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BBC Radio 5 Live

Murderers. Fraudsters. Internet trolls. This is a podcast about people who do terrible things, and the science of humanity’s dark side.

Series producer: Louisa Field 
Artwork: Kingsley Nebechi 
Music: Matt Chandler 
Editors: Anna Lacey and Martin Smith
Academic Consultants for The Open University: 
Dr Ailsa Strathie
Dr Sarah Laurence
Commissioning Assistant Producer: Adam Eland 
Commissioning Executive: Dylan Haskins
 
Bad People is produced in partnership with The Open University and is a BBC Audio Science Production for BBC Sounds.

Bad People

How one of the first Tesco Clubcards was used to pay off a blackmailer threatening to poison frozen food. And how that Clubcard was used to catch him.

Presented by journalist and true crime documentary maker Amber Haque and criminal psychologist Dr Julia Shaw.

Producer: Ciaran Tracey with help from James Shield
Executive Producer: Innes Bowen
Production Coordinator: Juliette Harvey
Mix Engineer: John Scott
Commissioning Editor: Dylan Haskins
Assistant Commissioner: Izzy Lee-Poulton

Bad People is a BBC Studios production for BBC Sounds

125. The Secret History of the Clubcard

Former Metropolitan Police officer, Wayne Couzens, kidnapped, raped and murdered Sarah Everard, in March, 2021.

Hosts Amber Haque and Dr Julia Shaw discuss the findings of The Angiolini Inquiry, and how the crime of indecent exposure may indicate a potential trajectory towards even more serious sexual and violent offending.

Producer: Lorna Reader
Executive Producers: Innes Bowen and Joe Kent
Production Coordinator: Juliette Harvey
Mix Engineer: John Scott
Commissioning Editor: Dylan Haskins
Assistant Commissioner: Izzy Lee-Poulton

Bad People is a BBC Studios production for BBC Sounds.

124. Flashers: The case of Wayne Couzens

Rob Parkes’ ex-wife lied about him being a drug dealer and a gang member. Then she tried to hire a hitman to have him killed.

Rob tells his remarkable story of abuse, narrow escapes and survival.

Presented by journalist and true crime documentary maker Amber Haque and criminal psychologist Dr Julia Shaw.

Producers: James Shield and Danita McIntyre
Executive Producers: Joe Kent and Innes Bowen
Production Coordinator: Juliette Harvey
Mix Engineer: John Scott
Commissioning Editor: Dylan Haskins
Assistant Commissioner: Izzy Lee-Poulton

Bad People is a BBC Studios production for BBC Sounds

123. My ex tried to have me killed

Ian Patterson was a sought after breast surgeon and patron of a charity supporting people with cancer, now he’s in prison.

He was sentenced to 20 years in 2017 for carrying out unnecessary and unapproved procedures.

Hosts Amber Haque and Dr Julia Shaw discuss the psychology of medical encounters and the prevalence of narcissism amongst surgeons.

Producer: Rachel Oakes
Executive Producers: Innes Bowen and Joe Kent
Production Coordinator: Juliette Harvey
Mix Engineer: John Scott
Assistant Commissioners: Izzy Lee-Poulton and Sarah Green
Commissioning Editor: Dylan Haskins

Bad People is a BBC Studios production for BBC Sounds.

122. Trust Me I'm a Doctor

Dr Gwen Adshead has spent almost thirty years working with the some of the most violent offenders in prisons and high security psychiatric facilities. Amber Haque and Dr Julia Shaw speak to Dr Gwen Adshead who is delivering this year's BBC Radio 4 Reith Lectures. She tells Bad People that to really understand violence we need to pay more attention to what perpetrators say about it.

121. Understanding Violence: Bad People x The Reith Lectures

Should the parents of a high school shooter be held criminally responsible for the actions of their son?

The landmark case of James and Jennifer Crumbley, the parents of US high school shooter Ethan Crumbley. They were charged with failing to prevent their son's fatal attack.

