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Join Joseph Scott Morgan every week as he explores a world that not many have had a chance to visit, the realm of death. Jo Scott will lead listeners on a journey through the blood soaked death scenes of America and then into the autopsy room to fully understand the science behind each case. Jo Scott is one America’s leading experts on applied forensics and is regularly featured on ‘Crime Stories with Nancy Grace’, ‘The Piketon Massacre’, Court TV and more.

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Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan

The FBI's investigation into James Knott's Kentucky home reveals a shocking discovery: 40 human skulls, femurs, hip bones, and spinal cords used as decorations. In response to this disturbing find, Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack delve deep into the complex and unsettling world of how human remains are treated, examining the blurred boundaries between respect and violation. Through personal stories, including that of a mortician's questionable actions and a chilling account of James Knott's home adorned with human skulls, the duo grapples with society's morbid fascinations. Additionally, they explore historical figures like William Burke and contemporary controversies surrounding Harvard Medical School. The episode culminates in a somber reflection on the trade of human trophies in our digital age, and discussion of ethical dilemmas surrounding these issues, prompting us to question our society's values and the importance of respecting the dignity of the deceased.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Time-codes:
 
[00:00:20] - Joseph Scott Morgan gives an overview of his experience as a death investigator, introducing the episode's story about a man who worked for a prestigious institution and drove a car with vanity plate hinting at death
 
[00:04:00] - Joe Scott narrates a shocking tale of a mortician's twisted expression of love, and argues that the dead are the most defenseless and that those in the mortuary industry should honor the dead.
 
[00:06:20] - Dave Mack introduces the story of James Knott, a man in Kentucky whose home was raided by the FBI, leading to the discovery of 40 human skulls and other bones used as decorations.
 
[00:07:44] - Insight into the intricate and complex process of dissecting human brains and spinal cords is shared.
 
[00:10:13] - Joe's passion for history and architecture leads to a discussion on ossuaries in Portugal and Milan, Italy.
 
[00:13:00] - Joe recounts the chilling response of James Knott to FBI agents during a warrant execution and raises questions about Knott's motives and activities, speculating on the possibility of him being a necrophile, grave robber, serial killer, or trafficker in human remains.
 
[00:15:20] - A Harvard medical school bag's discovery thickens the plot around Knott.
 
[00:16:37] - Dave probes the enigma of preparing human remains for display, including cleaning and sourcing the remains. 
 
[00:19:40] - How can one acquire so many skulls? Joe presents his theories and also discusses methods of cleaning bones, including using bleach or a heating process.
 
 [00:23:20] - Joseph Scott Morgan delves into the history of William Burke and William Hare, two serial killers known for selling bodies for medical dissections, and explains the prohibition against human dissections in medical schools during that period, leading to a market for human remains.
 
[00:25:37] - The debate steers towards the legality and ethics of anatomical gifts, and the trust issues surrounding anatomical donations. Harvard Medical School's involvement in this case raises questions.
 
00:27:12] Morgan explains how certain individuals, including Cecil Lodge, former head of the Harvard Medical School Anatomical Gift Program, allegedly brokered human remains.
 
[00:28:06] - A step-by-step journey through the body dissection process in medical schools.
 
[00:29:38] - The morbid market of body parts as "souvenirs" is put under the spotlight. Dave highlights the modern-day horror of trading human trophies on social media.
 
[00:32:00] - Joe Scott contemplates the future repercussions of the episode's revelations on industry regulations.

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Unraveling the Mystery of 40 Skulls: A Grim Revelation "Best of Body Bags"

A baby is dropped off at the end of a Tennessee driveway. As witnesses call 911 to report the baby, another call is coming in from a county over about a possible quadruple homicide. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack discuss the murders of Adrianna Williams, 20, James Wilson, 21, Cortney Rose,, 38, and Braydon Williams, 15, and the man who was arrested for the crime after days on the lam, Austin Drummond. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Transcribe Highlights
 
00:00.11 Introduction 
 
04:02.95 Infant dropped off at the end of driveway
 
08:15.20 Four dead, two are women
 
12:05.22 Posting photos on social media
 
16:14.68 Identification was fast
 
21:01.80 Possible concealment 
 
24:20.42 Austin Drummond dated the grandmother
 
28:45.41 Austin Drummond prison cell 
 
32:04.72 Austin Drummond captured
 
34:02.53 Conclusion 

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FAMILY MASSACRE! Family Friend Accused of Quadruple Murder. Austin Drummond CAPTURED!

