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The Last Podcast Network

Fraudsters is a true-crime comedy docuseries. Comedians Seena Ghaznavi, JD, Justin Williams, PhD, and Ariel Leaty bring you the scams you love from the fraudsters we hate. Our show merges the chat-cast and the deep-dive to take a humorous look at fraudsters that abuse trust, distort reality, and take advantage of vulnerable people financially. 

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Fraudsters

What, you thought we were done talking about The War on Drugs?! Well, think again! We’re back with a special epilogue and we're diving into Operation Pipe Dreams, the infamous federal investigation that led to the arrest of Tommy Chong. Join us as we explore how this operation led by John Ashcroft and Mary Beth Buchanon targeted businesses selling drug paraphernalia across the country. We sit down with journalist Brian Conway for an in-depth look at the operation's impact, and Tommy Chong himself alongside his son, Paris, who share their experience getting busted and reflect on the evolving war on drugs. It's a wild ride through one of the most notable moments in the history of drug enforcement.

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Sources:

https://www.laweekly.com/chong-family-values/

https://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/pr/2003/February/03_crm_106.htm

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/operation-pipe-dream-10-y_b_2745740

https://collider.com/the-wolf-of-wall-street-jordan-belfort-tommy-chong/

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/real-wolf-wall-street-lived-190304316.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALUINWjWcu9pmFFwl1XO5zewBMO7I0sXu_qS8YEWYEixh5aJ4UDIIqFJdR06DFb2gbD5B6i09_gPwroh-Z6gvveQYz2JQMzRKxBYKyTtQKjnya-3ud1iCd6YPnkTIzjIKrkT8MC94tyWOl1vH0xVd2-vAjm1HMR1xk70YEw7Mmh2&guccounter=2

https://www.legistorm.com/stormfeed/view_rss/385742/organization/95775/title/operations-pipe-dreams-and-headhunter-put-illegal-drug-paraphernalia-sellers-out-of-business.html

https://www.c-span.org/program/news-conference/anti-drug-initiatives/123135

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihDXmNzc9JA&t=40s

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Operation Pipe Dreams and the Take Down of Tommy Chong

In the final episode of our series on the war on drugs, we take a look at the present and future of this crisis with some help from Montel Williams and Dr. Sheila Vakharia. Yasmin Cader (ACLU) and Kris Henning (Georgetown Law) return for a roundtable discussion to offer their insight on the current state of the war on drugs and offer a hopeful outlook. From policy failures to glimmers of reform, we wonder, where do we go from here?

Stay tuned for bonus content with full interviews!

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Check out The Harm Reduction Gap by Dr. Sheila Vakharia and Let’s Be Blunt with Montel Williams 

 

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Where Are We Now?

Welcome to the land of bonus episodes, where we release long-form interviews with a variety of guests about the war on drugs that we recorded in the summer of 2024. Here is our interview with Montel Williams. Now the host of Let’s Be Blunt, the number one rated Cannabis podcast in 2023, Montel Williams was a Marine and Navy officer where he undertook rescue missions and earned multiple medals of distinction. He then transitioned into the world of television where he became a household name with The Montel Williams Show, winning an Emmy in 1996 for Outstanding Talk Show Host. As you’ll hear in this interview, his show often tackled tough, controversial subjects, including the war on drugs and CIA involvement. We’ll hear about his transition from military service to talk show host, how his MS diagnosis led him to become an advocate of cannabis, and how the US used racism to perpetuate the war on drugs.

 

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Check out Let’s Be Blunt with Montel Williams: www.letsbebluntmontel.com

 

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'The Boogeyman' with Montel Williams

This week, we’re talking all things drug policy, harm reduction, and the lingering effects of the War on Drugs with our special guest, Dr. Sheila Vakharia. Dr. Vakharia is the Deputy Director of Research and Academic Engagement at the Drug Policy Alliance, which is a fantastic organization that addresses the harms of drug use and drug criminalization through policy solutions, organizing, and public education. Dr. Vakharia is also a harm reductionist, social worker, and author of “The Harm Reduction Gap”. Listen as Dr. Vakharia shares stories from her book and personal experiences, including working at a Syringe Service Program and the challenges of advocating for harm reduction in a system designed to perpetuate stigma. And we take a look at what’s next: progressive decriminalization efforts, lessons from Oregon’s missteps, and how the average person can make a difference.

