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Warren Parad

Will Button

Join us in listening to the experienced experts discuss cutting edge challenges in the world of DevOps. From applying the mindset at your company, to career growth and leadership challenges within engineering teams, and avoiding the common antipatterns. Every episode you'll meet a new industry veteran guest with their own unique story.

Adventures in DevOps

In this episode, we sit down with Barzan Mozafari, MIT alum and University of Michigan professor, to explore how AI-driven automation is revolutionizing cloud database optimization. Barzan shares his experiences in bridging academia and industry, and how his work in AI-powered database tuning is reshaping cloud infrastructure efficiency.

We discuss the challenges of AI adoption in cloud computing, addressing concerns like implementation risks, security, and trust in autonomous agents. Barzan explains how machine learning models can optimize performance, reduce cloud costs, and automate database management, freeing engineers from tedious manual tuning.

Additionally, we explore the future of AI in database systems, the evolving landscape of public and private datasets, and what the next decade holds for data-driven automation. Whether you're a DevOps engineer or a database architect, this episode is packed with insights into the intersection of AI and cloud technology.

🎯 Picks:
 • Warren - 
L8 Conference 2024 (Warsaw) • Barzan - 
Book: Never Split the Difference by Chris Voss • Jillian - 
Infinity Nikki (Open-world dress-up game)

Optimizing Cloud Databases with novel algorithms

Will is absent this week due to an infrastructure issue, so Warren and Jillian take the reins in a fascinating discussion with Hikari Senju, founder of Omneky. Hikari shares how AI is revolutionizing ad technology by automatically generating creative assets tailored to different audiences and platforms. His insights reveal how businesses can scale their advertising while maintaining brand consistency and reducing content creation costs.

The conversation explores the balance between automation and human oversight, the ethical implications of AI-driven marketing, and how the ad personalization technology is evolving. Hikari also dives into the infrastructure behind Omneky, discussing cloud-based AI deployment, model selection, and strategies for ensuring ad content stays fresh and relevant. If you've ever wondered how AI is reshaping the future of advertising.

🎯 Picks:
 • Warren - 
Dune • Hikari - 
Accelerando • Jillian - 
Data Discovery with Dabble of DevOps AI

AI-Powered Ads: How digital marketing is transforming

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Elise, VP and Head of UX at Unleash, joins us to talk all about UX. Self identifying as probably "The annoying lady in the room" and a career spanning nearly 30 years—starting before "UX" was even a job title — joins us to dismantle the idea that User Experience is just about moving pixels around. Here we debate the friction between engineering, sales, and the customer. We get to the bottom of whether or avoiding end-user interaction, understand, and research is a career-limiting move for staff+ engineers. Or should you avoid forcing a world-class developer to facilitate a call with a non-technical user if it makes them uncomfortable?

Warren calls out the "Pit of Failure" often faced by teams as they seek to introduce feature flags. They can become a crutch, leading teams to push untested code into production simply because they can toggle it off—a scenario he calls the "pit of failure".

And Elise dives into a great story recounting her consulting days where a company spent a fortune on a branding agency that demanded conflicting "primary colors" for a mainframe application used 8 hours a day. Her low-tech solution to prove them wrong? Listen and find out, this episode is all about bringing UX to Engineering.
💡 Notable Links:
Ladder of Leadership - Book: Turn the Ship Around!🎯 Picks:
 • Warren - 
Growth.Design Case Studies • Elise - 
Paper on Generative UI: LLMs are Effective UI Generators

Are we building the right thing?

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Warren is joined by Olga Kundzich, Co-founder and CTO of Moderne, to discuss the reality of technical debt in modern software engineering. Olga reveals a shocking statistic: without maintenance, cloud-native applications often cease to function within just six months. And from our experience, that's actually optimistic. The rapid decay isn't always due to bad code choices, but rather the shifting sands of third-party dependencies, which make up 80 to 90% of cloud-native environments.

We review the limitations of traditional Abstract Syntax Trees (ASTs) and the introduction of OpenRewrite's Lossless Semantic Trees (LSTs). Unlike standard tools, LSTs preserve formatting and style, allowing for automated, horizontal scaling of code maintenance across millions of lines of code. This fits perfectly in to the toolchain that is the LLMs and open source ecosystem. Olga explains how this technology enables enterprises to migrate frameworks—like moving from Spring Boot 1 to 2 — without dedicating entire years to manual updates.

