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Paula Pant | Cumulus Podcast Network

You can afford anything, but not everything. We make daily decisions about how to spend money, time, energy, focus and attention – and ultimately, our life.
How do we make smarter decisions? How do we think from first principles?
On the surface, Afford Anything seems like a podcast about money and investing.
But under the hood, this is a show about how to think critically, recognize our behavioral blind spots, and make smarter choices. We’re into the psychology of money, and we love metacognition: thinking about how to think.
In some episodes, we interview world-class experts: professors, researchers, scientists, authors. In other episodes, we answer your questions, talking through decision-making frameworks and mental models.
Want to learn more? Download our free book, Escape, at http://affordanything.com/escape. Hosted by Paula Pant.

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#123: In the 1970's, a woman named Vicki Robin teamed up with a man named Joe Dominguez.
 They came from different backgrounds: she was an Ivy League graduate with a comfortable upbringing; he was raised in Spanish Harlem on "welfare cheese."
 But they shared one common thread: a commitment to financial independence, not just as a money management strategy, but as a philosophy on life.
 Vicki and Joe became partners in both work and life. They united over a definition of "FI" that expanded beyond paying your bills through your savings and investments. They saw FI as a lifestyle that exists in three dimensions:
 1: Financial Intelligence -- Your ability to think about money in an objective, unbiased and non-emotional manner.
 2: Financial Integrity -- Your ability to earn and spend in a manner that's consistent with your values, and to stay aware of the impact of your earning/spending choices on yourself, your family and your planet.
 3: Financial Independence -- Your ability to break the shackles of paycheck dependence, and ALSO your ability to declare independence from limiting beliefs, fears, and the perception that money will solve your problems.
 In 1992, Vicki and Joe co-authored a book called Your Money or Your Life, outlining the FI philosophy. Their book became a mega-bestseller, selling more than one million copies. It landed on the New York Times bestseller list and spent more than 5 years on the BusinessWeek bestseller list.
 Oprah Winfrey said: "This is a wonderful book. It can really change your life."
 Vicki and Joe devoted the next five years to spreading the message of FI. They appeared on hundreds of TV and radio shows, including Oprah, Good Morning America, and NPR. They were written about in the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, People Magazine, and Newsweek.
 Joe passed away in 1997, and Vicki continued spreading the FI message for another five years, before her cancer diagnosis caused her to take a step back.
 Today, Vicki is 72, healthy, and still spreading the FI message. And she'd like to discuss a fourth dimension to FI:
 4: Financial Interdepedence -- Your ability to live within a flow of giving and receiving. Interdependence comes from our relationship with our communities, our nation, and the natural world.
 In today's podcast episode, Vicki discusses how we can move from financial independence to financial interdependence.
 Enjoy!
 For more, go to http://affordanything.com/session123
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Your Money or Your Life -- with Vicki Robin, bestselling author

#565: When Codie Sanchez worked in finance, she wasn't planning to buy a laundromat. But facing 60-70 hour workweeks and realizing she didn't want her boss's job, she started looking for an exit strategy. Instead of buying a fancy car during her "midlife crisis," she purchased that first laundromat - a decision that would lead her to acquire multiple laundromats, car washes, and other local businesses.

Codie joins us to break down how regular people can buy and run profitable local businesses, even without previous ownership experience. These "Main Street" businesses - think laundromats, car washes, landscaping companies, and other local services - often generate steady cash flow without requiring complex technology or massive scale.

She shares eye-opening stats about business ownership in America: while 80 percent of Americans owned a business in the 1800s, today that number has dropped to just 6 percent. Meanwhile, private equity firms have increased their ownership of small businesses from 4 percent in 2000 to 20 percent by 2020.

But there's good news for aspiring business owners. Codie breaks down 21 different ways to finance a business acquisition, from seller financing to equipment loans. She explains that 60 percent of businesses sell with some form of seller financing, making ownership more accessible than many realize.

Want to avoid common pitfalls? Codie introduces her RICH framework:
- Research: Define what type of business fits your goals and skills
- Invest: Get skin in the game, but never risk bankruptcy
- Command: Use systems and metrics to avoid accidentally buying yourself a job
- Harness: Build toward bigger goals if desired

She emphasizes starting small — master one business before attempting to build an empire. A successful acquisition requires understanding the "roadmap to making money" - the 5-7 key steps that drive profit in any business.