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Check out The Harm Reduction Gap by Dr. Sheila Vakharia: https://www.routledge.com/The-Harm-Reduction-Gap-Helping-Individuals-Left-Behind-by-Conventional/Vakharia/p/book/9781032294735

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‘The Harm Reduction Gap’ with Dr. Sheila Vakharia

In this week’s bonus interview, we sit down with Yasmin Cader, Deputy Director of the ACLU and Director of the Trone Center for Justice and Equality, to explore the lasting impact of the War on Drugs on the U.S. criminal justice system. Yasmin shares what led her to become a public defender and her experiences practicing in D.C., NYC, and L.A. at the height of mass incarceration. We dive into the role of punitive drug laws, racial disparities in enforcement, police militarization, and the myths surrounding mass incarceration. Finally, we discuss the critical work being done to challenge the prison industrial complex and explore real solutions for drug policy reform.

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Policing, Prisons, and Policy with the ACLU’s Yasmin Cader

Blume Professor of Law and Director of the Juvenile Justice Clinic and Initiative at Georgetown Law, Kris Henning, sat down with us over Zoom in the summer of 2024 to talk about the War on Drugs. She spoke about what led to her writing her book, “The Rage of Innocence: How America Criminalizes Black Youth,” how drug policies have affected kids in juvenile court and detention centers, the importance of language, and the role dehumanization plays in the War on Drugs.

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Check out ‘The Rage of Innocence: How America Criminalizes Black Youth’ by Kris Henning here: https://www.amazon.com/Rage-Innocence-America-Criminalizes-Black/dp/1524748900

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The Criminalization of Black Youth, Mass Incarceration, and Undoing the Damage with Kris Henning

This week’s bonus episode is an interview with Marsha Levick, the co-founder and Chief Legal Officer of the Juvenile Law Center. We dive into the infamous Kids for Cash scandal—how it was exposed, the fight for justice, and the larger patterns of corruption that allow people to profit from locking up kids. We also explore the devastating impact of the War on Drugs on juvenile incarceration, the dehumanization of youth in the system, and how policing and policy have evolved from Reagan to today. Where have we made progress, and what work still needs to be done?

 

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Diving Deep into the Kids for Cash Scandal with Marsha Levick

For our very last bonus episode of Season 5, we have an interview with Tommy and Paris Chong. And for the kids listening to the show, Tommy Chong is a Canadian-American comedian, actor, and activist, mostly known for his weed humor with comedian Cheech Marin and their classic stoner movies like Up in Smoke and Nice Dreams. In this interview, you’ll hear how Tommy got into comedy, what it was like for Paris to grow up as Tommy Chong’s son, and how they got into the business of selling bongs together, which of course led to Tommy’s arrest in 2003, as part of Operation Pipe Dreams. It’s a wild one, man!

 

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Stoned as Can Be with Tommy and Paris Chong

We're kicking off this podcast with a billion-dollar scam that only old-school kids will recall! Miss Cleo and the Psychic Readers Network’s case is so full of questions and hilarious highlights that we decided to cover it for our pilot episode. Are big-time fraudsters sociopaths or psychopaths? Did Miss Cleo take off her false identity veil at some point? We explain how her phone scams worked and why her Jamaican accent and identity were totally fake. We also take a look at Miss Cleo’s last interview on The Gabby Bendel Show and why she couldn’t use her classic alias anymore.

TIMESTAMPS

(0:47) - An epic introduction to the show: Is fraud essentially a human problem? Is this podcast going to help at all? 

(4:30) - Get to know our very first featured fraudster! Are you old enough to know who Miss Cleo is? If not, here’s her complete bio.

(9:36) - ‘Keep these people on the line for as long as possible': This is how the Psychic Readers Network scam worked.

