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Unholy Media

Yonit Levi of Israel's Channel 12 News and Jonathan Freedland of The Guardian are two of the most prominent journalists in the world today. They are also Jews. Each week, join what MSNBC's Rachel Maddow calls "two great, smart smart smart hosts" as they dissect and debate current events shaping Israel, Jewish life - and the wider world.
Their blend of nuanced discussion and sparkling conversation, featuring a dazzling range of guests, is why New Yorker editor David Remnick calls himself a “proud, avid listener," why Ira Glass says he "completely enjoys this show" and why Malcolm Gladwell calls it an "incredibly fun podcast".
For a weekly fix of globally informed talk – including nominations for the greatest act of chutzpah and outstanding mensch of the previous seven days – there’s only one destination. Make every Friday morning Unholy. 
Contact us via: unholy@unholy-media.com

Unholy: Two Jews on the News

A thousand days after October 7th — and Benjamin Netanyahu wants to talk about unity. This week, as Israel edges closer toward elections, Yonit and Jonathan discuss a prime minister campaigning on togetherness after- say his critics- a long career spent dividing Israelis against each other, and trace the strange alliance between Israel's nationalist right and the ultra-Orthodox parties who for the most part reject Zionism on principle.

 

Zohran Mamdani keeps doubling down on Israel and AIPAC, six months into his mayoralty — and sees no reason to slow down. And as America turns 250, Jonathan asks an uncomfortable question about what happens to a constitution when the people meant to enforce it simply don't.

 

Plus: our Chutzpah award goes to a finance minister taking credit for something he objected to while our Mensch of the week pulls off an unexpected feat of German diplomacy - and language.

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1,000 Days, Election Maneuvers & America at 250

A wave of antisemitic terror swept across Western Europe this spring — and one man appears to have been behind it all. This week, Yonit and Jonathan hear the full, remarkable story as they sit down with Jason Burke, The Guardian's international security correspondent and terrorism expert. He describes how a single Iraqi-Iranian dual national is accused of leveraging both social media and teenage criminals to orchestrate what looked like a series of scattered attacks but was, in fact, a coordinated proxy campaign. And they discuss the broader questions: has the long arm of Iranian terror been constrained at all by US-Israeli military action? Did October 7th represent a strategic break from Iran's usual playbook — or was it a tactical aberration? And as the 50th anniversary of the raid on Entebbe approaches, was that operation a turning point in the long history of global terrorism - and what can be done now to beat back the menace of terror?

 

00:00 Introduction to Jason Burke and His Work

02:23 Profile of Mohammed Bakr Saad, Al-Sadi

05:13 Al-Sadi's Operations and Recruitment Methods

07:50 The Arrest of Al-Sadi and His Plans in the US

12:42 Impact of Al-Sadi's Arrest on Terror Operations

15:26 October 7th: An Evolution or Aberration in Terrorism?

19:06 The Role of Qatar in Terror Financing

22:55 Countering Terrorism: Challenges and Strategies

26:05 The Significance of the Entebbe Raid

30:03 Convergence of Leftist and Islamist Terrorism

33:01 The Evolution of Terrorism and Its Future

 

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Jason Burke on Iran, Entebbe - and how to fight global terror

The new reality of Washington’s relationship with Israel is slowly sinking in — and it’s not pretty. As JD Vance grows visibly chummier with Qatar and Pakistan than with Israeli officials, Yonit and Jonathan discuss the likely impact of the shift and whether Israel’s old assumption — that an American president will always have its back — has to be discarded for good. Then: as the Mamdani effect ripples through New York’s primaries, sweeping in a slate of politicians sharply critical of Israel, the two debate who’s really to blame.

 

Plus: Keir Starmer’s resignation and likely successor, two former Israeli PMs along with a veritable platoon of former and current IDF commanders denounce settler violence in the West Bank - and a Jewish American comic genius reaches a milestone.

 

00:00 The World Cup and Jewish Connections

04:25 Israel's Changing Geopolitical Landscape

16:02 Shifts in American Politics and Israel's Position

24:04 The Nuances of Anti-Semitism and Political Shifts

29:13 Israeli Politics: Elections and Controversies

35:47 The Resignation of Keir Starmer and Its Implications

43:23 Celebrating Mel Brooks: A Comedy Legend

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Reality bites: Trump, Bibi and the Mamdani Effect

Israel just learned that the US and Iran have agreed to a deconfliction cell with Lebanon — and Israel wasn't in the room. As the dust settles on a war whose outcome is, at best, ambiguous, Yonit and Jonathan sit down with former Prime Minister Naftali Bennett, who wants his old job back.

