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Join Joseph Scott Morgan every week as he explores a world that not many have had a chance to visit, the realm of death. Jo Scott will lead listeners on a journey through the blood soaked death scenes of America and then into the autopsy room to fully understand the science behind each case. Jo Scott is one America’s leading experts on applied forensics and is regularly featured on ‘Crime Stories with Nancy Grace’, ‘The Piketon Massacre’, Court TV and more.

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Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan

The death of Jeffrey Epstein is back in the news and his brother, Mark Epstein, is on record saying he believes his brother was murdered.
 
The death of Jeffrey Epstein has been debated since the minute it was announced to the world. On this episode of Body Bags, Joseph Scott Morgan will share what it was like to be on the air with the news and notice "red flags" as certain parts of the death story didn't seem to be correct.
 
Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack will break down the death of Jeffrey Epstein. Did Jeffrey Epstein commit suicide, or was he murdered? 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Transcript Highlights 
 
00:01:17 Joe hears story about where the meanest men in America live 
 
00:04:47 Joseph Scott Morgan talks about covering Epstein death 
 
00:08:23 Discuss first attack/suicide attempt 
 
00:11:45 Talk about unusual circumstances 
 
00:14:37 Discuss conflicting statements about noose 
 
000:17:15 Talk about Epstein allowed unmonitored phone call 
 
00:18:23 Discuss no cellmate to attack or stop suicide 
 
00:20:33 Talk about two nooses in the cell 
 
00:22:42 Discussion of cell condition and contents 
 
00:25:49 Talk about July 23rd event 
 
00:29:25 Discuss observing body at time of death 
 
00:32:25 Talk about putting hospital gown on Epstein 
 
00:34:03 Mark Epstein told his brother may have been dead 2 hours or more 
 
00:37:40 Talk about Epstein body wheeled into hospital 
 
00:40:34 Discussion of hyoid bone 
 
00:42:05 Discuss facts of the body at time of death 
 
00:44:24 Discuss agreement overturned regarding suicide 
 
00:45:14 Talk about autopsy, who was present 
 
00:47:00 Discuss distribution of force 
 
00:48:16 Mentions that noose wasn't collected for evidence. 

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Murder or Suicide? The Death of Jeffrey Epstein - The Best of Body Bags

Is A Serial Killer Hunting Women in New England? Between March 6, 2025, and April 10, 2025, in an area of the United States known as "New England", the remains of 6 women have been found. This information has caused social media to claim a Serial Killer is on the loose and have named him the "New England Serial Killer". Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack take a look at what we know about the cases so far and discuss what a Serial Killer is from a investigative standpoint as opposed to the thoughts and ideas of armchair detectives and social media influencers. Should women in the Northeast be afraid? Is there really a new serial killer on the loose?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Transcribe Highlights
 
00:02.04 Introduction 
 
01:22.25 Why do some murders get attention?
 
05:22.15 Remains of 6 women recovered over 8 weeks
 
10:00.24 What number makes a person a "Serial Killer"?
 
14:53.23 Weapons used by serial killers
 
20:15.95 BTK Serial Killer - First Killing was of a family
 
25:02.88 Who are the missing women whose remains recovered
 
29:57.23 Could it be an accident?
 
35:29.97 Mental Illness impact on life of victim 
 
39:47.81 Physical description, similarities
 
43:17.07 Conclusion

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N.E.S.K - New England Serial Killer - What We Know So Far

909 people, including 267 children, died by suicide or were murdered by cyanide injection on November 18, 1978, at "The Peoples Temple Agricultural Project", better known by the unofficial name "Jonestown" after the leader of the group, Jim Jones. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack discuss the group, how they ended up in the jungle of Guyana, and how most of the men, women, and children, died. Professor Morgan explains how Dr. William Eckert described the "smell of death" a mile away and 2000 feet in the air in a helicopter as he was arriving at the facility, what took place in identifying the dead, the condition of the bodies that were exposed to the elements, and what it would have been like for the victims who "drank the kool-aid". Oddly enough, the phrase "drink the kool-aid", referring to people blindly following leadership regardless of the truth, isn't correct. The people of Jonestown did not drink "Kool-Aid". They drank a cheap, knock-off version of Kool-Aid called Flavor Aid. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Transcribe Highlights
00:01.72 Introduction - environment
 