Presented by journalist and true crime documentary maker Amber Haque and criminal psychologist Dr Julia Shaw.

Producer: James Shield
Executive Producer: Innes Bowen
Production Coordinator: Juliette Harvey
Mix Engineer: John Scott
Commissioning Editor: Dylan Haskins
Assistant Commissioner: Izzy Lee-Poulton

120. We need to talk about Ethan

Faye Dunn was a professional footballer who played for the England women's team. In 2020, police discovered she had another career in organised crime.

Amber Haque tells the story of how Faye and her father were rumbled in the biggest organised crime bust in British history. Dr Julia Shaw delves into the research on double lives and going into crime with a family member.

Producers: Maggie Latham, Lorna Reader and Fiona Woods
Production Apprentice: Danita McIntyre
Executive Producer: Innes Bowen
Production Coordinator: Juliette Harvey
Mix Engineer: John Scott
Commissioning Editor: Dylan Haskins
Assistant Commissioner: Izzy Lee-Poulton

119. The Ultimate Foul

The story of how teenager Michelle Carter's text messages to suicidal boyfriend Conrad Roy resulted in death for him and a charge of manslaughter for her.

Hosts Amber Haque and Dr Julia Shaw discuss whether it should be a crime to encourage someone to take their own life?

Producers: Lorna Reader and Rachel Oakes.
Executive Producer: Innes Bowen
Production Coordinator: Juliette Harvey
Mix Engineer: John Scott
Commissioning Editor: Dylan Haskins
Assistant Commissioners: Izzy Lee-Poulton and Sarah Green

118. Killed by Text

Sherri Lynn Lamarche was the unassuming bookkeeper in a family real estate business in Nova Scotia. She was trusted so much that she managed to steal millions before anyone noticed.

Hosts Amber Haque and Dr Julia Shaw discuss how criminal psychology's model of the "fraud triangle" perfectly fits this ultimate office drama. It's a classic fraud story of opportunity, incentive and rationalisation.

Producers: Ciaran Tracey with help from Lorna Reader, Rhiannon Cobb and Shabnam Grewal
Executive Producer: Innes Bowen
Production Coordinator: Juliette Harvey
Mix Engineer: John Scott
Commissioning Editor: Dylan Haskins
Assistant Commissioners: Izzy Lee-Poulton and Sarah Green

117. The Bookkeeper and the Boss

In February 2024, mother-of-six, beloved parenting guru and social media star Ruby Franke, was convicted and jailed for child abuse.

The case struck at the heart of what it means to be a good carer in today’s society, and how even the most loving parent can end up committing unimaginable cruelty.

Join criminal psychologist, Dr Julia Shaw and true crime documentary maker Amber Haque as they discuss this truly heartbreaking and mind-boggling case – as well as exploring how what and who we choose to follow and interact with on social media can raise serious moral questions too.

Producers: Maggie Latham and Rachel Oakes
Executive Producer: Innes Bowen
Production Coordinator: Juliette Harvey
Mix Engineer: John Scott
Commissioning Editor: Dylan Haskins
Assistant Commissioners: Izzy Lee-Poulton and Sarah Green

116. Bad Momfluencer

In April 2018, a sealed plastic bag is found tossed next to a dumpster in Coachella, USA. In it, seven tiny, squeaking, new-born puppies. CCTV footage of the puppy dumping culprit, Deborah Sue Culwell, sparked outrage. 

On this episode of Bad People, we discuss animal welfare and cruelty, the new psychological categorisation Animal Hoarding Disorder (AHD), the link between animal cruelty and interpersonal violence, and why we often care so deeply about some animals (pets) while ignoring the suffering of others (livestock).

CREDITS
Presenters: Dr Julia Shaw and Sofie Hagen
Producer: Simona Rata
Editors: Anna Lacey
Music: Matt Chandler

Commissioning Executive: Dylan Haskins
Commissioning Assistant Producer: Adam Eland

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90. Trash Puppies: Why are some people cruel to animals?

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