Bennett doesn't hold back: on why he believes this government dragged out a war Israel was never built to fight, on the "infinite power of propaganda" keeping Netanyahu afloat three years after October 7th, and on whether he can trust Trump — or JD Vance — to look out for Israel's interests when Israel isn't at the table. He also lays out, in detail, what he'd do differently on the Haredi draft, the judiciary, the Palestinians, and Ben Gvir and Smotrich — and admits the polls aren't moving the way he hoped.

 

00:00 Introduction: Naftali Bennett joins Unholy

 00:09 The Iran deal and the deconfliction cell with Lebanon

 03:18 Would he have avoided this war altogether?

 06:29 Did Netanyahu prolong the war for political reasons?

 08:05 Trust in Trump and JD Vance on Iran

 13:11 Reports the Trump administration is opening channels to him

 15:19 What would actually change if Bennett became PM?

 17:39 The Kogat story: improving Palestinian quality of life without a state

 21:51 Pushback: is a two-state "spectrum" really viable?

 24:06 Why he opposes full Palestinian sovereignty

 24:39 Mansour Abbas and Arab parties in a Bennett coalition

 26:52 Lapid, the polls, and stepping aside for Eisenkot

 29:34 Judicial reform: would he continue where this government left off?

 31:26 Why Ben Gvir and Smotrich are out

 33:51 Fears of a "January 6th" scenario in Israel

 36:16 Was joining forces with Lapid a mistake?

 39:21 Did Bennett change, or did Israel change?

 42:05 The story that brought him back: a scientist in tears

 44:43 How is Netanyahu still in this race?

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Naftali Bennett

As the U.S.-Iran Memorandum of Understanding is signed in Versailles — covering a ceasefire, sanctions relief, and billions in unfrozen assets, but saying nothing about uranium enrichment, centrifuges, ballistic missiles, or Iran's proxies — Israel is left reading a deal it wasn't part of and only received hours before Trump's signature. Yonit is joined this week by CNN senior global affairs analyst and Unholy co-author Bianna Golodryga, live from a New York celebrating the Knicks' first championship in 53 years, for a conversation about what this MOU actually says, what it doesn't, and what it means for a country that spent 40 days in shelters waiting for something better than this.

Plus: a Cornell sophomore makes headlines for the wrong reasons, and a design school in Israel sends wounded soldiers down a runway.

 

02:09 Responses to the MOU in Israel and the U.S.

 06:59 Concerns from Israel Regarding the MOU

 11:20 Netanyahu's Position and Reactions

 17:24 Implications for U.S.-Israel Relations and Regional Dynamics

 24:42 The Political Landscape of the Iran Deal

 27:08 Consequences of the Ceasefire and Future Implications

 28:56 Comparing Past and Present Iran Agreements

 31:03 Economic Reactions and Military Posturing

 32:49 The Changing Dynamics of U.S.-Israel Relations

 35:28 Chutzpah: Cornell Sophomore Austin Franco

 37:30 Mensch: Shenkar College Designs for Wounded Soldiers

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E-Signed, Sealed, Delivered

This week’s Unholy conversations is a rare interview with Nir Bar Dea, CEO of Bridgewater—the world's largest hedge fund. Bar Dea moves beyond market trends, framing our current moment as a volatile collision between a changing world order, and an unprecedented technological revolution fueled by AI. He offers a sobering perspective on why the comfort of the last several decades has perhaps left us less resilient than the generations before us, urging listeners to view history not as destiny, but as a lesson in the necessity of strength during turbulent times.

The conversation turns personal, too: Bar Dea talks about the toll of his own service in the Israeli Air Force, what it's like being Israeli in New York since October 7th, and why he believes Israel's younger generation might be its greatest asset.

00:00 Intro

01:10 The Iran-US deal and why timing doesn't matter

06:25 Trump as outcome, not cause

09:30 Tough love: why we feel overwhelmed

10:59 Israel's resilient next generation

24:49 The AI infrastructure race — and Israel's gap

27:11 Being Israeli in New York since October 7th

32:54 The hidden cost of IDF service

35:02 Bridgewater's radical transparency culture

41:51 Rebuilding from Nir Oz — a story of hope

 

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Nir Bar Dea on the New World Order, AI, and Israel's Risks

Yonit is joined by Yaakov Katz, author, columnist and former editor of the Jerusalem Post, and together they try to make sense of a week that had it all: a 17-hour mini-war with Iran, Trump growing visibly impatient -- and Netanyahu caught between his base and the White House. Israeli politics see the Israeli PM focusing on the rising political threat of Gadi Eisenkot, who for the first time has pulled ahead of Netanyahu in head-to-head polling for Prime minister -- and how the Likud is trying to turn his English skills into a liability. Then it's across the Atlantic — to an oyster farmer in Maine with a Nazi tattoo, a Michigan primary, and a New Jersey candidate with troubling ties, all pointing to a shift in American politics that Israelis aren't paying nearly enough attention to. Plus: our Chutzpah and Mensch awards — one goes to a Jewish politician building a very disturbing database, and the other heads to the World Cup.

