Matcha, coffee and green tea: which is healthiest? with Prof. Tim Spector and Chef Andrew Kojima

Is matcha the ultimate coffee alternative, or just another wellness fad? In this episode, Andrew Kojima - aka Chef Koj - an expert in Japanese cuisine, and Professor Tim Spector, a world-leading scientist in nutrition and gut health, explore whether matcha is truly a healthier choice than coffee.

Chef Koj explains the rich history behind matcha, its role in Japanese culture, and why it has become a global wellness trend. Tim breaks down the latest science on matcha’s impact on metabolism, brain function, and gut health, comparing its effects to those of coffee.

For listeners curious about incorporating matcha into their daily routine, this episode includes a practical guide on how to prepare matcha properly. Koj demonstrates the traditional method of whisking matcha and shares tips on avoiding common mistakes. For those new to matcha, he also explains how to make a simple and delicious matcha latte for beginners.

The episode concludes with a tasting of Koj’s matcha custard dessert, showing how matcha’s umami-rich flavor can be used in unexpected ways. Could matcha actually help curb sugar cravings and build a taste for more complex flavors?

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Timecodes 00:00 Healthier than coffee? 02:15 Listener questions 03:17 What is matcha? 05:59 The same as green tea? 09:33 History of matcha 10:20 Industry marketing tricks 11:55 Why the west loves coffee 12:55 Does matcha make you alert? 14:42 How caffeine levels differ 16:53 Does matcha contain fiber? 21:37 Health benefits of matcha 25:10 Truth about iced matcha latte 28:59 Perfect matcha demonstration 41:55 Flavour profile of matcha 43:53 How to add matcha to food 44:35 Matcha dessert ideas 46:45 Expensive vs cheap matcha 47:33 Should you add milk?

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🍵 Chef Koj's perfect matcha kit: Bamboo Matcha Whisk & Scoop Organic Japanese Matcha Green Tea Powder Matcha Bowl

Studies referenced for today's episode Effect of in vitro digestion-fermentation on green and roasted coffee bioactivity: The role of the gut microbiota, 2019, Food Chemistry Matcha Green Tea: Chemical Composition, Phenolic Acids, Caffeine and Fatty Acid Profile, 2024, Foods Anti-Stress, Behavioural and Magnetoencephalography Effects of an l-Theanine-Based Nutrient Drink: A Randomised, Double-Blind, Placebo-Controlled, Crossover Trial, 2016, Nutrients

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