Today, I’m talking with Baris Cetinok, who is in charge of all the software in the cars that GM makes, which is a lot of cars. And if you’ve been following any of the drama in the world of car software, you know it also means Baris is the guy who has to defend GM’s decision to drop Apple CarPlay and Android Auto from most of its cars, especially EVs.

I’ve had versions of this conversation with the CEOs of car companies before, but Baris is in charge of actually building this stuff. So we really got into the weeds here on what this looks like, the major trade-offs, and why he thinks it’s ultimately the right path for GM.

Links:

GM names new leaders of software organization | The Detroit News

GM is cutting off access to Apple CarPlay & Android Auto for its future EVs | The Verge

Will GM Regret Kicking Apple CarPlay off the Dashboard? | Bloomberg

Rivian CEO: CarPlay isn’t going to happen | Decoder

Volvo CEO thinks dropping CarPlay is a mistake | Decoder

GM Ultifi software platform will roll out in 2023 | The Verge

Android Auto vs. Android Automotive vs. Google Automotive Services | Android Police

GM plans another big Super Cruise hands-free expansion | The Verge

GM will start making money on EVs this year | The Verge

How GM plans to beat Google, Apple at car software | Motor Trend

Transcript: https://www.theverge.com/e/24049622

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