The numbers tell an encouraging story: while 90 percent of startups fail within 10 years, small business acquisitions have a 75-95 percent success rate. Codie attributes this to buying proven business models rather than starting from scratch.

Perhaps most importantly, she challenges the notion that "boring" businesses can't generate serious wealth. From a roofing company founder becoming one of the world's wealthiest women to a garbage collection entrepreneur building a billion-dollar enterprise, Main Street businesses have created numerous millionaires and billionaires.

Want to learn more? Check out Main Street Millionaire.

For more information, visit the show notes at https://affordanything.com/episode565
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Codie Sanchez: From Wall Street to Washing Machines

#566: Jackie is sold on Paul Merriman’s “Four Funds” approach, but she’s overwhelmed by the logistics of diversifying her single fund portfolio.. What are the best practices to redistribute her investments, handle taxes, and manage rebalancing?

Heidi’s mother recently passed and she’s struggling to decide between distribution options, their tax implications, and investment options for the annuity she inherited. 

An anonymous caller and her husband want to buy a second home, pay for their children’s college, buy a car in cash, travel well, and save $3 to $4 million for retirement. How do they prioritize and manage their competing goals?

Former financial planner Joe Saul-Sehy and I tackle these three questions in today’s episode.
Enjoy!

P.S. Got a question? Leave it at https://affordanything.com/voicemail
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Q&A: Breaking Up with Total Market Funds After 10 Years

#567: What happens when an astronaut goes blind during a spacewalk?

For Chris Hadfield, this wasn't a hypothetical scenario. While working outside the International Space Station, cleaning solution from his helmet visor spread into both eyes, leaving him completely blind in the vacuum of space.

His response? Stay calm and methodically evaluate options. He could call Houston. He could have a crew member rescue him. He could try to cry to flush out his eyes - though that's tricky in zero gravity.

This story opens our conversation with Polina Marinova Pompliano, former Fortune Magazine reporter and author of the new book "Hidden Genius."

Through her interviews with high-performers across fields — from astronauts to investors to extreme athletes — she uncovers patterns in how people handle uncertainty and build resilience.

Take trust, for example. Reid Hoffman's formula is simple: Trust = Consistency + Time.

It's not enough to show up sporadically when it's convenient. Trust builds through meeting deadlines, following through on commitments, and maintaining clear communication — even during challenges.

Reliable consistency compounds over time, much like interest in an investment account.

Or consider Charlie Munger's approach to beliefs. Rather than defending positions "to the death," he argues you should only claim to believe something if you can argue the opposition's viewpoint better than they can. This forces you to genuinely understand different perspectives rather than just reflexively disagreeing.

The conversation explores how people navigate major setbacks, from Conrad Anker surviving an avalanche that killed his climbing partners to Polina's own experience of quitting Fortune magazine right before COVID hit. A key theme emerges: resilience isn't about avoiding difficulty, but about training yourself to handle it through small daily practices.

Former Navy SEAL David Goggins calls this "callusing the mind." By deliberately doing one uncomfortable thing each day - whether that's running in the rain or having a difficult conversation - you build your capacity to handle larger challenges. The goal isn't to become superhuman, but to expand your comfort zone step by step.

Other topics include:
- How immigrant experiences shape risk perception
- The shift from institutional to individual trust in media
- Reframing "failure" as redirection
- Building competence as an antidote to fear
- Finding signal in the noise of information overload

Enjoy the conversation!

For more information, visit the show notes at https://affordanything.com/episode567

Resources:

James Clear Episode 156: https://affordanything.com/156-how-to-build-incredible-habits-with-james-clear/

Annie Duke Episode 281: https://affordanything.com/281-the-art-of-decision-making-with-annie-duke/

Annie Duke Episode 424: https://affordanything.com/424-the-power-of-knowing-when-to-walk-away-with-annie-duke/

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Lessons from High-Stakes Decisions, with Polina Marinova Pompliano

#568: Jason is confused by the recent discussions about the efficient frontier and Paul Merriman’s four-sector strategy. It seems a lot like another form of stock-picking. What’s the difference?

