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Freakonomics Radio + Stitcher

Freakonomics co-author Stephen J. Dubner uncovers the hidden side of everything. Why is it safer to fly in an airplane than drive a car? How do we decide whom to marry? Why is the media so full of bad news? Also: things you never knew you wanted to know about wolves, bananas, pollution, search engines, and the quirks of human behavior.

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Is the oxymoron really “the secret sauce to everything”? That’s the case Ingels makes in this debut episode of our new video show Better in Person, filmed in Stephen Dubner’s living room.

 

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How a Great Architect Thinks, with Bjarke Ingels | Better in Person

Stephen Dubner had an idea for a new project. So he drove to Connecticut and knocked on the door of the master. Dubner’s new TV talk show Better in Person launches July 14 on the Freakonomics YouTube channel.

 

 SOURCES: • 

 Dick Cavett • , writer, former talk show host.

 

 

 RESOURCES: • 

 Eye on Cavett, • by Dick Cavett and Christopher Porterfield (1983).

 Cavett, • by Dick Cavett and Christopher Porterfield (1974).

 "The Dick Cavett Show" YouTube Channel • .

 "Better in Person" Trailer • .

 

 
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681. How to Host a Talk Show, with Dick Cavett

Dartmouth president Sian Beilock, a psychologist by training, made her name studying why people choke. Now she’s applying those insights to one of the most scrutinized jobs in America. No pressure!

 

 SOURCES: • 

 Sian Beilock • , president of Dartmouth College.

 

 

 RESOURCES: • 

 • "
Growing share of Americans say the U.S. higher education system is headed in the wrong direction • ," by Kim Parker 
(Pew Research Center, • 2025).

 • "
Standardized Test Scores and Academic Performance at Ivy-Plus Colleges, • " by John N. Friedman, Bruce Sacerdote, Douglas O. Staiger, and Michele Tine 
(NBER, • 2025).

 • "
Americans’ Trust in One Another • ," by Laura Silver, Scott Keeter, Stephanie Kramer, Jordan Lippert, Sofia Hernandez Ramones, Alan Cooperman, Chris Baronavski, and Bill Webster 
(Pew Research Center, • 2025).

 Choke: What the Secrets of the Brain Reveal About Getting It Right When You Have To, • by Sian Beilock (2011)

 

 

 EXTRAS: • 

 • "
Why Does Vanderbilt Keep Winning? • " by 
Freakonomics Radio • (2026).

 • "'
A Low Moment in Higher Education • ,'" by 
Freakonomics Radio • (2024).

 • "'
If We’re All in It for Ourselves, Who Are We?' • " by 
Freakonomics Radio • (2024).

 • "
Why We Choke Under Pressure (and How Not To) • ," by 
Freakonomics Radio • (2018).

 

 
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680. Can Universities Win Back Our Trust?

It’s a hard time to run a university: public trust is low, political pressure is high, and finances are fragile. But Daniel Diermeier, who trained as a political scientist, has Vanderbilt humming. How? He says the key is choosing magnets over wedges.

 

 SOURCES: • 

 Daniel Diermeier • , chancellor of Vanderbilt University.

 

 

 RESOURCES: • 

 • "
Higher Ed’s New Crisis Managers • ," by Lee Gardner 
(The Chronicle of Higher Education, • 2026).

 • "
Professors Need to Diversify What They Teach • ," by Jon Shields, Yuval Avnur, and Stephanie Muravchik 
(Persuasion, • 2025).

 • "
A Call for Constructive Engagement • ," 
(American Association of Colleges and Universities, • 2025).

 • "
2020 Statement on Anthropology and Human Rights • ," 
(American Anthropological Association, • 2020).

 The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness, • by Michelle Alexander (2010).

 • "
Kalven Committee: Report on the University’s Role in Political and Social Action • ," 
(The University of Chicago, • 1967).

 

 

 EXTRAS: • 

 Sign up here • to pre-screen our new video show.

 • "'
A Low Moment in Higher Education • ,'" by 
Freakonomics Radio • (2024).

 • "'
If We’re All in It for Ourselves, Who Are We?' • " by 
Freakonomics Radio • (2024).

 • "
Do Boycotts Work? • " by 
Freakonomics Radio • (2016).

 

 
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679. Why Does Vanderbilt Keep Winning?

Insurance forms that make no sense. Subscriptions that can’t be cancelled. A never-ending blizzard of automated notifications. In this update of a 2025 episode, Stephen Dubner discovers where all this sludge comes from — and how much it’s costing us.

 

 SOURCES: • 

 Benjamin Handel, • professor of economics at UC Berkeley.