(15:03) - Discussing what might be the most insidious thing about this billion dollar hoax and if real psychics really exist.

(23:14) - Where did Miss Cleo's motivations arised? Life before phone scamming, nonprofits and acting.

(30:50) - Psychic readers, assemble! How Miss Cleo joined the Psychic Readers Network in Florida.

(35:54) - On Miss Cleo’s last interview on The Gabby Bendel Show and why she couldn’t use her classic alias anymore.

(38:51) - Going over Miss Cleo’s book Keepin' It Real - A Practical Guide for Spiritual Living, her political comments and fake Jamaican roots. 

(47:50) - How Miss Cleo mastered the art of taking advantage of systematic vulnerabilities to sell stuff.

(52:58) - Taking a look at Comedy Central’s branded content with Miss Cleo for a cosmetic company.

(58:07) - The alternate reality idea that some people can create around them, Miss Cleo’s last attempt to profit and this episode’s conclusions.

RESOURCES

Miss Cleo’s last interview on The Gabby Bendel Show (video)

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The Psychic Readers Network Part I – CLEO 2020

In this second part of the Psychic Readers Network series we go deep into how the Federal Trade Commission addressed these phone frauds with an expert guest who joins the show to detail PRN’s false advertising and abusive marketing practices. We also invited a retired phone actor who wanted to be a phone psychic as a summer job in 2001. He actually wrote an article for the New York Times about it. He shares everything about the wonderful work environment and why it’s almost like being a cheap therapist. Why did people call in? What is behind the power of attraction behind charming characters like Miss Cleo? Listen and find out, we promise we won’t charge you a single penny (for the first three minutes).

TIMESTAMPS

(0:47) - Miss Cleo’s case recap: The right to work in the spirit-psychic world and lie to yourself ad-nauseam.

(8:40) - The FTC’s verdict: PRN abusive marketing techniques and how the State manages expenses and penalties 

(16:03) - What was it like to be a psychic for the PRN? A retired phone psychic’s testimony of how easy it is to get in this world.

(25:04) - A long time before the first call: How a day in the office for a new phone physic looks like. 

(32:44) - Fake voices, made-up personas, the moral consequences of making harm and how to actually make money out of this hoax.

(42:17) - Why did people call in? What is behind the power of attraction behind charming characters like Miss Cleo?

(49:00) - Episode conclusions: Ms. Santa’s Hotline, classic psychic tricks and final Miss Cleo clips on broke callers and legal implications.

RESOURCES

I Was a Hotline Psychic for Miss Cleo (read)

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The Psychic Readers Network Part II - Great Fraud, Bad Psychics, Rich Dudes

Harry Anslinger has now entered the chat. Meet the villainous mind who helped get us to where we are today in this one-sided “war” on drugs. This guy’s got it all: a strong anti-drug stance likely related to childhood trauma, racist tendencies and he’s a failed jazz musician – throw in some intense xenophobia and you’ve got the first commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics! Tune into this episode to hear more about this man’s hobbies, like his obsession with racehorse doping and manipulating the media to spread misinformation.

 

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Sources for this episode:

The Long War on Drugs by Anne Foster

Chasing the Scream by Johann Hari

The Protectors by John Williams

https://www.case.org/system/files/media/file/Penn Stater Harry Anslinger.pdf[

https://journals.psu.edu/pmhb/article/download/44423/44144

https://medium.com/timeline/harry-anslinger-racist-war-on-drugs-prison-industrial-complex-fb5cbc281189

https://www.newspapers.com/image/17583610/

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/237233/first-drug-czar-targeted-illegal-narcotics-in-racing

https://museum.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2021-09/Standing in the Shadows 10152014--Accessible.pdf

https://time.com/5638316/war-on-drugs-opium-history/

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/01/drug-war-the-hunting-of-billie-holiday-114298/

Media Links:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_vo0UEteKU

 

 

Music Credit and Sound Fx:https://twitter.com/gograntgordon

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Harry Anslinger Part I - Meet Our First Villain

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