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The Verge

Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.

Decoder with Nilay Patel

This is Alex Heath, deputy editor at The Verge. My guest today is GitHub CEO Thomas Dohmke. In many ways, GitHub Copilot set off the current AI coding boom. But since Thomas was on the show a year ago, the rise of vibe coding has shifted the buzz to newer platforms like Cursor and Windsurf. As you’ll hear in our conversation, Thomas is thinking a lot about the competition, and GitHub’s role in the future of software development. 

Links: 

 Developers, Reinvented | Thomas Dohmke / GitHub

 Developer Odyssey | Thomas Dohmke / GitHub

 Why tech is racing to adopt AI coding, with Cursor’s Michael Truell | Decoder

 GitHub CEO Thomas Dohmke says AI needs competition to thrive | ⁠⁠Decoder⁠⁠

 Up to 30 percent of some Microsoft code is now written by AI | Verge

 GitHub launches its AI app-making tool in preview | Verge

 Microsoft is getting ready for GPT-5 with a new Copilot smart mode | Verge

 Zuckerberg: AI will write most Meta code within 18 months | Engadget

Credits:

Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. This episode was edited by Xander Adams. 

The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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GitHub's CEO says AI coding is ‘here to stay’

This is Casey Newton, founder and editor of the Platformer newsletter and cohost of the Hard Fork podcast. I’ll be guest hosting the next few episodes of Decoder while Nilay is out on parental leave. For the next three weeks, I’ll be talking to leaders in the productivity space about what they’re building, and how they can help us get things done. 

My guest today: Michael Truell, the CEO of Anysphere, the maker of automated programming platform Cursor AI. I sat down with Michael to talk about his product and how it works, why coding with AI has seen such incredible adoption, and what the future of automated programming really looks like. 

Read the full transcript on The Verge.

Links: 

 Anysphere, hailed as fastest growing startup ever, raises $900 Million | Bloomberg

 AI coding assistant Cursor draws a million users without even trying | Bloomberg

 Anthropic rehires AI leaders from Anysphere | The Information

 Cursor apologizes for unclear pricing changes that upset users | TechCrunch

 OpenAI looked at buying Cursor creator before turning to rival Windsurf | CNBC

 Interview with Anysphere CEO Michael Truell about coding with AI | Stratechery

Credits:

Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright. 

The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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Why tech is racing to adopt AI coding

This is Alex Heath, your Thursday episode guest host and deputy editor at The Verge. Today I'm joined by Hayden Field, The Verge’s new senior AI reporter to talk about the AI talent wars and why some researchers are suddenly getting traded like their NBA superstars.

Both Hayden and I have been reporting on this for the past several weeks to get a sense of much these companies are paying for top talent, why Big Tech firms like Google are opting to hire instead of acquire, and what it means that some of the most sought-after AI experts in the world are no longer motivated by money alone. 

Links: 

 OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off — and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google | Verge

 Mark Zuckerberg promises you can trust him with superintelligent AI | Verge

 Meta is trying to win the AI race with money — but not everyone can be bought | Verge

 Meta says it’s winning the talent war with OpenAI | Command Line

 Google gets its swag back | Command Line

 The AI talent wars are just getting started | Command Line

 Meta tried to buy Safe Superintelligence, hired its CEO instead | CNBC

 Apple loses top AI models executive to Meta’s hiring spree | Bloomberg

 Meta’s AI recruiting campaign finds a new target | Wired

 Anthropic hires back two AI leaders from Anysphere | The Information

Credits:

Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright. 

The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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Why AI researchers are getting paid like NBA All-Stars

This is CNBC journalist Jon Fortt. This is the last episode I’ll be guest-hosting for Nilay while he’s out on parental leave. My guest today is Richard Robinson, who is the cofounder and CEO of legal tech startup Robin AI. 

Richard is a corporate lawyer-turned-startup founder working on AI tools for the legal profession. But law and AI have not mixed well. So I wanted to ask Richard about hallucinations, how lawyers can use AI today, and what it will really take to place our trust in an AI lawyer. 