Arsonists do it for may different reasons; Revenge, Money, Cover-up a Crime, Pyrophilia. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack discuss arson and how the crime is investigated, the evidence left behind, and why burning up the scene of a crime to get rid of evidence often creates the evidence needed to catch the perp. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Transcript Highlights
00:00:00.00 Introduction - Fire
 
00:05:08.55 Getting hurt at fire scenes
 
00:09:59.88 Four sources
 
00:15:06.98 Watching fire
 
00:20:04.78 Arsonists use fire to make money, cover up a crime, render down a body
 
00:25:09.86 Somebody laying on their back, clothing on back many time is intact
 
00:30:17.15 Using fire for revenge
 
00:35:16.22 Memory of first time faced with a burned body in morgue
 
00:39:58.89 Linear surgical incisions to prevent body from splitting open
 
00:45:05.58 Most people die from smoke inhalation
 
00:50:17.55 Being short of breath, sad way to die
 
00:55:02.50 Treating the body with respect
 
00:59:47.19 Personal story, conclusion 
 
 

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ARSON: Revenge. Money. Cover-up Crime. Pyrophilia.

Bryan Kohberger snuck in to kill young ladies while they slept. Maddie and Kaylee woke up and fought for their lives. Ethan Chapin was killed as he slept. But one, Xana Kernodle, was wide awake when the devil showed up. 
 
After reading through documents released by the Moscow Police, Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack put together a timeline and a map of activity inside the house at 1122 King Road and what really took place. They also discuss the injuries and the effect those injuries had on the victims as well as breaking down the police reports with never before heard comments from survivors and the horror that was seen by police when they first arrived on scene.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Transcribe Highlights
 
00:00.00 Introduction 
 
04:25.35 Xana came from tough upbinging
 
08:55.66 All four students did well in school 
 
14:25.39 Coming face to face with Satan
 
19:57.23 BK surprised by Xana
 
25:02.33 Ghastly injury from Xana grabbing knife
 
30:18.04 Xana was fully awake and engaged during attack 
 
34:59.06 Ethan found in the bed, significant trauma
 
40:00.96 Similar injury caused by Courtney Clenney
 
45:10.40 No justice for what BK did
 
47:06.63 Conclusion

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SHOCKING TRUTH! XANA Caught BK And Fought The Devil!

The sentencing of Bryan Kohberger allowed for the release of documents that until now have been kept from the public. 
 
Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack discuss the case and examine the injuries suffered by Madison Mogen, Kaylee Goncalves, Xana Kerodle, and Ethan Chapin. This episode covers the injuries suffered by Maddie and Kaylee, best friends, murdered by Bryan Kohberger on the third floor of 1122 King Road.
 
Tomorrow's episode will cover Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Transcribe Highlights 
 
00:00:00.00 Introduction 
 
00:02:15.60 Moscow Police files open for public
 
00:05:38.39 Kohberger "selfie"
 
00:09:44.63 Alivea Goncalves Impact statement
 
00:15:04.65 Warning about the damage done to Maddie and Kaylee
 
00:20:44.26 Prosecutors believe the "target" was Maddie or Kaylee
 
00:24:17.15 Wounds indicate Maddie was defending herself
 
00:29:11.95 Injuries to liver and lung
 
00:35:28.11 Very Sharp instrument
 
00:39:24.33 Kaylee was trapped between Maddie and the wall
 
00:44:08.05 Pink Blanket covering Maddie and Kaylee
 
00:49:37.59 Hand wrapped around Handle of Ka-Bar
 
00:54:58.43 Very vascular area struck
 
00:56:42.98 Conclusion 

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EXPLOSIVE PROOF! Maddie and Kaylee Fought Back Against Cowardly Attacker

