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Nancy Grace dives deep into the day’s most shocking crimes and asks the tough questions in her new daily podcast – Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Nancy Grace had a perfect conviction record during her decade as a prosecutor and used her TV show to find missing people, fugitives on the run and unseen clues. Now, she will use the power of her huge social media following and the immediacy of the internet to deliver daily bombshells!

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Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack discuss the Manson family murders and the real injuries suffered by the victims, as well as beheadings carried out hundreds of years ago in an effort to explain the difference in the type of injuries created by all manner of weapons that can be used to stab, slice, carve, and disembowel. Professor Morgan explains the difference between the facts of a case and how injuries and weapons are shown in film and how difficult it is to determine the source of a sharp force injury. 
 

Transcript Highlights 
00:13.87 Introduction - Sharp Force Injuries
 
01:11.86 Description of a beheading
 
04:56.77 Sharp force injury
 
10:02.83 Executioner refusing to execute
 
14:59.68 Stabbing injuries
 
20:27.08 Studying the margin - edges of injury
 
24:48.30 Always look for the "winking eye"
 
29:58.47 Thorough autopsy - tongue comes out
 
35:03.25 First documented autopsy, Caesar
 
38:58.59 Manson family knife attacks, Sharon Tate
 
45:03.35 Manson Murders shown in movie shows fork bouncing up and down, ridiculous
 
46:2 9.07 Conclusion
 
 

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Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan: From Manson Family Murders to Beheadings - Truth About Sharp Force In

Fury erupts as families confront silent killer Bryan Kohberger in court; he's now caged for life for the brutal quadruple murder in Moscow, Idaho, that left 4 students butchered almost 3 years ago.
 
Five youngsters are rescued from a house of horrors — officials say the kids were starved and caged up to 20 hrs a day! Plus, a killer's conviction is tossed because his buddy caught some Zzzz's. Jennifer Gould reports.

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Monster Caged: Bryan Kohberger Gets Life After Victim's Families Rip Him Apart in Court| Crime Alert 6AM 07.24.2025

Appalling new details of a 25-year-old son's disassembly body is discovered by his own mom. Shad Thyrion, 25, was killed and dismembered in his mother's basement. Authorities allege, Taylor Schabusiness, took advantage of Shad during rough sex and violated his body afterwards during a drug fueled state. 
 
Schabusiness later allegedly brags to police she enjoyed the entire ordeal. She leaves Thyrion’s mutilated head in a bucket for his mother to find and law enforcement later discovered the victim’s dismembered torso, penis and carved-out organs in the basement.
 
Joining Nancy Grace today, 
 
 • Chief Chris Davis - Chief of the Green Bay Police Department since 2021, 30 Years in law enforcement. Served previously in the Portland, Oregon Police Bureau and the Arizona State University Police Department.
 • Derek Smith - Criminal Defense Attorney, website: dwsmithlegal.com
 • Dr. Shari Schwartz - Forensic Psychologist (specializing in Capital Mitigation and Victim Advocacy), 
www.panthermitigation.com • , Twitter: @TrialDoc, Author: "Criminal Behavior" and "Where Law and Psychology Intersect: Issues in Legal Psychology" 
 • Dr. Thomas Coyne - Chief Medical Examiner, District 2 Medical Examiner's Office, State of Florida; Forensic Pathologist, Neuropathologist, Toxicologist; X: @DrTMCoyne; 
 • Dave Mack - Investigative Reporter for 
CrimeOnline.com 
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"CUTTING & SAWING" LOVER DISMEMBERED, MOM FINDS HEAD IN BUCKET

A 7-year-old girl is found locked in a closet, now the search is on for her 9-year-old sister, Ava Marie Gonzales. Austin police respond to a home in Del Valle after receiving a 911 call about a 7-year-old girl is discovered starved and locked inside a bedroom closet. Six other children are also found in the home, but police say it appears they are physically healthy. According to reports, the child was soiled and barricaded in a closet with heavy boxes blocking the door.
 