Read the full transcript on The Verge. 

Links: 

 Legal tech startup Robin AI raises another $25 million | Fortune

 Why do lawyers keep using ChatGPT? | Verge

 Judge slams lawyers for ‘bogus AI-generated research’ | Verge

 Lawyers using AI must heed ethics rules, ABA says in first formal guidance | Reuters

 Lawyers fined for submitting bogus case law created by ChatGPT | AP

 The ChatGPT lawyer explains himself | NYT

Credits:

Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright. 

The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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Can we ever trust an AI lawyer?

This is Alex Heath, your Thursday episode guest host. Today I'm talking with Gaurav Misra, the CEO of Captions. You may not have heard of Captions yet, but by now, you’ve probably seen a video that was generated using its AI models. The company’s Mirage Studio platform lets anyone generate AI versions of real people, and the results are alarmingly realistic. 

Captions just put out a blog post titled, “We Build Synthetic Humans. Here’s What’s Keeping Us Up at Night.” It’s a good overview of the state of deepfakes and where they’re headed. So Gauraav and I sat down to discuss the trajectory of deepfake technology and what might be done to prevent it from being misused. 

Links: 

 We build synthetic humans. Here’s what’s keeping us up at night | Captions

 Google’s Veo 3 AI video generator is a slop monger’s dream | Verge

 Gemini AI can now turn photos into videos | Verge 

 Trump just unveiled his plan to put AI in everything | Verge

 Racist videos made with AI are going viral on TikTok | Verge

 Microsoft wants Congress to outlaw AI-generated deepfake fraud | Verge

 YouTube is supporting the ‘No Fakes Act’ targeting unauthorized AI replicas | Verge

 This Tom Cruise impersonator is using deepfake tech to impressive ends | Verge

Credits:

Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright. 

The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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We are not ready for better deepfakes

This is Jon Fortt, CNBC journalist. I’m guest-hosting for a couple more episodes of Decoder this summer while Nilay is out on parental leave. Today, I’m talking with a very special guest: Gil Duran, an old friend, journalist, and author of The Nerd Reich, a newsletter and forthcoming book about the shifting politics of Silicon Valley and the rise of tech authoritarianism. 

Links: 

 Is Peter Thiel the Antichrist? NYT didn’t think to ask | The Nerd Reich

 How tech authoritarianism becomes reality | The Nerd Reich

 Curtis Yarvin’s Plot Against America | The New Yorker

 The rise of techno-authoritarianism | The Atlantic

 JD Vance thinks monarchists have some good ideas | The Verge

 Startups meeting with Trump officials to push for deregulated ‘Freedom Cities’ | Wired

 Peter Thiel-linked startup wants to build the “next great city” in Greenland | Inside Hook

 Bitcoin could replace dollar If US debt grows says Coinbase CEO | CryptoSlate

Credits:

Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright. 

The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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Why tech billionaires want a ‘corporate dictatorship’

This is Alex Heath, deputy editor at The Verge. Nilay’s out on parental leave for the next few months, so I’ll be stepping in to host our Thursday episodes while he’s out. My guest today is Perplexity CEO Aravind Srinivas, who is betting that the browser is where more useful AI will get built. 

Perplexity just released Comet, an AI web browser for the Mac and Windows that’s still in an invite-only beta. I’ve been using it, and it’s very interesting. In this conversation, Aravind and I also discussed the future of Perplexity, the AI talent wars, and why he thinks people will eventually pay thousands of dollars for a single AI prompt. 

Read the full transcript here on The Verge. 

Links: 

 Perplexity just launched an AI web browser | Verge

 Perplexity wants to buy Chrome if Google has to sell it | Verge

 The Dia browser is a big bet on the. web and AI | Verge

 Perplexity’s CEO on fighting Google & the AI browser war | Command Line

 Perplexity launches a $200 monthly subscription plan | Verge

 Meta says it’s winning the talent war with OpenAI | Verge

 Meta is trying to win the AI race with money | Verge

 Meta held talks to buy Perplexity and others | Command Line

 Inside Mark Zuckerberg’s AI hiring spree | Command Line

 Perplexity is ready to take on Google | Command Line

Credits:

Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright. 