01:42.95 Jonestown "Don't Drink the Kool-Aid"
 
05:16.89 Remembering the reporting of Jonestown Suicide
 
09:41.90 Describing bloated bodies 
 
10:34.71 What is left of Jonestown
 
12:18.99 Jim Jones cultivated political relationships
 
16:25.53 Jonestown was very isolated 
 
20:06.23 Flies would be all over the scene
 
25:28.77 Have to determine how people were killed
 
29:54.63 Rep Leo Ryan killed at airstrip 6 miles from Jonestown
 
34:47.87 Jim Jones was not a "man of the cloth"
 
39:20.62 Value of Dark Tourism
 
40:25.99 Conclusion

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Jonestown: Vacation Destination? If Thirsty, "Don't Drink the Kool-Aid"

We revisit the Murdaugh trial in which South Carolina lawyer, Alex Murdaugh, is currently facing trial for the murder of his wife Maggie, and his son Paul. As the trial continues, we are learning more information about the nature of the crimes and how exactly they played out.In this episode of Body Bags, forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan and special guest co-host Dave Mack discuss the specifics of both Paul and Maggie’s injuries, why the prosecution uses diagrams vs. photographs when showing evidence in court, whether Paul had any defensive wounds, and much more. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Show Notes:
 
0:00 - Intro1:18 - Background and overview of the case
 
2:35 - Using diagrams in court vs. photographs
 
6:05 - Paul Murdaugh’s injuries
 
11:15 - The second shot to Paul Murdaugh’s head
 
14:50 - Paul’s face left intact
 
19:25 - Were there any type of defensive wounds on Paul?
 
20:30 - Maggie Murdaugh’s injuries
 
23:30 - Stippling around Maggie’s wounds
 
26:00 - Shot to the abdomen
 
29:00 - Was this overkill?
 
31:00 - Wrap up and outro

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The Murdaugh Trial Autopsy Review | Official Findings: The Best of Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan

Dead bodies and romance.....in Horry County South Carolina, Meagan Jackson is a contractor for the county delivering dead bodies to the morgue of the funeral home. She and her longtime boyfriend Gregory Rice have broken up and they are negotiating custody and support for their four children. Deputy Coroner Christopher Dontell is married to a school teacher and they have two children. The deputy Coroner and the woman bringing dead bodies to the morgue strike up a romance. When Gregory Rice goes missing and turns up dead, suspicion falls on his ex, Meagan and her new boyfriend, the very married Deputy Coroner, Christopher Dontell. Joseph Scott Morgan will explain what happens in the world of death investigation and how people can grow close to their coworkers under extreme circumstances. Joseph Scott Morgan will also take a close look at Meagan Jackson and Chris Dontell - did she think Dontell, because of his occupation, would know better how to get rid of a dead body? Dave Mack will help untangle the web of lies as Joseph Scott Morgan explains why Dontell has changed his plea and what will happen when he testifies against the woman who was carrying his child when her ex-boyfriend is found dead. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Transcribe Highlights
 
00:00.50 Introduction
 
03:29.84 South Carolina has rich Coroner history 
 
05:12.67 Elected Coroner in Horry County
 
10:03.41 Explaining "Livery" service
 
14:52.41 Deputy Coroner having affair with woman who delivers bodies
 
20:11.42 An affair the includes death and getting rid of body
 
24:25.02 Special training, would a deputy coroner have a better idea how to get rid of a body
 
29:57.62 Questions of a death investigator 
 
35:05.65 Digital evidence puts suspect at the scene of where body is found
 
41:08.05 Conclusion - Deputy Coroner cuts a deal and will testify for the state

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Coroner's Mistress and Her Ex's Dead Body: The Murder Trial

17-year-old Esther Gonzalez is walking from her parents house to her sister's house, and she never arrives. The next day her body is found in a snowpack on the side of the road. She has been raped and bludgeoned to death. The man who finds the body, Randy Williamson, talks to police and is described as argumentative. He ends up taking a polygraph and passes. With the only person of interest eliminated, the case goes cold. Joseph Scott Morgan explains what happens to a body over time and how the evidence gathered by detectives in 1979, made it possible to solve a cold case 44-years later. To learn about the incredible work being done by Othram labs take a look at www.othram.com. Othram: A revolution in Cold Case Resolution.

