
Freakonomics Radio • (2024).

 • "
All You Need is Nudge, • " by 
Freakonomics Radio • (2021).

 • "
How to Fix the Hot Mess of U.S. Healthcare, • " by 
Freakonomics Radio • (2021).

 • "
Should We Really Behave Like Economists Say We Do? • " by 
Freakonomics Radio • (2015).

 

 
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The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

New York is the latest state to legalize medical aid in dying. Stephen Dubner speaks with the governor who signed the law, a Nobel Prize-winning economist, a death doula — and an ethicist who thinks the very idea is wrong.

 

 SOURCES: • 

 Kathy Hochul • , governor of New York.

 Suzanne O'Brien • , death doula, founder of Doulagivers Institute.

 Al Roth • , economist at Stanford University.

 Daniel Sulmasy • , physician, philosopher, director of the Kennedy Institute of Ethics at Georgetown University.

 

 

 RESOURCES: • 

 Moral Economics: From Prostitution to Organ Sales, What Controversial Transactions Reveal About How Markets Work, • by Al Roth (2026).

 • "
New York Moves to Allow Terminally Ill People to Die on Their Own Terms • ," by Grace Ashford 
(New York Times, • 2025).

 The Good Death: A Guide for Supporting Your Loved One through the End of Life, • by Suzanne O'Brien (2025).

 The Future of Assisted Suicide and Euthanasia, • by Neil Gorsuch (2009).

 

 

 EXTRAS: • 

 • "
Make Me a Match (Update) • ," by 
Freakonomics Radio • (2023).

 Sign up here • to pre-screen our new video show.

 

 
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678. Who Gets to Choose a “Good Death”?

It brings strangers together. It teaches probability, strategy, and emotional control. It has even helped N.F.L. teams win the Super Bowl. Stephen Dubner explores why this ancient game is having a renaissance. (Part two of a series, “We Are All Gamers Now.”)

 

 SOURCES: • 

 Remington Davenport • , founder of NYC Backgammon Club.

 Frank Frigo • , game strategy expert & two-time world backgammon champion.

 Masayuki "Mochy" Mochizuki • , professional backgammon player.

 Marc Olsen • , C.E.O. of Backgammon Galaxy.

 Robert Wachtel • , author and professional backgammon player.

 

 

 RESOURCES: • 

 The Backgammon Chronicles: A Pro's Adventures on Tour Volume 1, • by Robert Wachtel (2019).

 In the Game Until the End, by Robert Wachtel ( • 1993)

 • "
Tric Trac, Clic Clac • ," (
The New Yorker, • 1930).

 

 
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677. Can Backgammon Save Us from Ourselves?

Having already amassed an eventful resume -- the Clinton White House, the Department of Justice, and Bertelsmann -- Joel I. Klein spent the past eight years at chancellor of the biggest school system in the country. So what'd he learn?

 
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