The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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Perplexity CEO on why the browser is AI's killer app

This is Jon Fortt, CNBC journalist, co-host of Closing Bell Overtime, and creator and host of the Fortt Knox podcast. I’m stepping in to guest host a few episodes of Decoder this summer while he’s out on parental leave, and I’m very excited for what we’ve been working on. 

For my first episode of Decoder, a show about how people make decisions, I wanted to talk to an expert. So I sat down with Cassie Kozyrkov, the CEO and founder of AI consultancy Kozyr and the former chief decision scientist at Google. Read the full transcript over on The Verge. 

Links: 

 Google’s ‘chief decision scientist’ explains why she left the company | Fortune

 What is Decision Science? | DataCamp (YouTube)

 Is It All About the Data? | DLD24 (YouTube)

 Cassie Kozyrkov on how AI can be a leadership partner | WorkLab

 Decision Intelligence with Cassie Kozyrkov | Google Cloud Platform Podcast

 Why AI and decision-making are two sides of the same coin | Cassie Kozyrkov

 Google's got a chief decision scientist. Here's what she does | Wired

Credits:

Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright. 

The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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How decision making will change when AI answers are cheap and (too) easy

On this episode of Decoder, Ellis Hamburger — former journalist at The Verge, early Snap employee, and founder of the brand strategy studio Meaning — joins guest host Alex Heath to share why many AI founders are missing the bigger picture.

Links: 

 Meaning | Ellis Hamburger

 Social media is doomed to die | Verge

 I used the ‘cheat on everything’ AI tool and it didn’t help me cheat on anything | Verge

 Hideo Kojima sees Death Stranding 2 as a cautionary tale | Verge

 Apple heard your complaints about the Liquid Glass | Verge

Credits:

Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright. 

The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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Inside the AI startup frenzy: ‘Everyone’s pivoting, then pivoting again’

It’s summertime, which means it’s time for our annual grilling episode. In years past we’ve talked to the leaders of Big Green Egg, Traeger, and Blackstone, and it’s always fascinating how those companies have all the same kinds of problems and ideas as any of the tech companies we have on the show. 

This time, I finally had the opportunity to sit down with SharkNinja CEO Mark Barrocas. We’ve wanted to have SharkNinja on the show for years now, mostly because it has the best name of any company I think we’ve ever had on Decoder — it perfectly describes the structure of the company. And just in time for our grilling episode, the Ninja division of Mark’s business just launched its first ever grill. 

Check out the full transcript here on The Verge.

Links: 

 Ninja announces its first ever propane grill with the FlexFlame | Tom’s Guide

 How SharkNinja became a viral marketing machine | Ad Age

 How airfryer brand SharkNinja became a $1bn UK household name | The Sunday Times

 Mark Zuckerberg just declared war on the entire advertising industry | Verge

 Dyson, SharkNinja settle patent lawsuits over bagless vacuums | Bloomberg

 How arson led to a culture reboot at Traeger | Decoder

 Big Green Egg is inviting zoomers to the cult of kamado cooking | Decoder

 How Blackstone became the darling of grill TikTok | Decoder

Credits:

Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright. 

The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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How SharkNinja took over the home

What actually happened at OpenAI in the last three days? Decoder host and Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks with Verge editors Alex Heath and David Pierce to break it down and try to work out what's next.

Further reading:

Sam Altman fired as CEO of OpenAI

OpenAI’s new CEO is Twitch co-founder Emmett Shear

OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

Emmett Shear named new CEO of OpenAI by board

Microsoft hires former OpenAI CEO Sam Altman

Hundreds of OpenAI employees threaten to resign and join Microsoft

Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO

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Credits: 

Decoder is a production of The Verge and is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Today’s episode was produced by Liam James, Kate Cox, and Nick Statt. It was edited by Andru Marino. 
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Chaos at OpenAI: What happened to Sam Altman, and what's next

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