 Neale Mahoney, • professor of economics at Stanford University.

 Richard Thaler, • professor of economics at The University of Chicago.

 

 

 RESOURCES: • 

 • "
Selling Subscriptions, • " by Liran Einav, Ben Klopack, and Neale Mahoney 
(Stanford University, • 2023).

 • "
The ‘Enshittification’ of TikTok, • " by Cory Doctorow 
(WIRED, • 2023).

 • "
Dominated Options in Health Insurance Plans, • " by Chenyuan Liu and Justin Sydnor 
(American Economic Journal: Economic Policy, • 2022).

 Nudge: The Final Edition, • by Richard Thaler and Cass Sunstein (2021).

 • "
Frictions or Mental Gaps: What’s Behind the Information We (Don’t) Use and When Do We Care? • " by Benjamin Handel and Joshua Schwartzstein 
(Journal of Economic Perspectives, • 2018).

 • "
Adverse Selection and Switching Costs in Health Insurance Markets: When Nudging Hurts, • " by Benjamin Handel 
(National Bureau of Economic Research, • 2011).

 

 

 EXTRAS: • 

 • "
Sludge • ," series by 
Freakonomics Radio • (2025).

 • "
People Aren’t Dumb. The World Is Hard. (Update) • " by 
Freakonomics Radio • (2024).

 • "
All You Need is Nudge, • " by 
Freakonomics Radio • (2021).

 • "
How to Fix the Hot Mess of U.S. Healthcare, • " by 
Freakonomics Radio • (2021).

 • "
Should We Really Behave Like Economists Say We Do? • " by 
Freakonomics Radio • (2015).

 

 
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The World Is (Still) Drowning in Sludge

New York is the latest state to legalize medical aid in dying. Stephen Dubner speaks with the governor who signed the law, a Nobel Prize-winning economist, a death doula — and an ethicist who thinks the very idea is wrong.

 

 SOURCES: • 

 Kathy Hochul • , governor of New York.

 Suzanne O'Brien • , death doula, founder of Doulagivers Institute.

 Al Roth • , economist at Stanford University.

 Daniel Sulmasy • , physician, philosopher, director of the Kennedy Institute of Ethics at Georgetown University.

 

 

 RESOURCES: • 

 Moral Economics: From Prostitution to Organ Sales, What Controversial Transactions Reveal About How Markets Work, • by Al Roth (2026).

 • "
New York Moves to Allow Terminally Ill People to Die on Their Own Terms • ," by Grace Ashford 
(New York Times, • 2025).

 The Good Death: A Guide for Supporting Your Loved One through the End of Life, • by Suzanne O'Brien (2025).

 The Future of Assisted Suicide and Euthanasia, • by Neil Gorsuch (2009).

 

 

 EXTRAS: • 

 • "
Make Me a Match (Update) • ," by 
Freakonomics Radio • (2023).

 Sign up here • to pre-screen our new video show.

 

 
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678. Who Gets to Choose a “Good Death”?

It brings strangers together. It teaches probability, strategy, and emotional control. It has even helped N.F.L. teams win the Super Bowl. Stephen Dubner explores why this ancient game is having a renaissance. (Part two of a series, “We Are All Gamers Now.”)

 

 SOURCES: • 

 Remington Davenport • , founder of NYC Backgammon Club.

 Frank Frigo • , game strategy expert & two-time world backgammon champion.

 Masayuki "Mochy" Mochizuki • , professional backgammon player.

 Marc Olsen • , C.E.O. of Backgammon Galaxy.

 Robert Wachtel • , author and professional backgammon player.

 

 

 RESOURCES: • 

 The Backgammon Chronicles: A Pro's Adventures on Tour Volume 1, • by Robert Wachtel (2019).

 In the Game Until the End, by Robert Wachtel ( • 1993)

 • "
Tric Trac, Clic Clac • ," (
The New Yorker, • 1930).

 

 
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677. Can Backgammon Save Us from Ourselves?

As the Trump administration rolls back environmental regulations, we revisit a 2022 episode that explored the hidden cost of an invisible threat: air pollution.

 

 SOURCES: • 

 Angela Duckworth • , psychologist at the University of Pennsylvania.

 Michael Greenstone • , economist at the University of Chicago, director of the Energy Policy Institute, co-director of the Climate Impact Lab.

 Stephan Heblich • , economist at the University of Toronto.

 Andrea La Nauze • , economist at Deakin University.

 Steve Levitt • , professor emeritus of economics at the University of Chicago.

 Edson Severnini • , economist at Boston College.