An arrest affidavit reveals Virginia Marie Gonzales is accused of locking the 7-year-old girl in a closet for “weeks at a time.” The affidavit further states the girl’s grandmother told police that the child had trouble controlling her bladder and often ate things she shouldn’t. This allegedly led to her siblings being instructed to keep her locked in the closet.
 
The 7-year-old was hospitalized and is now recovering. During the investigation, detectives learn about another child, Ava, who has been missing for years. Virginia Marie Gonzales, Ava ‘s mother, was arrested on a charge of serious injury to a child in connection with the 7-year-old’s case. According to police, the missing now 9-year-old child was last seen when she was just 2 years old and in the custody of her mother, Virginia Marie Gonzales. 
 
In court Gonzales says she is willing to do whatever necessary to regain custody of her children. 
 
Joining Nancy Grace today,
 
 • LeAnne Marie, friend of mom, Virginia Gonzales
 • Bronwyn Blake- Adjunct Professor, University of Texas School of Law; Chief Legal Officer, Texas Advocacy Project; Founder: Teen Justice Initiative, advocating for teen victims of dating violence. Website: texasadvocacyproject.org; Facebook and Instagram: @TexasAdvocacyProject
 • Dr. Angela Arnold - Psychiatrist, AngelaArnoldMD.com, Expert in the Treatment of Pregnant/Postpartum Women, Former Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, Obstetrics and Gynecology: Emory University, Former Medical Director of The Psychiatric Ob-Gyn Clinic at Grady Memorial Hospital
 • Daryl Parker - Fmr. Lieutenant in the Fannin County Sheriff's Office / Private Investigator at Blackfish Intelligence; Former Marine, Former Texas police officer; has worked with the Innocence Project of Texas for the last ten years; website: wwww.blackfishintel.com; instagram: @blackfishintel, FB – blackfishintelligence
 • Virginia Bagby - Director of the ChildHelp National Child Abuse Hotline, website: ChildHelp.org; Facebook and Instagram: @ChildHelp
 • Dr Kendall Crowns - Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County (Ft Worth), NEW Podcast "Mayhem in the Morgue" launching soon, Lecturer: Burnett School of Medicine at TCU (Texas Christian University)
 • Christina Aguayo- Investigative Reporter, website: 
www.ChristinaAguayoNews.Com • , Facebook: @ChristinaAguayoNews, Instagram: @Christina.AguayoNews
 
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FRIDAY NIGHT SPECIAL: GIRL, 7, FOUND LOCKED IN CLOSET STARVED, MOM " I WANT TO FIGHT FOR MY KIDS" SPEAKS OUT IN COURT

Ballerina and aspiring model Ashley Benefield stood trial for shooting her then-husband, Doug Benefield, to death. After her self-defense claim failed, a court sentenced her to 20 years in prison.
 
The couple married just 13 days after meeting. They had one child, but their relationship was tumultuous, with frequent arguments reported between Ashley and Doug.
 
Ashley Benefield alleged that Doug was abusive and volatile. As her pregnancy progressed, she moved in with her mother, denying Doug access to information about the baby, including the child's birth.
 
Ashley planned to move out. Doug arrived at Ashley's home with a U-Haul truck to help pack for a move to Maryland. He believed he would move with the family but intended to live in a separate home.
 
Ashley claimed that Doug became angry while loading the truck, "body-checked" her twice, struck her hip with the corner of a box, and caused her head to hit a wall. Fearing for her safety, she ran to her bedroom and retrieved a gun.
 
She alleged that Doug was standing in the doorway and lunged at her. Ashley fired the gun, hitting him twice—once in the leg and once in the chest. The chest wound caused lung damage and severe bleeding. Investigators determined that Doug was not directly facing Ashley at the time of the shooting.
 
