[The UFO Rabbit Hole] An Interview with Michael Masters: The Extratempestrial Model & The Future Human Past

Today, we’re circling back to an idea that we visited in one of the earliest episodes of the podcast—the extratempestrial model. Sometimes also referred to as the future human hypothesis, the extratempestrial model is the idea that the UFOs phenomenon might represent advanced humans and human descendents who are traveling here from another point in time.

I’ll admit to struggling with this idea at first. Time travel has always seemed a little too clunky and a little too hokey to be taken seriously. But as so often happens on this trip down the rabbit hole, the more I learned and the more my perspective began to swell and shift to accommodate the strange new realities I was exploring, the more what once seemed like a kind of crazy idea to me suddenly started to make a heck of a lot of sense. And I found that many of my objections had more to do with the limitations of my knowledge than the limitations of the extratempestrial model.

So I wanted to come back around to this idea, because there is a lot there to dig into, most of which didn’t make it into the initial episode. And there are some new and updated ideas that I think are really valuable in understanding the complexities of the phenomenon. And there’s no better way to take a deep dive into this topic than with one of the people who literally wrote the book on the extratempestrial model—Dr. Michael P. Masters.

Micahel Masters is a professor of biological anthropology at Montana Technological University. He specializes in human evolution, osteology, and anatomical sciences. Dr. Master’s work related to the phenomenon explores the potential evolutionary trajectories of humankind, linking anthropological theory to hypotheses about extraterrestrial life. He is the author of several books on the topic including Identified Flying Objects: A Multidisciplinary Scientific Approach to the UFO Phenomenon, The Extratempestrial Model, and his latest, a satirical science fiction novel called, Revelation: The Future Human Past.

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TIMESTAMPS 00:30 - Introduction 07:20 - What Is The Extratempestrial Model? 09:50 - The Extratempestrial Model & The Interdimensional Hypothesis 11:29 - The Social & Biological Trends That Hint At The Extratempestrial Model 16:32 - Technology & The “Other” 20:48 - Technological Variability In Humans 21:02 - The Communication Problem 25:38 - How Technology Is Shaped By Biology 28:52 - Exotic Bipedal Beings 32:17 - Could Humanoid Beings Be The Result of Biomimicry? 37:08 - Are UFOs Time Machines? 43:50 - The Nimitz Incident 47:18 - Rethinking The Impossible 49:57 - The Block Universe 59:02 - Revelation: The Future Human Past

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