Finally, they explore the intersection of AI and code maintenance, noting that while LLMs are great at generating code, they often struggle with refactoring and optimizing existing codebases. We highlight that agents are not yet fully autonomous and will always require "right-sized" data to function effectively. Will is absent for this episode, leaving Warren to navigate the complexities of mass-scale code remediation solo.
💡 Notable Links:
DevOps Episode: We read codeDevOps Episode: Dynamic PRs from incidentsOpenRewriteLarger Context Windows are not better🎯 Picks:
 • Warren - 
Dell XPS 13 9380 • Olga - 
Claude Code

Why Your Code Dies in Six Months: Automated Refactoring

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In a special solo flight, Warren welcomes Meagan Cojocar, General Manager at Pulumi and a self-proclaimed graduate of “PM school” at AWS. They dive into what it's like to own an entire product line and why giving up that startup hustle for the big leagues sometimes means you miss the direct signal from your users. The conversation goes deep on the paradox of open-source where direct feedback is gold, but dealing with license-shifting competitors can make you wary. From the notorious HashiCorp kerfuffle to the rise of OpenTofu, they explore how Pulumi maintains its commitment to the community amidst a wave of customer distrust.

Meagan highlights the invaluable feedback loop provided by the community, allowing for direct interaction between users and the engineering team. This contrasts with the "telephone game" that can happen in proprietary product development. The conversation also addresses the recent industry shift and then immediate back-peddling from open-source licenses, discussing the subsequent customer distrust and how Pulumi maintains its commitment to the open-source model.

And finally, the duo tackles the elephant in the cloud: LLMs, and extends on the earlier MCP episode. They debate the great code quality vs. speed trade-off, the risk of a "botched" infrastructure deployment, and whether these models can solve anything more than a glorified statistical guessing game. It's a candid look at the future of DevOps, where the real chaos isn't the code, but the tools that write it. The conversation concludes with a philosophical debate on the fundamental capabilities of LLMs, questioning whether they can truly solve "hard problems" or are merely powerful statistical next-word predictors.
💡 Notable Links:
Veritasium - the Math that predicts everything • Fact - 
Don't outsource your customer support: Clorox sues CognizantCloudFlare uses an LLM to generate an OAuth2 Library🎯 Picks:
 • Warren - 
Rands Leadership Community • Meagan - 
The Manager's Path by Camille Fournier

The Open-Source Product Leader Challenge: Navigating Community, Code, and Collaboration Chaos

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Microsoft's John Papa, Partner General Manager of Developer Relations for all things dev and code joins the show to talk developer relations...from his Mac. He reveals his small part in the birth of VS Code (back when its codename was Ticino) after he spent a year trying a new editor every month.

The conversation dives deep into "Agentic AI," where John predicts developers will soon become "managers of agents". But is it all hype? John and Warren debate the risks of too much automation (no, AI should not auto-merge your PRs) and the terrifying story of a SaaS built with "zero handwritten code" that immediately got hacked because the founder was "not technical".

The episode highlights John's jaw-dropping war stories from Disney, including a mission-critical hotel lock system (for 5,000+ rooms) that was running on a single MS Access database under a desk. It's a perfect, cringeworthy lesson in why "we don't have time to test" is the most expensive phrase in tech, and why we need a human in the loop. John leaves us with the one question we must ask of all new AI features: "Who asked for that?"
💡 Notable Links:
Impact of AI on Critical Thinking paperLLMs raise the floor not the ceilingDevOps Episode: How far along with AI are we?🎯 Picks:
 • Warren - 
Shokz OpenFit 2 • John - 
Run Disney

AI, IDEs, Copilot & Critical Thinking

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In the wake of one of the worst AWS incidents in history, we're joined by Lawrence Jones, Founding Engineer at Incident.io. The conversation focuses on the challenges of managing incidents in highly regulated environments like FinTech, where the penalties for downtime are harsh and require a high level of rigor and discipline in the response process. Lawrence details the company's evolution, from running a monolithic Go binary on Heroku to moving to a more secure, robust setup in GCP, prioritizing the use of native security primitives like GCP Secret Manager and Kubernetes to meet the obligations of their growing customer base.

We spotlight exactly how a system can crawl GitHub pull requests, Slack channels, telemetry data, and past incident post-mortems to dynamically generate an ephemeral runbook for the current incident.Also discussed are the technical challenges of using RAG (Retrieval-Augmented Generation), noting that they rely heavily on pre-processing data with tags and a service catalog rather than relying solely on less consistent vector embeddings to ensure fast, accurate search results during a crisis.