In 1984, Terrance Arndt was an 18-year-old in Shasta County California. He and his girlfriend are sitting together in his vehicle when out of nowhere, a man with a gun shows up. Arndt tries to save his girlfriend and is shot in the process. The girlfriend is sexually assaulted and left for dead. She isn't dead. After the killer leaves, she bravely drives Arndt's car for help and the state highway patrol calls Shasta County Sheriff's department. Arndt is taken to an area hospital but dies from his injuries, his girlfriend, never named, survives. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack discuss the case and the evidence left behind that allowed for science to catch up to the evidence collected. It took 40 years, but an arrest has been made.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Transcript Highlights
 
00:00.37 Introduction 
 
01:41.48 Othram solves another cold case 
 
02:45.31 Shasta County
 
05:11.66 Terrence Arndt killed, date raped
 
10:10.43 Small town athlete = star
 
14:42.98 Blood and DNA in 1984
 
20:08.18 Evidence that might be used later25:58.30 Tucson is a long way from Shasta County
 
29:56.59 Plug info into codis
 
35:19.30 Suspect shows up in court in a wheelchair and on oxygen
 
39:46.21 You can't outrun the numbers
 
42:09.96 Conclusion 

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ARREST! 1984 RAPIST, MURDERER OF 18-YEAR-OLDS, CAUGHT AFTER 40 YEARS

The victim impact statements in the Bryan Kohberger sentencing were powerful.
 
Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack have covered the case since it began in November 2022 and discuss the evidence used to convince Bryan Kohberger to take a plea deal. 
 
JoScott also explains some of the injuries sustained by Kaylee Gonçalves and how they would have happened based on what we now know about the murders and how they took place. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Transcribe Highlights
 
00:00.22 Introduction, memories
 
04:25.74 Idaho murders impact on society
 
10:03.64 Impact statements by family members
 
15:12.12 Still wanting to know the facts of the case
 
20:32.28 Did BK target one specific person?
 
25:27.39 Science solved the case
 
30:13.55 BK Comment on arrest "anyone else arrested?"
 
35:11.23 Timeline of activity 
 
40:34.32 Defense theory of 4 other people
 
45:10.42 Parents, Grandparents, siblings, impacted
 
48:23.61 Conclusion

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DELUSIONAL.PATHETIC. AVERAGE. YOU ARE NOTHING. FAILED RAPPER: BRYAN KOHBERGBER

Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack discuss Forensic Anthropology, starting with the two questions usually asked of Forensic Anthropologists:
 
 1. Who are they?
 2. What happened?
 
Joseph Scott Morgan explains what is Forensic Anthropology and how experts in the field are able to figure out what happened in cases where only a minimum of remains are left to investigate.
 
 
 
Transcribe Highlights
 
00:10.88 Introduction- Forensic Anthropology 
 
05:05.90 Thinking neighbor was "the" Margaret Mead
 
10:26.47 Forensic Anthropologists - The Body Farm
 
14:56.66 Training is very intense
 
20:01.55 Terminator the liquid guy
 
25:03.32 Bones that make up the human skull 
 
30:18.10 Swampy area - what happens to bones?
 
35:08.07 Study of human skeletal remains
 
40:42.60 Suture lines in floor of skull
 
44:34.54 Working case of genocide 
 
50:36.76 Gunshot wound
 
55:22.21 Conclusion

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Shocking Discovery: Forensic Anthropology and the Suicide of Gabby Petito's Killer

In West Georgia, on the morning of February 20th, 2025, deputies with the Carroll County Sheriff's Office responded to the scene at 1531 Carolton Tyus Road. The 5-year-old daughter of James "Jamie" Brock and his wife, "Kristen Brock, discovered the bodies of her parents, both deceased, from apparent gunshot wounds. The 5-year-old told her sister, Sarah Grace Patrick, 16, and she called 911. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack discuss the scene of the crime and some of the "Red Flags" that began to fly in the days, weeks, and months that followed. The investigation of a double homicide in a small community in rural Georgia becomes an international affair with the teenage daughter/stepdaughter of the deceased begins asking for help on TikTok.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Transcript Highlights
 
00:00.32 Introduction - Babies
 
01:27.18 Teen accused of murder
 
05:18.49 Blended family
 
09:50.63 Evil visits everywhere
 
14:47.90 Did someone alter the scene?
 