 

 

 RESOURCES: • 

 • "
Most Polluted Cities • ," 
(American Lung Association, • 2026).

 • "
Air Pollution and Adult Cognition: Evidence from Brain Training • ," by Andrea La Nauze and Edson Severnini 
(Journal of the Association of Environmental and Resource Economists, • 2025).

 • "
Air Pollution and Student Performance in the U.S. • ," by Michael Gilraine and Angela Zheng (
NBER Working Papers, • 2022).

 • "
Billions of people still breathe unhealthy air: new WHO data • ," 
(World Health Organization, • 2022).

 • "
Evolution of the Clean Air Act • ," by the United States Environmental Protection Agency (2020).

 • "
The Death of U.K. Coal in Five Charts • ," by Hannah Ritchie (
Our World in Data, • 2019).

 • "
The Colour of Pollution • ," (
The Economist, • 2014).

 

 
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This Is Your Brain on Pollution (Update)

Another war in the Middle East. A retreat from the international order. A presidency built on self-dealing and arbitrary power. It’s enough to make you think the U.S. is in a steep decline — but Fareed Zakaria thinks otherwise.

 

 SOURCES: • 

 Fareed Zakaria • , journalist and author.

 

 

 RESOURCES: • 

 • "
Iran is an imperial trap. America walked right in • ." by Fareed Zakaria 
(The Washington Post, • 2026).

 • "‘
Bomb and hope’ is not a strategy • ," by Fareed Zakaria 
(The Washington Post, • 2026).

 Age of Revolutions: Progress and Backlash from 1600 to the Present, • by Fareed Zakaria (2024).

 The Accidental Superpower: The Next Generation of American Preeminence and the Coming Global Disorder, • by Peter Zeihan (2014).

 The Affluent Society, • by Jonathan Galbraith (1958).

 

 

 EXTRAS: • 

 • "
Fareed Zakaria on What Just Happened, and What Comes Next • ," by 
Freakonomics Radio • (2024).

 • "
Are We Living Through the Most Revolutionary Period in History? • " by 
Freakonomics Radio • (2024).

 • "
The Folly of Prediction • ," by 
Freakonomics Radio • (2011).

 

 
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676. Has America Lost the Plot?

In his final years, Richard Feynman's curiosity took him to some surprising places. We hear from his companions on the trips he took — and one he wasn’t able to. (Part three of a three-part series originally published in 2024.) 

 

 SOURCES: • 

 Alan Alda • , actor and screenwriter.

 • Barbara Berg, friend of Richard Feynman.

 Helen Czerski • , physicist and oceanographer at University College London.

 Michelle Feynman • , photographer and daughter of Richard Feynman.

 • Cheryl Haley, friend of Richard Feynman.

 • Debby Harlow, friend of Richard Feynman.

 Ralph Leighton • , biographer and film producer.

 Charles Mann • , science journalist and author.

 John Preskill • , professor of theoretical physics at the California Institute of Technology.

 Lisa Randall • , professor of theoretical particle physics and cosmology at Harvard University.

 Christopher Sykes • , documentary filmmaker.

 Stephen Wolfram • , founder and C.E.O. of Wolfram Research; creator of Mathematica, Wolfram|Alpha, and the Wolfram Language.

 

 

 RESOURCES: • 

 I Love My Wife..., • directed by Ian Tierney (2020).

 Quantum Man: Richard Feynman's Life in Science, • by Lawrence M. Krauss (2011).

 Perfectly Reasonable Deviations From the Beaten Track: Selected Letters of Richard P. Feynman, • edited by Michelle Feynman (2005).

 The Pleasure of Finding Things Out, • by Richard Feynman (1999).

 The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark • , by Carl Sagan and Ann Druyan (1995).

 Genius: The Life and Science of Richard Feynman, • by James Gleick (1992).

 The Quest for Tannu Tuva • , by Christopher Sykes (1988)

 “What Do You Care What Other People Think?” • by Richard Feynman and Ralph Leighton (1988).

 The Second Creation: Makers of the Revolution in Twentieth-century Physics, • by Robert Crease and Charles Mann (1986).

 Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman!, • by Richard Feynman and Ralph Leighton (1985).

 Fun to Imagine • , BBC docuseries (1983).

 

 

 EXTRAS: • 

 • “
The Curious, Brilliant, Vanishing Mr. Feynman • ,” series by 
Freakonomics Radio • (2024).

 

 
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The Vanishing Mr. Feynman (Update)

In many states, it is perfectly legal to not hire someone who smokes. Should employers also be able to weed out junk-food lovers or motorcyclists -- or anyone who wants to have a baby?

 
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