Michelle straddles the Roth income threshold and is frustrated that she never knows if she’ll qualify for a Roth contribution until tax season. Is her current savings plan too complicated?

Evan has $100 to spend on personal finance books for his high school’s library. What books would Paula and Joe put on this limited shelf space?

Former financial planner Joe Saul-Sehy and I tackle these three questions in today’s episode.
Enjoy!
P.S. Got a question? Leave it here.

For more information, visit the show notes at https://affordanything.com/episode568
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Q&A: Why Smart Investors Are Questioning VTSAX and Chill

Ever made a flippant, seemingly minor decision that radically changed the course of your life?Morgan Housel has experienced this. At age 17, he made a quick decision that ended up saving his life. Sadly, two of his friends were less fortunate.
He shares that story in today’s podcast episode, and sheds light on the lessons he’s learned from it.
Housel says that his lifesaving choice — and many of our other important decisions — are snap verdicts, ones that we don’t spend much time thinking about.
If pivotal moments are decided in a flash, how do we navigate risk? How do we evaluate our options?
Housel says this comes understanding concepts that remain constant, consistent, and universal.
We need to accept that humans aren’t rational. We must appreciate the reasons why the best answer doesn’t always win. We ought to remember that we overlook many good things happening around us. These constants will most likely impact our futures.
Housel was named by MarketWatch as one of the 50 most influential people in the market. He is the New York Times bestselling author of The Psychology of Money. He joins us to discuss the ideas in his book, "Same As Ever".
We're sharing this as part of GREATEST HITS WEEK, a 5-day series in which we're sharing 5 episodes, across 5 days, that originally aired at the start of 2024 (January through March). You may have missed it then; enjoy it now.
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Morgan Housel: How to Trend-Proof Your Portfolio and Think Beyond Fads [GREATEST HITS WEEK]

Great communication will get you a raise. It’ll get you promoted. You’ll land the corner office.
You’ll make friends and be the life of the party.
You’ll land business deals and form lucrative partnerships.
Supercommunication is a superpower.
But how do we build it?
Sometimes, you might walk away from a conversation with the joy of having made a cool new friend.
Or you snagged a critical piece of information that you realllllly needed. Or you successfully negotiated an extra $5,000 off your car.
On the flip side, sometimes you’ll walk away from a conversation, scratching your head and wondering … “What just happened?”
If either of these situations have happened to you, Charles Duhigg will help you understand WHY.
Duhigg is a Pultizer Prize winning reporter. He holds an undergrad degree from Yale and an MBA from Harvard. He wrote for the LA Times and New York Times, before landing at The New Yorker.
His first two books, The Power of Habit and Smarter, Faster, Better, have sold more than 5 million copies. Recently, he came out with a new book called Supercommunicators.
He chats with us today to discuss the power of communication.
Duhigg shares why communication is a critical component to happiness and success in every part of life. He discusses the different styles of conversations that people can have, which lead to either connection or disconnection. He also shares critical tips to help us all become supercommunicators and live richer lives.
Enjoy!

Resources Mentioned:
Supercommunicators: How to Unlock the Secret Language of Connection, by Charles Duhigg | Book
The Power of Habit, by Charles Duhigg | Book
Smarter Faster Better, by Charles Duhigg | Book

We're sharing this as part of GREATEST HITS WEEK, a 5-day series in which we're sharing 5 episodes, across 5 days, that originally aired at the start of 2024 (January through March). You may have missed it then; enjoy it now.
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Charles Duhigg: How to Have Smarter Conversations [GREATEST HITS WEEK]