 
 
 

Transcript Highlight
 
00:01.65 Introduction
02:58.10 Geography of California
05:00.02 Snow and Surf on the same day
09:56.34 No surveillance cameras, easy dumping ground
15:01.25 Body of Esther found in snowbank
20:00.88 Why was "the finder" arguing with police?
25:18.98 Esther Gonzalez was raped and bludgeoned to death
30:00.11 The "finder" passes a polygraph test
35:44.63 Hairs that co-mingle
40:09.99 Detectives never gave up, kept investigating
44:59.73 Othram got a match to Randy Williamson. 
 
He was the killer. He died in 2014.

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The Murder of Teen Esther Gonzalez: Solved

The body of Melody Hoffman is discovered on a cold February morning. The person who finds her body calls 911 and describes her beautiful skin, she has all kinds of marks on her back, "like slashes" and her hands are curled in a way they shouldn't have been. She has been left in the freezing cold with nothing on but her underwear. Joseph Scott Morgan will explain how it is possible that the 20-year-p; has slashes across her back and has lost a lot of blood, but that isn't what killed her. Dave Mack digs into the different relationships that led to the murder of a 20-year-old woman who just wanted a boyfriend to care about her.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Transcript Highlights
 
00:01.16 Introduction
 
04:29.89 Melody Hoffman is missing
 
09:45.20 Melody might have been pregnant
 
14:30.41 Buy killing supplies
 
19:19.24 Picture on phone of Melody beaten, crying, tape over mouth
 
25:49.51 Murder happened February 18th, very cold
 
30:46.08 Does weather impact dead body
 
35:26.44 How much abuse had boyfriend put her through
 
39:39.14 Melody was strangled to death
 
47:58.86 Why was body left where it would be found
 
Conclusion

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Sliced, Beaten and Strangled: The Death of Melody Hoffman

A Shot in the Dark: Investigating Lincoln's Assassination and the Chilling Conspiracy | Part 1
In part one of this two-part series on Body Bags we delve into the assassination and autopsy of President Abraham Lincoln. 
Hosts Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack analyze the character and motivations of John Wilkes Booth, the layout of Ford's Theater, and the negligent behavior of John Parker, assigned to protect the president. They provide a fascinating explanation of the Philadelphia Deringer's firing mechanism, including its unique preloading process and firing sequence as well as going into Booth's meticulous planning, highlighting his knowledge of the play's comedic timing, Lincoln's potential focus on the orchestra pit, and the painstaking preparation involved in using the Deringer. Throughout this captivating episode, listeners uncover the chilling details and lasting impact of one of the most infamous moments in American history.
 
 
 
 
 
Time-codes:
00:25 - JoScott’s surprise at visiting presidential assassination locations.
01:30 - Description of Ford's Theater and the assassination scene.
02:20 - Introduction of Lincoln's assassination and autopsy topic.
06:10 - Discussion of access to the president during Lincoln's time.
07:10 - How did Booth gain access to Lincoln's box at Ford's Theater?
08:45 - Lincoln's well-publicized attendance at the theater.
10:35 - Comparison of past and present presidential security measures.
11:10 - John Parker, the inept officer assigned to protect Lincoln.
13:40 - Background on John Wilkes Booth and his Southern cause support.
16:00 - Long-lasting impact of Lincoln's assassination on the country.
18:15 - Specifics of the weapon used by John Wilkes Booth.
21:35 - Importance of caliber and limitations of Booth's weapon.
23:40 - Preloading the Philadelphia Deringer and its hammer mechanism.
24:55 - Comparison of the Deringer's firing sequence to modern weapons.
26:20 - Demonstration of the Deringer's firing sequence and sound.
27:10 - Proximity of Booth to Lincoln when he fired the weapon.
27:50 - Booth's understanding of the play's comedic timing and assassination planning.
29:40 - Discussion of Booth's planning and escape plan.
30:30 - Process of loading the Derringer and importance of seating the bullet properly.
32:15 - Please join us next time for part two!

