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Working Class Audio

Peel back the glamour of the professional recording world. Guests from the world of audio for music, film, games, restoration, and more share their insights on how they made their journey, how they survive, their advice on the real things including wins, losses, working with other people, money, and career advice. 
Hosted by audio engineer Matt Boudreau.
The Working Class Audio Podcast - Navigating the World of Recording with a working class perspective.

My guest is the return of Grammy Nominated producer/engineer Ryan Ulyate, who has worked with Tom Petty, George Harrison, Traveling Wilburys, Mick Fleetwood & Friends, and ELO. Ryan has jumped through the "Imaginary Glass Window" to create a solo record, which we discuss in this episode. 

In this episode, we discuss

The Tom Petty Catalog 

Making a Solo Record

Planning for ATMOS

Taking on a Different Role

The Imaginary Glass Window

Difficulty in Writing Lyrics

California Song

Putting Things Together

Mastering with Romanowski

The ATMOS Mercedes

1973 Instrumentation

Recording Steve Ferrone

Getting Nominated for a Grammy

ATMOS Downloads

Lessons for Audio Pros Who Write

Blu-Ray

The Japanese Market

Being Aware of Audio Trends

Creature of Habit

Matt's Rant: Staying Calm, Staying Humble

Links and Show Notes

Ryan on WCA #378

Michael Romanowski on WCA #309

Ryan's Record on Immersive Audio Album

Ryan's Record on Apple Music

Ryan's Site

Advice from De Niro

Credits

Guest: Ryan Ulyate

Host: Matt Boudreau

Engineer: Matt Boudreau

Producer: Matt Boudreau

Editing: Anne-Marie Pleau 

WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell 

Announcer: Chuck Smith

WCA #469 with Ryan Ulyate - Doing a Solo Record, Taking on a Different Role, Planning for ATMOS, The Tom Petty Catalog, and The Imaginary Glass Window

In this episode of Working Class Audio, Matt welcomes back mastering engineer Maor Appelbaum (originally on WCA #062)to discuss his career, his approach to mastering across genres, and how he adapts to new technology. Maor has worked on projects for artists such as Faith No More, Yes, and Meat Loaf.
In This Episode, We Discuss:

Genre-specific mastering approaches

Creating and collaborating on new analog hardware

Strategies for effective client communication

Building and maintaining long-term professional relationships

The value of being part of a collaborative team in the audio process

Links and Show Notes:

Maor Appelbaum Mastering

WCA #062 with Maor Appelbaum

Matt's Rant: The Value of Independent Clients

Credits:

Guest: Maor Appelbaum

Host/Engineer/Producer: Matt Boudreau

Editing: Anne-Marie Pleau

WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell

The Voice: Chuck Smith

WCA #521 with Maor Appelbaum – Genre-Specific Mastering, Creating Analog Hardware, Building Client Relationships, and Being Part of the Team

In this episode of Working Class Audio, Matt welcomes Producer/Engineer Ed Donnelly, who has worked with Willie Nelson, Zac Brown, Old 97s, Son Volt, Del McCoury, Nathan Jacques, Lorin Hart, Cole Gallagher, The Lonesome Captain, Trent Summar & The New Row Mob
In This Episode, We Discuss:

Musical Journey and Career

Live Event Recording Journey

Journey From Performer to Producer

Independent Artist Budget Challenges

Managing Budgets in Independent Bands

Music Industry Evolution and Strategy

Inspiration and Approaches in Work

Independent Artists and Audio Professionals

Immersive Audio Formats and Music

Links and Show Notes:
Ed's Studio
Matt's Rant: Revisiting Community

Credits:

Guest: Ed Donnelly

Host/Engineer/Producer: Matt Boudreau

Editing: Anne-Marie Pleau

WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell

The Voice: Chuck Smith

WCA #522 with Ed Donnelly – Independent Mindset, Live Recording, Indie Bands, Immersive Audio and Inspiration