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Bibi’s Tightrope, Eisenkot’s Rise, Iran’s Shadow, and the U.S. Primary Wars

Israeli children are still running to shelters. The hostages are home, but the wars keep coming. And somewhere underneath it all — the October 7th trauma, the Iran strikes, the hostages, the endless sirens — something is being passed down to the next generation, whether we mean to or not.

This week, Yonit sits down with Dr. Galit Atlas, psychoanalyst and author of Emotional Inheritance, to ask the questions most of us are afraid to answer: what does prolonged, unprocessed national trauma do to a people? How do Jewish rituals of memory — Passover, Holocaust Remembrance Day — help or harm? And is there actually hope on the other side of all this?

Dr. Atlas's new book, Come Closer: Childhood Wounds, Adult Love and the Secrets of Emotional Intimacy, is out in September.

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Dr. Galit Atlas on Trauma and Emotional Inheritance

Iran broke a two-month ceasefire on Sunday night, launching missiles at Israel after Netanyahu struck Hezbollah headquarters in Beirut. By Monday, Trump declared an immediate stop — but the questions it raised won't close that easily.

In this emergency update, Yonit and Jonathan are joined by Amos Harel — Haaretz's military affairs analyst and author of 629: Anatomy of a Failure — to break down the calculus on every side. Did Netanyahu engineer the escalation ahead of October elections? Is Trump more irritated by Israel than by Iran? And after everything — is Iran actually stronger now than before the war started?

⏱ CHAPTERS:

[00:00] Intro — The 24 hours that shook the region

[00:15] Yonit breaks down what happened: sirens, missiles, school closures

[03:45] Amos Harel joins: Is the escalation cycle behind us?

[05:17] Did Netanyahu plan the Beirut strike — knowing Iran would respond?

[08:06] The thought experiment: Would this happen with different leaders?

[11:27] Netanyahu's bind: angering his base or angering Trump

[13:20] Iran's nuclear endgame — a historian's warning

[17:30] Trump's frustration: Is Israel now the obstacle?

[21:57] The chief of staff trolled Netanyahu live

[25:12] Can Netanyahu actually delay the October elections?

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Special Update - Iran and Israel Clash, Trump says 'Stop'

The fragile ceasefire agreement between Israel and the Lebanese government is overshadowed by an already notorious phone call where Donald Trump reportedly dropped multiple F-bombs on Benjamin Netanyahu for threatening Israeli strikes on Beirut. Yonit and Jonathan dissect the increasing strain in the US-Israel relationship - and a new equation set by Iran that will alarm all Israelis.

Meanwhile, two warning signs this week for the state of Israeli democracy, as Netanyahu appoints his personal lawyer as State Comptroller, with members of the Knesset pressured to reveal their secret ballot - and a mob vandalizes the home of a Supreme Court justice in a bid to intimidate the judiciary over demands to exempt the ultra-Orthodox from mandatory military service.

Also - an inquiry into antisemitism in UK’s cherished NHS, while Canada’s PM admits the country failed its Jews, prompting a new advisory council with a questionable membership. And finally (and thankfully), it’s a crowded field for our mensch of the week award.

 

00:00 Introduction and Overview of Current Events

02:47 The Impact of Smartphones on Society

05:38 Ceasefire Agreements and Regional Tensions

09:22 US-Israel Relations and Political Dynamics

13:13 Political Appointments and Democratic Erosion in Israel

18:50 Judicial Intimidation and the Rule of Law

23:02 Global Anti-Semitism and Responses

29:35 Celebrating Women in Film: Helen Mirren and Emma Thompson

35:17 A Culinary Milestone: Mutra's Michelin Star

 

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Bombs and F-bombs: Trump, Netanyahu and ceasefire talks

Breaking news out of the Middle East: Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah has been killed in Beirut. We’re joined by Shimrit Meir, a top expert on Nasrallah and the Arab world, and former senior diplomatic advisor to Naftali Bennett, to give her expert analysis on this major development.
 
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