Finally, Lawrence stresses that frontier models are no longer the limiting factor in building these complex systems; rather, success hinges on building structured, modular systems, and doing the hard work of defining objective metrics for improvement.
💡 Notable Links:
Cloud Secrets management at scaleEpisode: Solving Time Travel in RAG DatabasesEpisode: Does RAG Replace keyword search?🎯 Picks:
 • Warren - 
Anker Adpatable Wall-Charger - PowerPort Atom III • Lawrence - Rocktopus & 
The Checklist Manifesto

Solving incidents with one-time ephemeral runbooks

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We're joined by 20 year industry veteran and DevOps advocate, Adam Korga, celebrating the release of his book IT Dictionary. In this episode we quickly get down to the inspiration behind postmortems as we review some cornerstone cases both in software and in general technology.

Adam shares how he started in the industry, long before DevOps was a coined term, focused on making systems safer and avoiding mistakes like accidentally dropping a production database. we review the infamous incidents of accidental database deletion, by LLMs and human's alike.

And of course we touch on the quintessential postmortems in civil engineering, flight, and survivorship bias from World War II through analyzing bullet holes on returning planes.
💡 Notable Links:
 • Adam's book: 
IT DictionaryKnight Capital: the 45 minute nightmare • Work Chronicles Comic: 
Will my architecture work for 1 Million users?🎯 Picks:
 • Warren - 
Cuitisan CANDL storage containers • Adam - 
FUBAR

The IT Dictionary: Post-Mortems, Cargo Cults, and Dropped Databases

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Jenna Pederson, Staff Developer Relations at Pinecone, joins us to close the loop on Vector Databases. Demystifies how they power semantic search, their role in RAG, and also unexpected applications.

Jenna takes us beyond the buzzword bingo, explaining how vector databases are the secret sauce behind semantic search. Sharing just how "red shirt" gets converted into a query that returns things semantically similar. It's all about turning your data into high-dimensional numerical meaning, which, as Jenna clarifies, is powered by some seriously clever math to find those "closest neighbors."

The conversation inevitably veers into Retrieval-Augmented Generation (RAG). Jenna reveals how databases are the unsung heroes giving LLMs real brains (and up-to-date info) when they're prone to hallucinating or just don't know your company's secrets. They complete the connection from proprietary and generalist foundational models to business relevant answers.
💡 Notable Links:
Episode: MCP: The Model Context Protocol and Agent InteractionsCrossing the Chasm🎯 Picks:
 • Warren - 
HanCenDa USB C Magnetic adapter • Jenna - 
Keychron Alice Layout Mechanical keyboard • (And get a 
5% discount • on us)

Vector Databases Explained: From E-commerce Search to Molecule Research

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This episode we are joined by Andrew Moreland, co-founder of Chalk. Andrew explains how their company's core business model is to deploy their software directly into their customers' cloud environments. This decision was driven by the need to handle highly sensitive data, like PII and financial records, that customers don't want to hand over to a third-party startup. 

The conversation delves into the surprising and complex challenges of this approach, which include managing granular IAM permissions and dealing with hidden global policies that can block their application. Andrew and Warren also discuss the real-world network congestion issues that affect cross-cloud traffic, a problem they've encountered multiple times. Andrew shares Chalk's mature philosophy on software releases, where they prioritize backwards compatibility to prevent customer churn, which is a key learning from a competitor.

Finally, the episode explores the advanced technical solutions Chalk has built, such as their unique approach to "bitemporal modeling" to prevent training bias in machine learning datasets. As well as, the decision to move from Python to C++ and Rust for performance, using a symbolic interpreter to execute customer code written in Python without a Python runtime. The episode concludes with picks, including a surprisingly popular hobby and a unique take on high-quality chocolate.
💡 Notable Links:
 • Fact - 
The $1M hidden Kubernetes spendGiraffe and Medical Ruler training data biasSOLID principles don't produce better code?Veritasium - The Hole at the Bottom of MathEpisode: Auth Showdown on backwards compatible changes🎯 Picks:
 • Warren - 
Switzerland Grocery Store Chocolate • Andrew - 
Trek E-Bikes

The Unspoken Challenges of Deploying to Customer Clouds

In a lot of ways, DevOps folks are essentially Developers. They encode infrastructure and processes often using code. This episode with Will Button dives into how Developers can jump into DevOps by learning the ropes of what they're coding against and the problem sets solved by DevOps. This show also goes into how to communicate and collaborate between development and DevOps.Panel • Caleb Fornari
 • Charles Max Wood
 • Jeffrey Groman
Guest • Will Button

DevOps for Developers with Will Button - DevOps 067

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