In this episode of Working Class Audio, Matt welcomes monitor engineer Lizzie Westsmith who has worked for numerous bands and sound companies including Rancid, Ice Spice, Rat Sound and Coachella. Lizzie shares her journey from discovering her love for audio at Berkeley's iconic Gilman Street to navigating the challenges of the live production industry.
In This Episode, We Discuss:

Role of a Monitor Engineer

Maintaining Personal Balance

924 Gilman Influence

Addiction and Recovery

Rate Transparency

Touring Life Balance

Systems Engineering Goals

Financial Management Strategies

Community and Respect

Links and Show Notes:
Lizzie on Instagram
Matt's Rant: Parlay, Pivot and Change Course
Credits:

Guest: Lizzie Westsmith

Host/Engineer/Producer: Matt Boudreau

Editing: Anne-Marie Pleau

WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell

The Voice: Chuck Smith

WCA #523 with Lizzie Westsmith – Role of a Monitor Engineer, Touring Life Balance, Community, and 924 Gilman Influence

In this episode of Working Class Audio, Matt welcomes back Grammy Winning mastering engineer, Michael Romanowski. Michael’s extensive credits include Alicia Keys, Bonnie Raitt, Lyle, Lovett, Earth Wind & Fire, Kane Brown, and the Grateful Dead.
In This Episode, We Discuss:

Studio Acoustics

Immersive Audio Advocacy

Future Of Immersive Audio

Value Of Community Collaboration

Critical Listening Skills

Balancing Artistic Vision With Label Demands

Bass Management Challenges In Immersive Audio

Consumer Perceptions Of Immersive Audio

Role Of VR And AR In Audio Localization

The Dangers of Comparison

Links and Show Notes:

Michael's Studio

Michael on WCA #309

Matt's Rant: Year End Review
Credits:

Guest: Michael Romanowski

Host/Engineer/Producer: Matt Boudreau

Editing: Anne-Marie Pleau

WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell

The Voice: Chuck Smith

WCA #524 with Michael Romanowski – Immersive Audio, Critical Listening, Value Of Community, and The Dangers of Comparison

In this episode of Working Class Audio, Matt welcomes back the Pellicci Brothers, Jay and Ian, who appeared originally on WCA #054. They have worked with Deerhoof, John Vanderslice, Sleater-Kinney, and the Magnetic Fields.They currently run Brothers (Chinese) Recording in the Bay Area.
In This Episode, We Discuss:

Challenges in Naming

Unintentional Uniformity

Studio History

Literal Creativity

Creative Decision Making

Not Planning

Studio Projects

Burlap

Links and Show Notes:

Brothers (Chinese) Recording

WCA #057 with The Pellicci Brothers

Matt's Rant: Identity
Credits:

Guest: The Pellicci Brothers

Host/Engineer/Producer: Matt Boudreau

WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell

The Voice: Chuck Smith

WCA #525 with The Pellicci Brothers – Shared Commitment, Creative Collaboration, Cultural Influence, Literal Creativity, and Burlap

In this episode of Working Class Audio, Matt welcomes mastering engineer Adam Haggar who has worked with Migos, Belinda Carlisle, and The Antlers.
In This Episode, We Discuss:

Adam's Journey In The Audio Industry

Different Cities, Studios, And Roles Within The Music Industry

His Approach To Mastering And Building His Business

The Importance Of Networking

Challenges Of Maintaining High Standards In A Competitive Industry

Value Of Staying Connected To One's Passion For Music

Links and Show Notes:
Adam s Site
Matt's Rant: Los Angeles
Credits:

Guest: Adam Haggar

Host/Engineer/Producer/Editor: Matt Boudreau

WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell

The Voice: Chuck Smith

WCA #526 with Adam Haggar – Los Angeles Life, New Jersey Living, The Importance Of Networking, Maintaining High Standards, and a Passion For Music

In this episode of Working Class Audio, Matt welcomes Engineer / Producer Owen Davies who has worked with Broken Teeth, Survival, Fangs Out, Netherhall, Yo Titan, and Brookhorse.
In This Episode, We Discuss:

Building THE Home Studio

Working with a Studio Designer

Navigating Studio Design Challenges

Lessons from Early Studios

Tap Dancing and Legal Battles

Freelancing and Passion Projects

Links and Show Notes:
Owen's Studio
Matt's Rant: Things You Should Charge For (In My Opinion)
Credits:

Guest: Owen Davies

Host/Engineer/Editor/Producer: Matt Boudreau

WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell

The Voice: Chuck Smith

WCA #527 with Owen Davies – Studio Design, Recording Everything, Tap Dancing, and Building THE Home Studio

In this episode of Working Class Audio, Matt is joined by Chris Selim from Mixdown Online ‪and Lij Shaw from Recording Studio Rockstars to discuss our NAMM 2025 experience.
In This Episode, We Discuss:

Wearing Good Shoes

Drinking Water

Community

Gear We Saw

Companies We Like

Seminars at NAMM

Podcaster and YouTuber Things

Links and Show Notes:

https://gracedesign.com/

https://gracedesign.com/product/m900-...

https://www.audio-scape.com/

https://korneffaudio.com/plugins/

https://www.soundtoys.com/

https://microkits.net/

https://www.musikhack.com/

https://blinq.me/

Matt's Rant: Connecting With People At NAMM
Credits:

Guest: NAMM 2025

Host/Engineer/Editor/Producer: Matt Boudreau

WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell

The Voice: Chuck Smith

WCA #528 with NAMM 2025 – Community, Gear We Saw, Companies We Like, Seminars, Good Shoes, and Drinking Water

In this episode of Working Class Audio, Matt welcomes Mixing Engineer David Stagl who has worked on projects for or with North Point Community Church, Christ Fellowship(West Palm Beach, FL), Eagle Brook Church (Minneapolis, MN), musical artists: Kristian Stanfill, Jesus Culture, Passion, Phil Keaggy, North Point Music and in broadcast: Discovery Channel, HGTV. Corporate: Home Depot, Wyndham Vacations, and Motorola.
In This Episode, We Discuss:

Post Production

Broadcast

Audio Books

Worship Sound

Dolby ATMOS

Live Sound Mistakes

Audio Professionals in Religious Settings

Immersive Audio for Churches

Worship Audio Challenges and Solutions

North Point Church

Links and Show Notes:
David's Site
Matt's Rant: Humility in Audio
Credits:

Guest: David Stagl

Host/Engineer/Editor/Producer: Matt Boudreau

WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell

The Voice: Chuck Smith

WCA #529 with David Stagl – Worship Sound, Broadcast, Bruce Springsteen, Live Sound Mistakes, and Feedback City

My guest is Mat Leffler-Schulman, a mastering engineer based out of Baltimore, Maryland, who has worked with Jon Batiste, will.i.am, Blondie, Gipsy Kings, The National Symphony Orchestra, and Ice Cube.

In this episode, we discuss

Flooded Basements

DC Suburbs

Running a Studio

Spousal Business Partner

MTSU

Handling Money

Business Entities

Errors and Omissions

Row House Studio

Moving Overseas

The Finances of Remote Work

Moving to Mastering

The Bartender Analogy

Analog Mastering

Working from Home

Word of Mouth

Oblique Strategies

Mastering Process

Rates

Likes and Dislikes of Pro Audio

Work/Life Balance

Matt's Rant: Holding the Line
Links and Show Notes

Mat's Site

Oblique Strategies

Credits

Guest: Mat Leffler-Schulman

Host: Matt Boudreau

Engineer: Matt Boudreau

Producer: Matt Boudreau

Editing: Anne-Marie Pleau 

WCA Theme Music: Cliff Truesdell 

Announcer: Chuck Smith

WCA #422 with Mat Leffler-Schulman - The Bartender Analogy, Handling Money, Flooded Basements, Analog Mastering, and Oblique Strategies

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