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A Shot in the Dark Investigating Lincoln's Assassination and the Chilling Conspiracy "Best of Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan"

Shamra Felkel is last seen in Hartselle, South Carolina, on September 25. On October 7, friends and family report her missing. Shamra Felkel's daughters, Karli Felkel and Kasey Wolfe begin searching right away but say local law enforcement isn't taking the case seriously. 11 weeks after she vanishes into thin air, Kasey Wolfe gets an anonymous tip that leads her to ask a close family friend to search the Ruby Road area near her mother's property. The friend discovers human remains and calls authorities. Deputies respond and rope off the area. Joseph Scott Morgan explains what condition the remains will be in after being buried near a dry well for over two months and what will be learned at autopsy. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Transcript Highlights
00:00:13.06 Introduction
00:04:55.00 We are creatures of habit
00:10:14.37 Graveyard or Cemetery
00:14:40.13 Building a well
00:19:18.58 Who found the body of Shamra Felkel
00:25:00.66 After remains are found....what happens next
00:30:13.69 Investigators haven't announced type of strangulation
00:35:21.26 Charges of murder, kidnapping, obstruction of justice
00:39:05.01 Conclusion

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The Body Near The Well: The Murder of Shamra Felkel

Luigi Mangione allegedly shot and killed CEO of United Healthcare Brian Thompson on December 4, 2024. The suspect in the shooting is a 26-year-old person of means; smart, educated, and now, possibly a killer. Joseph Scott Morgan breaks down the type of weapon used and how it would function, the ammunition used, as well as the damage it could do to the intended target. Dave Mack tries to fill in the background of the story as it continues to evolve. This is Part One of Two.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Transcript Highlights
 
00:00:00.71 Introduction
 
00:00:57.91 Growing up spoiled
 
00:05:28.58 Luigi Mangione manifesto
 
00:08:55.84 Mangione creating characters on computer
 
00:12:26.42 Chronic pain in lower back 
 
00:17:38.37 Description of using 3D printed gun
 
00:24:56.27 Scheduling an event, waiting for victim
 
00:28:37.77 Suspect and weapons
 
00:33:23.74 Description of "site picture"
 
00:38:29.89 Shot and effect on body
 
00:39:01.33 Conclusion of part one

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The Public Execution of a CEO: The Murder of Brian Thompson

Nancy Grace joins Joseph Scott Morgan to talk about their years working together in front of the camera as well as their time BEFORE they were both on TV. This is the first episode to be recorded in the brand new facility at Jacksonville State University, where Joseph Scott Morgan is the Distinguished Scholar of Applied Forensics. Nancy Grace talks with Joe about Chris Watts, Ellen Greenberg, and the most recent events in the Scott Peterson case. Recorded Live at JSU on October 9, 2024
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

00:57.81 INTRODUCTION 
 
02:33.81 When did Nancy Grace and Joseph Scott Morgan meet?
 
05:08.13 Talking about working with Nancy Grace on HLN
 
10:16.87 Nancy talks about victim families. Kaylee Goncalves in particular
 
15:07.06 What is the biggest need for prosecutors from Forensics, be prepared
 
20:26.83 Talking about people coming from rural areas and metro areas
 
25:55.57 Processing an outdoor scene
 
30:19.17 The importance of the right time of death
 
35:42.26 Talking about Ellen Greenberg case.
 
40:24.33 Scott Peterson and the new testing of duct tape
 
45:19.91 Training Evidence custodian and the chain of evidence
 
50:16.21 Multiple areas of Forensics
 
52:47.16 Conclusion - Thanks to Nancy Grace
 
 

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Nancy Grace and Joseph Scott Morgan: One-On-One

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