JOINING NANCY GRACE TODAY
 
 Brian Foley • – Board-certified Criminal Defense Attorney, Former Chief Prosecutor in Harris County, (Houston) Texas; Author: “What Prosecutors Don’t Tell You”; Instagram @brianfoleylawpllc/ YouTube – @brianfoleylawyer/X: @brianpllc
 Dr. Chloe Carmichael • – Clinical Psychologist, Women’s Health Magazine Advisory Board;’ Author: ‘Nervous Energy: Harness The Power of Your Anxiety;’ X: @DrChloe
 Chris Byers • – Former Police Chief -Johns Creek Georgia, Private Investigator and Polygraph Examiner
 • Joe Scott Morgan – Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author, “Blood Beneath My Feet,” and Host: “
Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan • ;” Twitter/X: @JoScottForensic
 • Sophia Vitello – Reporter WWSB - ABC 7 News Sarasota, Florida Insta - @sophiavitellotv; FB - Sophia Vitello 
 
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"BLACK SWAN" BALLERINA LOSES SELF-DEFENSE BID: SENTENCED 20 YEARS

Breaking crime news as it happens throughout the day! Follow "Crime Alert Hourly Update" now on your favorite podcast app: https://link.chtbl.com/Crime_Alert
 
Here's some of our top stories this week. Search continues for an assassin who murdered the United Heathcare CEO on a NY sidewalk. The search for missing Hannah Kobayashi's take an unusual twist. Manhunt ongoing for a man who murdered and burying his girlfriend. 
 
Stay informed, stay safe, and stay ahead with "Crime Alert Hourly Update.” 

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Manhunt Continues for NYC Assassin | Crime Alert Recap Saturday 12.06.24

Thirty years after Susan Smith drove her car into a lake with her two sons strapped in their car seats, she sought parole. A parole board denied her request, and a suitor later revealed that Smith had dreamed of appearing on “Dancing with the Stars.” She is reportedly “devastated” that her bid for parole failed.
 
After high school, Susan Leigh Vaughan married David Smith. They had two sons, but the marriage faltered despite the children. The couple separated multiple times. During one separation, Susan began dating Tom Findlay, the single son of a wealthy mill owner. Smith imagined a future with Findlay until she received a "Dear John" letter from him, stating he did not want an instant family.
 
On the night of October 25, Susan Smith knocked on the door of a house near John D. Long Lake. Hysterical, she told the man who answered to call the police. She claimed an armed Black man had carjacked her at a red light, with her two boys—3-year-old Michael and 14-month-old Alex—still in the car. For days, Susan repeated increasingly inconsistent versions of the carjacking story.
 
Eventually, Smith confessed. There had been no carjacker. Feeling desperate, alone, and suicidal, she had taken her sons for a drive. At John D. Long Lake, she put the car in neutral, jumped out, and watched as the car sank. Scuba divers later found the vehicle with the boys still strapped in their seats.
 
Since her conviction and incarceration, tabloid reports have alleged that Smith told prison investigators about four sexual encounters with Lieutenant Houston Cagle, a supervisor at South Carolina’s Women’s Correctional Institution. C
 
Cagle admitted to having sex with Smith and another inmate. In August 2000, he was charged with the offenses, pleaded guilty, and served three months in jail. Captain Alfred Rowe also pleaded guilty to having sex with Smith and received five years of probation.
 
Over the years, several men have written to Smith, fueling her hopes for a life beyond prison.
 
In March 2022, People Magazine published excerpts from letters Smith wrote to a long-distance boyfriend. In one letter, she wrote, "I can't wait to build a life with you, leave the past mistakes behind, and start fresh, just you and me."
 
Joining Nancy Grace Today:
 
 Tara Malek • – Boise, ID, Attorney & Co-owner of Smith + Malek; Former State and Federal Prosecutor; Twitter: @smith_malek
 Dr. Bethany Marshall • – Psychoanalyst (Beverly Hills, CA); Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall; Twitter: @DrBethanyLive 
 Chris McDonough • – Director At the Cold Case Foundation, Former Homicide Detective; Host of YouTube channel: “The Interview Room”
 • JoScott Morgan – Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University; Author, “Blood Beneath My Feet;” Host: “
Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan • ;" Twitter: @JoScottForensic 
 • Dave Mack - CrimeOnline Investigative Reporter
 
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Convicted Killer Susan Smith's Dancing With The Stars Dreams Dashed?

In the summer of 1989, a construction crew working in the basement of a building at the Medical College of Georgia in Augusta stumbled across thousands of human bones. The acquisition and disposal of the remains has been kept secret. 
 