If you’ve ever thought: “I’d love a business BUT …“I don’t have TIME.”
“I don’t have MONEY.”
“I don’t have IDEAS.”
“I have TOO MANY ideas and I don’t know where to start.”
“I’m not technical.”
“I’m not creative or artistic.”
“I’m not good at sales.”
You’re not alone. Countless people don’t start businesses or side hustles for these reasons.
And they’re losing thousands — perhaps millions — in opportunity cost.
How much could you make if you started a side hustle that eventually scaled into a business? Possibly millions. Today’s guest, Noah Kagan, is living proof.
Noah was employee #30 at Facebook. His stock options, if fully vested, would be worth over $1 billion today.
(If you want to do the math — his stock options came to 0.1 percent of the company, which has a current market cap of $1 trillion.)
But Noah was fired just a couple months before his stock options vested. So rather than getting a billion-dollar payout, he got nothing.
He sank into a deep depression, eventually recovering with the help of a therapist who counseled him on how to reframe the experience.
Then he rolled up his sleeves and got to work. He became a serial entrepreneur, building multiple businesses. His most successful venture now makes $80 million in gross revenue, and his personal take-home is $3.3 million per year (which comes from a $200,000 annual salary and $3.1 million profit distribution.) His net worth is $36 million.
Not a billion, but still not too shabby.
Noah recently wrote a book called “Million Dollar Weekend: The Surprisingly Simple Way to Launch a 7-Figure Business in 48 Hours.”
He sits down with us (in person!) to share:
— how to find business ideas
— how to overcome objections and rejections
— how to scale
By the end of the episode, the common objections that you often hear — like “I don’t have time/money/ideas” — will be quashed.
Please enjoy!

We're sharing this as part of GREATEST HITS WEEK, a 5-day series in which we're sharing 5 episodes, across 5 days, that originally aired at the start of 2024 (January through March). You may have missed it then; enjoy it now.
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Noah Kagan: 48 Hours to Entrepreneurship — Your Million Dollar Weekend [GREATEST HITS WEEK]

Do you ever wonder what happens behind closed doors on Wall Street? Vivian Tu, also known as Your Rich BFF, is here to spill the tea.
Vivian grew up in a modest immigrant family. After college, she found herself working insane hours on Wall Street after college.
While working on Wall Street, Vivian saw some weird things.
Once, a coworker stumbled hungover into the office after a trip to Atlantic City, carrying a duffel bag with thousands of dollars in cash inside.
Vivian realized that there’s a group of high-income and high-net-worth people who handle money in drastically different ways than she learned in her frugal upbringing.
She learned about investing, taxes, legal loopholes. She discovered new ways of thinking about money.
She shares these insights — gleaned from her Wall Street days — in today’s podcast episode.

We're sharing this as part of GREATEST HITS WEEK, a 5-day series in which we're sharing 5 episodes, across 5 days, that originally aired at the start of 2024 (January through March). You may have missed it then; enjoy it now.
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Your Rich BFF, Vivian Tu: Wall Street's Dirty Little Secrets [GREATEST HITS WEEK]

Marie Curie won the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1903 and the Nobel Prize in Chemistry in 1911. She’s famous for her work in radioactivity. Lin-Manual Miranda is a songwriter, producer and director who won the Pulitzer Prize in Drama in 2016, as well as several Tony awards.
What do they have in common?
They lived a century apart. They innovated in disparate fields. But they shared a similar productivity practice.
Both achieved greatness by embracing the practice of slow productivity, says Georgetown computer science professor Cal Newport.
Slow productivity is a three-part practice, Newport explains: (1) do fewer things; (2) work at a natural pace; (3) obsess over quality.
We’re used to thinking of productivity as doing more in a short amount of time. This flips that idea on its head, focusing on doing less, but excelling.
Slow productivity is the practice of doing fewer tasks better.
In this episode, Newport explains how the practice of slow productivity diverges from the normal ways that people in modern society tend to work.
Life can be stressful. Your to-do list might feel never-ending. This episode can help you focus on the few things that matter most.
It can help you feel less stressed, less busy, and yet — paradoxically — more productive, at the same time.

We're sharing this as part of GREATEST HITS WEEK, a 5-day series in which we're sharing 5 episodes, across 5 days, that originally aired at the start of 2024 (January through March). You may have missed it then; enjoy it now.
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Dr. Cal Newport: A No-Pressure Plan for Next Year's Resolutions [GREATEST HITS WEEK]

#86: The real estate questions keep coming in, so today I’m answering questions from three Afford Anything listeners: Heather is ready to buy her first rental property. She wants to acquire about one house per year, following a buy-and-hold strategy. Salome and her husband are renting out an unused room in our house on Airbnb. We're interested in venturing into buying rental properties later. Then Caren talks about coming across several real estate investing clubs, or memberships, in which the organization pulls together a list of various contractors and property managers. What are Paula’s thoughts and experiences with these types of things? For a full list of show notes and resources, visit http://affordanything.com/episode86
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