20:13.45 Blood co-mingled
 
25:26.43 More than one weapon used?
 
29:56.79 Talk about son killing his family in his dad's dentist office
 
35:12.07 Sentencing meant to deterrent
 
40:02.92 Police mention possible future arrests
 
43:01.18 Brock's got really plugged into a church
 
45:03.87 conclusion 

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SHOCKING ARREST!!! Teen Begs TikTok Influencers to Investigate Parents' Murders!

The death of Jeffrey Epstein is back in the news and his brother, Mark Epstein, is on record saying he believes his brother was murdered.
 
The death of Jeffrey Epstein has been debated since the minute it was announced to the world. On this episode of Body Bags, Joseph Scott Morgan will share what it was like to be on the air with the news and notice "red flags" as certain parts of the death story didn't seem to be correct.
 
Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack will break down the death of Jeffrey Epstein. Did Jeffrey Epstein commit suicide, or was he murdered? 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Transcript Highlights 
 
00:01:17 Joe hears story about where the meanest men in America live 
 
00:04:47 Joseph Scott Morgan talks about covering Epstein death 
 
00:08:23 Discuss first attack/suicide attempt 
 
00:11:45 Talk about unusual circumstances 
 
00:14:37 Discuss conflicting statements about noose 
 
000:17:15 Talk about Epstein allowed unmonitored phone call 
 
00:18:23 Discuss no cellmate to attack or stop suicide 
 
00:20:33 Talk about two nooses in the cell 
 
00:22:42 Discussion of cell condition and contents 
 
00:25:49 Talk about July 23rd event 
 
00:29:25 Discuss observing body at time of death 
 
00:32:25 Talk about putting hospital gown on Epstein 
 
00:34:03 Mark Epstein told his brother may have been dead 2 hours or more 
 
00:37:40 Talk about Epstein body wheeled into hospital 
 
00:40:34 Discussion of hyoid bone 
 
00:42:05 Discuss facts of the body at time of death 
 
00:44:24 Discuss agreement overturned regarding suicide 
 
00:45:14 Talk about autopsy, who was present 
 
00:47:00 Discuss distribution of force 
 
00:48:16 Mentions that noose wasn't collected for evidence. 

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Murder or Suicide? The Death of Jeffrey Epstein - The Best of Body Bags

Ashley and Doug Benefield marry after knowing each other for 13 days. Doug's previous wife has only been dead 9-months and he has a 15-year-old daughter to raise. Ashley convinces Doug to finance her dream Ballet company and to get his vasectomy reversed. On this episode of Body Bags you will discover why a prosecutor said Ashley Benefield decided she wanted to be a single mom when she was pregnant, and Joseph Scott Morgan will explain how someone can be shot in the chest even when they are not facing the shooter! 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Transcript Highlights
00:00:16.23 Introduction Discovery of the Black Swan
00:04:10.75 Discussion of Ashley Benefield the ballerina
00:08:42.29 Talk Doug and Ashley marry 13 days after they meet
00:14:29.79 Discussion of family dynamic
00:19:09.37 Discussion about why they married so fast
00:25:00.33 Discussion about Ballet company, Ashley pregnant
00:29:08.13 Talk Black Swan claims domestic abuse
00:34:24.42 Discussion of Ashley lying to Doug in therapy
00:40:22.90 Talk about Doug being shot in the chest and leg
00:44:33.51 Jury did not believe self-defense, Black Swan convicted
 

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