It happens again in 1994, a crew discovered an old well containing human remains while constructing a new medical sciences building on the campus of the Medical College of Virginia (MCV) at Virginia Commonwealth University. The well is called the Limb Pit. 
 
It happened one more time at Harvard in 1999. During renovations at Harvard’s Holden Chapel in 1999, a worker operating a mini bulldozer stumbled across human remains when his machine broke through a wall into an old well.
 
Joseph Scott Morgan explains how it's possible to find human bones that have been hacked, cut with a saw, chisel, or knife, and then hidden so the law can't find them.....and it isn't a crime. 
 
 
 
 
 
Transcript Highlight
00:00.01 Introduction 
04:35.58 Resurrection - Grave Robbing 09:40.88 Studying medicine, finding bones
14:08.17 Doctors who have never dissected a body 
19:18.35 Bones used by medical schools
23:17.45 Medical college paying grave robbers
28:16.99 Getting rid of bones without getting caught 32:11.18 Doctors had no opportunity to study the human body
38:59.35 The Limb Pit - Chris Baker MCV
40:17.79 Harvard had name for club that dug up bodies
44:00.58 Mass burial of bones, no names 
47:27.15 Conclusion

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Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan: Bodies in the Medical School Basement

In Harris County, Texas, 22-year-old Antonino Guzman allegedly shoots his uncle, Jose Torres, claiming he felt unloved and unwelcome in his uncle’s home. Torres, 37, raises Guzman for six years, but tension reportedly simmers between them. 

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Crime Alert 6AM 12.09.24| Nephew Shoots Uncle Because He Feels Unloved

A person of interest in custody in Altoona, Pennsylvania, in connection with the fatal shooting of of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson last week. 
 
New York police announced the 26-year-old suspect , Luigi Mangione, is being held in Pennsylvania awaiting extradition to New York. NYPD officer are on their way to Altoona. The suspect was reportedly apprehended at a McDonald's, where an employee believed he resembled the man who shot Thompson and called the police.
 
Police say the man had a gun with a suppressor and fake IDs — including one for New Jersey which reportedly was used at the hostel in New York, and a hand-written manifesto. Reportedly, it outlined complaints about the healthcare industry.
 
Mangione has been arrested on gun charges. 
 
 
 
JOINING NANCY GRACE TODAY:
 
 • Jason Oshins - NY Defense Attorney
 • Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Author: "Deal Breaker,” featured in hit show: "Paris in Love" on Peacock 
www.drbethanymarshall.com/ • , Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, Twitter: @DrBethanyLive
 • Tom Smith - Former NYPD Detective, Co-Host of the GOLD SHIELDS Podcast, 
https://thegoldshieldshow.com • , FB & Instagram: @thegoldshieldshow
 • Sheryl McCullom - Cold Case Investigative Research Institute Founder, ColdCaseCrimes.org, Host of new podcast: Zone 7, Twitter: @ColdCaseTips 
 • Ben Dobrin - Virginia Beach Emergency Medical Services EMS Marine Dive Team and EMS Search and Rescue, Professor of Social Work: Virginia Wesleyan University 
 • Joseph Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author, "Blood Beneath My Feet", Host: "Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan", @JoScottForensic 
 • Lauren Conlin - Podcaster/Reporter/Host- Co-Host of Primetime Crime on YouTube. Website: 
www.popcrime.tv • & primetimecrimeshow.com X- @Conlin_Lauren, Instagram- @LaurenEmilyConlin, YouTube: @PopCrimeTV 
 
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BREAKING: MAN HELD IN HEALTH-BOSS-SHOOTING, SILENCER, FAKE ID’S

Breaking crime news as it happens throughout the day! Follow "Crime Alert Hourly Update" now on your favorite podcast app: https://link.chtbl.com/Crime_Alert
 
Here are some of our top stories this week. Second assassination attempt on President Trump stopped. Cause of death for two Kansas moms revealed. Teen hires hit man to kill her grandparents. 
 
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Second Assassination Attempt on President Trump Thwarted| Crime Alert Recap Saturday 09.21.24

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